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Mumofteenandtween · 10/09/2025 20:40

DonaldTrumpsTwitterFeed · 10/09/2025 20:34

It’s that the maths they provided wasn’t mathing and if they can’t even get basic maths, that I would expect my ten year old to get right, correct it’s hard to trust anything else.

It’s nothing about ‘gotcha.’

It’s pointing out if you want people’s attention, getting basic facts wrong (either way - higher or lower) in your headline is pretty damn incompetent.

But the headline said “more than”. It is indeed “more than”. The maths is perfectly mathsing. And I am a sodding mathematician. I spend my life moaning about people getting the maths wrong. This is tragically right.

Gansy · 10/09/2025 20:40

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/09/the-gaza-family-torn-apart-by-idf-snipers-from-chicago-and-munich

“Daniel Raab shows no hesitation as he watches footage of 19-year-old Salem Doghmosh crumpling to the ground beside his brother in a street in northern Gaza.
"That was my first elimination," he says. The video, shot by a drone, lasts just a few seconds. The Palestinian teenager appears to be unarmed when he is shot in the head.
Raab, a former varsity basketball player from a Chicago suburb who became an Israeli sniper, concedes he knew that. He says he shot Salem simply because he tried to retrieve the body of his beloved older brother Mohammed.
"It's hard for me to understand why he [did that] and it also doesn't really interest me," Raab says in a video interview posted on X. "I mean, what was so important about that corpse?"

Where you you even start.

The Gaza family torn apart by IDF snipers from Chicago and Munich

Five-month investigation reveals how four members of one family were shot and killed in a single day and highlights a pattern in which Israeli troops target unarmed civilians

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/09/the-gaza-family-torn-apart-by-idf-snipers-from-chicago-and-munich

Hazelforever · 10/09/2025 20:41

Wow. Are people actually arguing over how many children have been killed and by who? And which ones matter more?! Even if it was one child that died it's too many. None of this should be happening at all.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 10/09/2025 20:42

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 20:37

Probably my Vanish stain quip. When gimmicks are used to garner sympathy, I tend to reply in kind.

20,000 dead children isn’t a gimmick.

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Martymcfly24 · 10/09/2025 20:42

User37482 · 10/09/2025 20:39

I think it doesn’t do any good to make stuff up. The truth is awful enough, every childs death is a tragedy, whether they are Palestinian or Israeli.

But I wouldn’t believe an organisation which put out so a blatant lie.

What's the lie?

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 20:43

Hazelforever · 10/09/2025 20:41

Wow. Are people actually arguing over how many children have been killed and by who? And which ones matter more?! Even if it was one child that died it's too many. None of this should be happening at all.

The number of murders on 7/10 is frequently compared to the last two years. Why is it different now?

Mumofteenandtween · 10/09/2025 20:43

Didntask · 10/09/2025 20:30

Anyone care to respond to this? Or do Jewish children not matter?

It is incredibly sad that 38 children died.

But by the weekend there will be another 38 children killed by Israeli forces. And by this time next week another 38. And then another. And then another.

And each of those sets of 38 children matter equally.

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 20:43

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 10/09/2025 20:42

20,000 dead children isn’t a gimmick.

No, but the broadcasting is.

DonaldTrumpsTwitterFeed · 10/09/2025 20:43

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 10/09/2025 20:44

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 20:43

No, but the broadcasting is.

How so?

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Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 20:45

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 10/09/2025 20:44

How so?

Is it only children who have been caught in the crossfire?

Didntask · 10/09/2025 20:46

Hazelforever · 10/09/2025 20:41

Wow. Are people actually arguing over how many children have been killed and by who? And which ones matter more?! Even if it was one child that died it's too many. None of this should be happening at all.

Couldn't agree more. It's just the lack of responsibility/fingers in the ears about why this particular conflict started and who can end it that winds me up. That, alongside the fact that other Muslim;Muslim wars that have been going on for years NEVER seems to get most people in the feels quite like a war where Jews can possibly be blamed. Hmm

Didntask · 10/09/2025 20:46

Mumofteenandtween · 10/09/2025 20:43

It is incredibly sad that 38 children died.

But by the weekend there will be another 38 children killed by Israeli forces. And by this time next week another 38. And then another. And then another.

And each of those sets of 38 children matter equally.

And what could be done to stop it?

Mumofteenandtween · 10/09/2025 20:48

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As I mentioned once or twice before it says “more than”. 20k is more than 16.7k.

My mathematical skills have dulled greatly due to middle age but I am pretty sure of that.

Martymcfly24 · 10/09/2025 20:49

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Did you read the article or just get your calculator out for a gotcha

At least one Palestinian child has been killed every hour on average by Israeli forces in Gaza over nearly 23 months of war, with the number of children killed now surpassing 20,000, Save the Children said.

At least;not less than; at the minimum

Mumofteenandtween · 10/09/2025 20:49

Didntask · 10/09/2025 20:46

And what could be done to stop it?

Fuck knows. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t note the fucking tragedy if it though.

DonaldTrumpsTwitterFeed · 10/09/2025 20:49

Martymcfly24 · 10/09/2025 20:49

Did you read the article or just get your calculator out for a gotcha

At least one Palestinian child has been killed every hour on average by Israeli forces in Gaza over nearly 23 months of war, with the number of children killed now surpassing 20,000, Save the Children said.

At least;not less than; at the minimum

That doesn’t stop it being a sensationalist headline. It’s a 17% difference which is a bloody huge amount.

Martymcfly24 · 10/09/2025 20:52

DonaldTrumpsTwitterFeed · 10/09/2025 20:49

That doesn’t stop it being a sensationalist headline. It’s a 17% difference which is a bloody huge amount.

17% difference in what?

Do you not understand that the number of dead children is still the same , the time analogy was only used to illustrate it?

Quite frightening you think you have made a point here.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 10/09/2025 20:54

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 20:45

Is it only children who have been caught in the crossfire?

70% of civilians killed have been women and children.

Calling it a ‘crossfire’ is an interesting choice of language, when unarmed civilians have been deliberately targeted: children shot by drones, tents bombed, and babies starved to death because of the blockade on baby formula.

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Mumofteenandtween · 10/09/2025 20:56

User37482 · 10/09/2025 20:39

I think it doesn’t do any good to make stuff up. The truth is awful enough, every childs death is a tragedy, whether they are Palestinian or Israeli.

But I wouldn’t believe an organisation which put out so a blatant lie.

Where is the lie? The headline said (and I copied and pasted it so no need to deal with my terrible typing):-

GAZA: 20,000 CHILDREN KILLED IN 23 MONTHS OF WAR - MORE THAN ONE CHILD KILLED EVERY HOUR

So it says “more than one child killed every hour”.

The earlier poster who has done the sums reckons it is actually 1.17 children killed every hour. Which is more than one child killed every hour.

The headline could have said “child killed every 51 minutes” which would be more accurate and actually sounds so much worse to me - something about it being in minutes” but it isn’t wrong to say “more than one” when it is indeed more than one.

DonaldTrumpsTwitterFeed · 10/09/2025 20:58

Martymcfly24 · 10/09/2025 20:52

17% difference in what?

Do you not understand that the number of dead children is still the same , the time analogy was only used to illustrate it?

Quite frightening you think you have made a point here.

I do understand. 16.7 is 17% less than 20k (at their one child an hour).

I find it quite baffling that a statement pointing out that sensationalist headlines do the Palestinians no favours in the eyes of the people who think it’s all being sensationalised by others 😂

My entire point was literally that they should be careful not to sensationalise things because it pulls people away from the facts. Heaven forbid someone show empathy AND point out the way to get support is to be more careful about how you word things.

Bloody hell. Not hard to see why people don’t want to engage with this debate is there? If you even halfway point out there’s better ways to make a point you’re ripped to shreds.

Martymcfly24 · 10/09/2025 21:03

DonaldTrumpsTwitterFeed · 10/09/2025 20:58

I do understand. 16.7 is 17% less than 20k (at their one child an hour).

I find it quite baffling that a statement pointing out that sensationalist headlines do the Palestinians no favours in the eyes of the people who think it’s all being sensationalised by others 😂

My entire point was literally that they should be careful not to sensationalise things because it pulls people away from the facts. Heaven forbid someone show empathy AND point out the way to get support is to be more careful about how you word things.

Bloody hell. Not hard to see why people don’t want to engage with this debate is there? If you even halfway point out there’s better ways to make a point you’re ripped to shreds.

It does not say one child an hour it says "at least" one child an hour and "on average"

You thought it was a gotcha . It wasn't . Your numbers are irrelevant in the context of this article.

And laughing emojis when speaking about an unthinkable death toll of children isn't cute or funny.

Mumofteenandtween · 10/09/2025 21:03

I think you have it backwards.

There are over 20k children dead. If it was one child per hour it would only be 16,790 dead. There are more dead children than is first implied by the headline (unless you read it and note the “more than” that I may have mentioned once or twice).

It has not been sensationalised. If anything it has been unsensationalised.

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 21:04

Sensationalising the deaths, no matter what method used, is vulgar.