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Martymcfly24 · 20/09/2025 16:35

Crosorbled · 20/09/2025 15:07

While I completely sympathise with the situation in Gaza , I feel very very sad for all the men , women & children who were killed and the hostages who were detained by the despicable Hamas in the initial attack in Israel .

Death is death whether you were a victim of the October 7th attacks or a victim of the daily attacks on Gaza in the 714 days since then.

Didntask · 20/09/2025 20:03

Thegreyhound · 20/09/2025 11:10

Because the IDF are killing them, not Hamas, obviously

But what kicked this particular war off?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 20/09/2025 20:39

Didntask · 20/09/2025 20:03

But what kicked this particular war off?

Oo I dunno, that’s a complex question. Perhaps the 1967 Israeli occupation?

What kicked off the war depends on how you define ‘the war.’ The roots go back decades: the ongoing occupation, displacement, land confiscation, blockade of Gaza, repeated military operations, and restrictions on Palestinians’ basic rights. October 7th was a horrific attack, but it didn’t happen in a vacuum- it was part of a much longer cycle of oppression and violence.

I think we can all agree that nothing can justify the fact that 20,000 children have been killed since October 2023, possibly much more according to independent estimates.

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Didntask · 20/09/2025 21:19

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 20/09/2025 20:39

Oo I dunno, that’s a complex question. Perhaps the 1967 Israeli occupation?

What kicked off the war depends on how you define ‘the war.’ The roots go back decades: the ongoing occupation, displacement, land confiscation, blockade of Gaza, repeated military operations, and restrictions on Palestinians’ basic rights. October 7th was a horrific attack, but it didn’t happen in a vacuum- it was part of a much longer cycle of oppression and violence.

I think we can all agree that nothing can justify the fact that 20,000 children have been killed since October 2023, possibly much more according to independent estimates.

I'll be specific - what kicked off October 7th 2023?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 20/09/2025 21:26

Didntask · 20/09/2025 21:19

I'll be specific - what kicked off October 7th 2023?

This isn’t the gotcha you think it is. People here have repeatedly condemned the atrocities of October 7th. We all know Hamas committed horrific acts- but that does not justify the deaths of 20,000+ Palestinian children since then.

Raising the ongoing humanitarian crisis isn’t about excusing Hamas, it’s about holding all parties accountable to international law and basic human decency.

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Thegreyhound · 20/09/2025 21:27

Didntask · 20/09/2025 21:19

I'll be specific - what kicked off October 7th 2023?

Decades of brutality and oppression, obviously. Nothing comes from nothing.

Everyone can see the causes, just as everyone is appalled by the action.

What happened on the 7th October that justified the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian children? Nothing.

Didntask · 20/09/2025 21:29

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 20/09/2025 21:26

This isn’t the gotcha you think it is. People here have repeatedly condemned the atrocities of October 7th. We all know Hamas committed horrific acts- but that does not justify the deaths of 20,000+ Palestinian children since then.

Raising the ongoing humanitarian crisis isn’t about excusing Hamas, it’s about holding all parties accountable to international law and basic human decency.

Did you clutch your pearls on oct 7th as you do now? How many dead women and children are acceptable to you?

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How many are acceptable to you?

October 7th attack on innocents wasn't justified just like the attacks every day since are not justified in Gaza.

Didntask · 20/09/2025 21:39

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How much attack would be justified though? How much could Israel retaliate before you think they'd gone too far? What is a justified number?

Martymcfly24 · 20/09/2025 21:42

Didntask · 20/09/2025 21:39

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How much attack would be justified though? How much could Israel retaliate before you think they'd gone too far? What is a justified number?

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The moment they dropped an airstrike on a populated area knowing that civilians would be killed they had went too far. Or the first aid truck that was blocked knowing it was needed to feed innocent children.

Just like every time Hamas send a rocket over that could hurt or kill an Israeli citizen or steal aid that could feed a Palestinian.

There is never a justified number of civilian deaths for any political cause.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 20/09/2025 21:47

Didntask · 20/09/2025 21:29

Did you clutch your pearls on oct 7th as you do now? How many dead women and children are acceptable to you?

‘Clutch my pearls’ 🙄

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Didntask · 20/09/2025 21:47

Martymcfly24 · 20/09/2025 21:42

The moment they dropped an airstrike on a populated area knowing that civilians would be killed they had went too far. Or the first aid truck that was blocked knowing it was needed to feed innocent children.

Just like every time Hamas send a rocket over that could hurt or kill an Israeli citizen or steal aid that could feed a Palestinian.

There is never a justified number of civilian deaths for any political cause.

So, Hamas kidnapping and killing babies, targeting innocent youths at a festival, raping then parading women doesn't get a mention? Why not?

Didntask · 20/09/2025 21:49

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 20/09/2025 21:47

‘Clutch my pearls’ 🙄

Anything more to add to that? Or is that all you were willing to acknowledge in my post?

Martymcfly24 · 20/09/2025 21:51

Didntask · 20/09/2025 21:47

So, Hamas kidnapping and killing babies, targeting innocent youths at a festival, raping then parading women doesn't get a mention? Why not?

A mention for what??
I already said in my last post it wasn't justified.

Do you think Israel have gone too far in their retaliation?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 20/09/2025 21:51

Didntask · 20/09/2025 21:49

Anything more to add to that? Or is that all you were willing to acknowledge in my post?

You’re clearly not engaging in good faith.

Framing my highlighting of the unacceptable deaths of 20,000 children as ‘clutching my pearls’ says it all.

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TakeMe2Insanity · 20/09/2025 21:54

Didntask · 20/09/2025 21:47

So, Hamas kidnapping and killing babies, targeting innocent youths at a festival, raping then parading women doesn't get a mention? Why not?

Because as people say on other threads, this isn’t about them.

Collective punishment is wrong.
Expecting hospital to evacuate is wrong.
Taking drs is wrong.
Killing journalists is wrong.
collecting men, stripping them, blindfolding them and marching them off is wrong.
Controlling water is wrong.
Snipers shooting little kids carrying water is wrong.
Shooting disabled people is wrong.
Creating a whole generation of disabled children who were born able bodied is wrong.

And doing this for nearly 2 whole years, that isn’t getting hostages back, it isn’t getting justice for people, that’s the actions of a blood thirsty dictator.

Didntask · 20/09/2025 21:54

Martymcfly24 · 20/09/2025 21:51

A mention for what??
I already said in my last post it wasn't justified.

Do you think Israel have gone too far in their retaliation?

You tell me - what retaliation specific to Oct 7th would you have been satisfied with? How much retaliation would you be agreeable to? Be specific.

Martymcfly24 · 20/09/2025 21:55

Didntask · 20/09/2025 21:54

You tell me - what retaliation specific to Oct 7th would you have been satisfied with? How much retaliation would you be agreeable to? Be specific.

I asked you first.

You tell me.

Be specific.

Didntask · 20/09/2025 21:57

TakeMe2Insanity · 20/09/2025 21:54

Because as people say on other threads, this isn’t about them.

Collective punishment is wrong.
Expecting hospital to evacuate is wrong.
Taking drs is wrong.
Killing journalists is wrong.
collecting men, stripping them, blindfolding them and marching them off is wrong.
Controlling water is wrong.
Snipers shooting little kids carrying water is wrong.
Shooting disabled people is wrong.
Creating a whole generation of disabled children who were born able bodied is wrong.

And doing this for nearly 2 whole years, that isn’t getting hostages back, it isn’t getting justice for people, that’s the actions of a blood thirsty dictator.

But raping then parading women, kidnapping and killing babies is ok? Tell me, what response from Israel to Oct 7th would've been acceptable to you?

TakeMe2Insanity · 20/09/2025 22:04

Didntask · 20/09/2025 21:57

But raping then parading women, kidnapping and killing babies is ok? Tell me, what response from Israel to Oct 7th would've been acceptable to you?

But we aren’t discussing that. We are discussing the children that have been slaughtered since then.

When is enough enough? When Gaza is rubble? Its already rubble. When all the Palestinians are dead? When the greater Israel is created?

Didntask · 20/09/2025 22:04

Martymcfly24 · 20/09/2025 21:55

I asked you first.

You tell me.

Be specific.

HAMAS carried out the biggest FAFO ever - at the expense of innocent Palestinians. HAMAS leaders dont give a shit about them either. So why should Israelis? Why do you refuse to acknowledge HAMAS's part in all of this?

anothercortisolqueen · 20/09/2025 22:06

Been heart broken over what’s been happening for over two years now, flabbergasted by how many are happy to turn a blind eye and play the ‘But what about HAMAS’ card.

Didntask · 20/09/2025 22:08

TakeMe2Insanity · 20/09/2025 22:04

But we aren’t discussing that. We are discussing the children that have been slaughtered since then.

When is enough enough? When Gaza is rubble? Its already rubble. When all the Palestinians are dead? When the greater Israel is created?

But we are because if the killing of babies and raping of women hadn't happened on oct 7th, we wouldn't be discussing this now. How can you be so brazenly obtuse about it?

Martymcfly24 · 20/09/2025 22:10

Didntask · 20/09/2025 22:04

HAMAS carried out the biggest FAFO ever - at the expense of innocent Palestinians. HAMAS leaders dont give a shit about them either. So why should Israelis? Why do you refuse to acknowledge HAMAS's part in all of this?

No answer to the question so.. fair enough. If you can't answer it's grand it's a hard one.

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