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SharonEllis · 02/10/2025 07:15

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 02/10/2025 07:06

Incorrect. International law does not give a blank cheque for civilian massacres. it requires distinction and proportionality. That’s why the ICJ, UN investigators, and multiple human rights bodies have said Israel may be committing war crimes.

As for aid: trickling in a few trucks after deliberately blocking food, water, and medicine isn’t ‘humanitarian’, it’s siege warfare. Starvation is explicitly banned under international law.

Drones- documented by Amnesty, HRW, and even Israeli sources. One of the most reported cases was 9-year-old Almna, killed by an Israeli drone strike whilst carrying water for her family. Laughing at dead children isn’t a great look- maybe stick to google before the emoji.

Noone said international law gives a blank cheque for civilian massacres. Why do you say things like this? Literally noone is arguing that. But it does recognise when a civilian building, like say a hospital has been turned into a military target by the actions of combatants who are using it for military purposes. It does also recognise that the use of human shields is a war crime and everyone knows that is central to Hamas's strategy. Im not getting into this debate with you yet again because you know this is true. Anyone reading can look it up.

EatMoreChocolate44 · 02/10/2025 07:28

Didntask · 10/09/2025 20:30

Anyone care to respond to this? Or do Jewish children not matter?

Of course Jewish children matter. All children matter. It is horrendous that any child is murdered but the sheer scale of the atrocities that is happening in Gaza needs to be highlighted. They are being bombed and shot indiscriminately. It is absolutely horrifying and the posters on here who try to excuse it or say what about hamas, what about Oct 7th is shameful. Most people agree that hamas are terrible that what happened on Oct 7th was awful but we have to focus on the thousands of families in Gaza now that are suffering beyond our comprehension.

SharonEllis · 02/10/2025 07:50

EatMoreChocolate44 · 02/10/2025 07:28

Of course Jewish children matter. All children matter. It is horrendous that any child is murdered but the sheer scale of the atrocities that is happening in Gaza needs to be highlighted. They are being bombed and shot indiscriminately. It is absolutely horrifying and the posters on here who try to excuse it or say what about hamas, what about Oct 7th is shameful. Most people agree that hamas are terrible that what happened on Oct 7th was awful but we have to focus on the thousands of families in Gaza now that are suffering beyond our comprehension.

Hamas are still holding hostages. The focus needs to also be on them.

Gloriia · 02/10/2025 09:00

'Laughing at dead children isn’t a great look'

No one is 'laughing at dead children' as you well know. What a very unpleasant thing to say.

The pp was laughing at 'the hamas lead health ministry'. You may think they're a bastion of truth and fact but most of us know any figures realised by 'hamas' will be bollocks.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 02/10/2025 09:19

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 02/10/2025 07:06

Incorrect. International law does not give a blank cheque for civilian massacres. it requires distinction and proportionality. That’s why the ICJ, UN investigators, and multiple human rights bodies have said Israel may be committing war crimes.

As for aid: trickling in a few trucks after deliberately blocking food, water, and medicine isn’t ‘humanitarian’, it’s siege warfare. Starvation is explicitly banned under international law.

Drones- documented by Amnesty, HRW, and even Israeli sources. One of the most reported cases was 9-year-old Almna, killed by an Israeli drone strike whilst carrying water for her family. Laughing at dead children isn’t a great look- maybe stick to google before the emoji.

Amnesty and HRW? There have been plenty of reports highlighting their impartiality (and the UN for that matter), maybe stick to Google before falling for such biased sources

Rocknrollstar · 02/10/2025 09:33

More Christians have been killed in Nigerian than people have died in Gaza. Where is the outcry? Where are the marches? And why do people believe the figures put out by Hamas.

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 09:53

Rocknrollstar · 02/10/2025 09:33

More Christians have been killed in Nigerian than people have died in Gaza. Where is the outcry? Where are the marches? And why do people believe the figures put out by Hamas.

I also do not understand why people believe the Hamas figures which do not distinguish between civilians & Palestinian armed groups.

Even if the number of deaths are roughly accurate, we have no way of knowing how many are Hamas & other militant fighters & how many are civilians.

Yet some are happy to keep repeating what Hamas say and how they say it, as if every Palestinian killed can be assumed to be an innocent civilian.

I’m not denying that many thousands of innocent civilians have been killed of course. But people need to remember that Hamas are embedded in the local population and that is who the IDF are actually trying to kill.

MissyB1 · 02/10/2025 10:55

Rocknrollstar · 02/10/2025 09:33

More Christians have been killed in Nigerian than people have died in Gaza. Where is the outcry? Where are the marches? And why do people believe the figures put out by Hamas.

In exactly the same time frame? No is the answer to that! Israel have killed a shockingly high amount of Palestinians in less than two years. And the number will turn out to be far higher because you can't count hidden bodies under rubble. There will also be the "excess deaths" so Palestinians who will die from disease / long term effects of injuries related to Israel's actions.

Also has the UK Government been complicit in whats happened in Nigeria? Have they assisted Boko Haram? Have they publicly defended Boko Haram's right to kill Christians? They've certainly been complicit in the Genocide of the Palestinian people, and thats part of the outcry.

GladioliGreen · 02/10/2025 11:47

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 09:53

I also do not understand why people believe the Hamas figures which do not distinguish between civilians & Palestinian armed groups.

Even if the number of deaths are roughly accurate, we have no way of knowing how many are Hamas & other militant fighters & how many are civilians.

Yet some are happy to keep repeating what Hamas say and how they say it, as if every Palestinian killed can be assumed to be an innocent civilian.

I’m not denying that many thousands of innocent civilians have been killed of course. But people need to remember that Hamas are embedded in the local population and that is who the IDF are actually trying to kill.

But people need to remember that Hamas are embedded in the local population and that is who the IDF are actually trying to kill.

Except every major NGO and the UN say that Israel are targeting civillians. That's who people are listening to. Not the people committing genocide, not Hamas and not Israel obsessives.

SharonEllis · 02/10/2025 12:07

MissyB1 · 02/10/2025 10:55

In exactly the same time frame? No is the answer to that! Israel have killed a shockingly high amount of Palestinians in less than two years. And the number will turn out to be far higher because you can't count hidden bodies under rubble. There will also be the "excess deaths" so Palestinians who will die from disease / long term effects of injuries related to Israel's actions.

Also has the UK Government been complicit in whats happened in Nigeria? Have they assisted Boko Haram? Have they publicly defended Boko Haram's right to kill Christians? They've certainly been complicit in the Genocide of the Palestinian people, and thats part of the outcry.

So its not people being killed that matter, its who's killing them? So much for all lives being equal.

crappycrapcrap · 02/10/2025 12:11

Regardless of political or religious affiliation, the scale of human suffering is surely enough to know that this is wrong. I can’t believe people are comparing numbers of dead children as if an eye for an eye makes any difference to the justification of this.

MissyB1 · 02/10/2025 12:41

SharonEllis · 02/10/2025 12:07

So its not people being killed that matter, its who's killing them? So much for all lives being equal.

I was pointing out that the pp did not compare like for like!! They insinuated that the situation in Nigeria is the same as Gaza so why was there so much outrage about Gaza. I explained the very obvious differences. Can't believe I'm having to explain that.

MissyB1 · 02/10/2025 12:45

crappycrapcrap · 02/10/2025 12:11

Regardless of political or religious affiliation, the scale of human suffering is surely enough to know that this is wrong. I can’t believe people are comparing numbers of dead children as if an eye for an eye makes any difference to the justification of this.

It absolutely doesn't, there is no justification, despite some posters absolutely insisting there is. It has thoroughly depressed me the amount of members of this forum who have consistently justified and defended what has been done to Gaza and its population.

Gloriia · 02/10/2025 13:03

Rocknrollstar · 02/10/2025 09:33

More Christians have been killed in Nigerian than people have died in Gaza. Where is the outcry? Where are the marches? And why do people believe the figures put out by Hamas.

Well apparently we are 'complicit' as we supply arms to israel. Conveniently ignoring the fact that we supply arms globally and of course we are going to support a country who had hundreds murdered and abducted by terrorists on Oct 7th.

No one will say why there is a thread with the names of gazan civilians sadly killed in the conflict but no one seems interested in the names of anyone killed in Syria or Yemen.

That is whataboutery apparently, 'dragging Yemen into it', irrelevant etc etc.

We all know it's because it involves Israel. That is what enrages some people they just like to talk about boycotts and an alleged famine whilst ignoring that terrible fact.

GladioliGreen · 02/10/2025 13:20

Gloriia · 02/10/2025 13:03

Well apparently we are 'complicit' as we supply arms to israel. Conveniently ignoring the fact that we supply arms globally and of course we are going to support a country who had hundreds murdered and abducted by terrorists on Oct 7th.

No one will say why there is a thread with the names of gazan civilians sadly killed in the conflict but no one seems interested in the names of anyone killed in Syria or Yemen.

That is whataboutery apparently, 'dragging Yemen into it', irrelevant etc etc.

We all know it's because it involves Israel. That is what enrages some people they just like to talk about boycotts and an alleged famine whilst ignoring that terrible fact.

That would explain why there is a thread dedicated to 20 Israeli soldiers who are held hostage but nothing at all about the 1000s of children Russia have taken. Daily postings about the same 20 soldiers but nothing about other people take elsewhere. 16 hostages were rescued in Nigeria just today but we won't see any mention of those poor people on that thread.

Gloriia · 02/10/2025 13:21

MissyB1 · 02/10/2025 12:45

It absolutely doesn't, there is no justification, despite some posters absolutely insisting there is. It has thoroughly depressed me the amount of members of this forum who have consistently justified and defended what has been done to Gaza and its population.

There isnt any justification for what hamas did true. They knew what would happen, they then didn't protect their civilians. The more deaths the better for the western media clowns who have believed everything hamas have fed them.

There is no place for a terrorist run territory. As BN said it is Israel now, it'll be Europe next. Isis were zapped, hamas are nearly done. Then gaza can hopefully have someone with some braincells trying to run the place.

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 13:38

GladioliGreen · 02/10/2025 11:47

But people need to remember that Hamas are embedded in the local population and that is who the IDF are actually trying to kill.

Except every major NGO and the UN say that Israel are targeting civillians. That's who people are listening to. Not the people committing genocide, not Hamas and not Israel obsessives.

"That's who people are listening to" hmm ... I think you will find that people listen to many different sources and have a whole range of different opinions. Not everyone shares your opinions or believes your sources are credible.

Some do, some don't.

GladioliGreen · 02/10/2025 14:03

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 13:38

"That's who people are listening to" hmm ... I think you will find that people listen to many different sources and have a whole range of different opinions. Not everyone shares your opinions or believes your sources are credible.

Some do, some don't.

I think this board has proved that. Some people would rather listen to genociders who have been found to be committing illegal occupation and apartheid than the UN and NGOs, which is certainly an interesting choice.

Gloriia · 02/10/2025 14:10

'Some people would rather listen to genociders'

'Genociders'. Have you just made that word up? Are they 'faminers' too?

No, some people are able to see that terrorists should not be in charge of anywhere and if to get rid of them their unprotected civilians are killed we can all agree that is very sad.

The problem has always been the terrorists not the army trying to get shot of them.

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 14:25

Gloriia · 02/10/2025 14:10

'Some people would rather listen to genociders'

'Genociders'. Have you just made that word up? Are they 'faminers' too?

No, some people are able to see that terrorists should not be in charge of anywhere and if to get rid of them their unprotected civilians are killed we can all agree that is very sad.

The problem has always been the terrorists not the army trying to get shot of them.

Yes they made up that word like they made up "who people are listening to" with no apparent understanding that people are all different outside their bubble.

GladioliGreen · 02/10/2025 14:33

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GladioliGreen · 02/10/2025 14:36

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 14:25

Yes they made up that word like they made up "who people are listening to" with no apparent understanding that people are all different outside their bubble.

Sure Twiglets. How is the GHF going these days, how many people have been killed there today? We've all seen what is supported outside of my 'bubble' and who supports it.

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 14:47

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I don't know why we have to keep going over the same old ground re genocide. Yes the UN call it one but no it hasn't been declared one legally and isn't considered one at the moment by the UK government.

You may like to think that people supporting Israel are in a small minority but not so small in reality.

Many people think both sides are partly to blame and just want this war to be over. Villainising one side is not good for peace and most of us don't want perpetual war and hatred going on for yet more generations.

Twiglets1 · 02/10/2025 14:52

GladioliGreen · 02/10/2025 14:36

Sure Twiglets. How is the GHF going these days, how many people have been killed there today? We've all seen what is supported outside of my 'bubble' and who supports it.

Feeding more Gazans than the flotilla's ever will, that's for sure.

The GHF have delivered 177 million meals.

Kakeandkake · 02/10/2025 14:54

Killing more humans than those on the flotilla ever did.

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