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ScrollingLeaves · 30/09/2025 14:15

SisterTeatime · 25/09/2025 06:42

I don’t think you could walk on eggshells if you tried, tbh

I remember how posters rushed to MN to make excuses for Oct 7. I remember the lack of empathy immediately after a brutal massacre of civilians. I remember a lot of posts being deleted for absolutely blatant antisemitism.

Emotions were high and people were upset, yes, but for the benefit of anyone reading today who wasn’t on the board at the time, it really wasnt as you describe.

Out of interest, wouldn’t it all still be there on Mumsnet CITME board to read?

ScrollingLeaves · 30/09/2025 14:36

Kakeandkake · 30/09/2025 14:01

It isn't hyperbole. There's many people who have openly and more often 'indirectly' justified and minimised the deaths of thousands of innocent Palestinians.

Yes, people have not infrequently come on a thread to say Hamas started a war, war is inevitably terrible, there will always be collateral deaths.

Kakeandkake · 30/09/2025 14:36

Everexpanding · 30/09/2025 13:49

Hyperbole !?? Shocking figures true but not hyperbole, fact and probably grossly underestimated fact

Which is why more companies and brands are scrambling to distance themselves from the Israeli genocide.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/reebok-said-to-ask-israels-national-soccer-team-to-take-company-logo-off-uniforms/

TwistyTurnip · 30/09/2025 15:05

Didntask · 10/09/2025 19:54

I've only skim read the link, but there doesn't seem to be any mention of Hamas at all... why is that?

Exactly

Everexpanding · 30/09/2025 15:11

I don’t think Hamas run companies are sponsored by reebok????

Alicealig · 30/09/2025 15:54

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Alicealig · 30/09/2025 16:00

You can't start a war and then say, "oh sorry, too many of our people are dying now, we don't want to surrender but can you stop please"

The planet you people live on is surreal. Completely unable to think as if you're in someone elses shoes. It's just "oh it must be so awful to be this one or that one". Yes it must but for fucks sake think with a morsel of complexity as to what mores going on here.

ScrollingLeaves · 30/09/2025 16:18

ScrollingLeaves · 30/09/2025 14:36

Yes, people have not infrequently come on a thread to say Hamas started a war, war is inevitably terrible, there will always be collateral deaths.

As here,

Alicealig · Today 16:00
You can't start a war and then say, "oh sorry, too many of our people are dying now, we don't want to surrender but can you stop please"

Twiglets1 · 30/09/2025 16:33

Everexpanding · 30/09/2025 13:30

You? You can keep on mocking those who care I guess, you seem to enjoy it

Happy there's a peace plan @Everexpanding ?

Imagine if the war could actually stop in the next few days, wouldn't that be amazing?

SisterTeatime · 30/09/2025 16:44

ScrollingLeaves · 30/09/2025 14:15

Out of interest, wouldn’t it all still be there on Mumsnet CITME board to read?

The CITME board didn’t exist at the time, but yes, you could probably find the threads if you looked.

There were many, many deletions for antisemitism, and for what were probably deemed personal attacks, I remember being deleted for calling another poster a ghoul, for example. I remember being very upset at the speed and level at which the antisemitism and rape denial appeared all over MN after Oct 7.

ScrollingLeaves · 30/09/2025 16:59

SisterTeatime · 30/09/2025 16:44

The CITME board didn’t exist at the time, but yes, you could probably find the threads if you looked.

There were many, many deletions for antisemitism, and for what were probably deemed personal attacks, I remember being deleted for calling another poster a ghoul, for example. I remember being very upset at the speed and level at which the antisemitism and rape denial appeared all over MN after Oct 7.

Ah yes now I remember the CITME board was not there at first just after Oct 7 but people were of course talking about all the events and the board was made soon after on about Oct 10th.

There were also specific discussions about the rapes and mistreatment of Israeli women Oct 7 on the Feminism: sex and gender board.

Everexpanding · 30/09/2025 18:17

Twiglets1 · 30/09/2025 16:33

Happy there's a peace plan @Everexpanding ?

Imagine if the war could actually stop in the next few days, wouldn't that be amazing?

I really would like to see peace. Do wonder why the clause below is included if Israel and America have not committed many war crimes ??
Would like to see them required to build all infrastructure destroyed and compensate and provide protheses for all the children and adults they have left as amputees. Would rather a war criminal not be put in charge . I think it is stitch up, I hope it is not but think am with Yolanda Diaz

In a little noticed part of the 20-point Trump peace plan, the Palestinian Authority (PA) will only be considered to have reformed itself and be eligible to run what has been described as ‘New Gaza’ if it drops all involvement in the legal cases being taken against the US or Israel at the international court of justice (ICJ) and the international criminal court (ICC).

The ICJ is still examining whether Israel has or is committing a genocide in Gaza, as well as whether Israel has breached the UN’s immunities by throwing the UN Palestinians right agency Unrwa out of Gaza.
The ICC has issued an arrest warrant for the Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
The requirement that the PA drop all legal actions against the US and Israel in all tribunals is only mentioned in the plan when the document says the PA will only be able to take over the administration of Gaza from technocrats when it has “completed its reform programme, as outlined in various proposals, including president Trump’s peace plan in 2020”.
The 2020 peace plan stated it was a requirement that the PA take no action, and shall dismiss all pending actions, against the state of Israel, the United States (US) and any of their citizens before the international criminal court the international court of justice and all other tribunals.
It also required the PA to take no action against any Israeli or US citizen before Interpol or any non-Israeli or US – as applicable – legal system.

Twiglets1 · 30/09/2025 18:38

Everexpanding · 30/09/2025 18:17

I really would like to see peace. Do wonder why the clause below is included if Israel and America have not committed many war crimes ??
Would like to see them required to build all infrastructure destroyed and compensate and provide protheses for all the children and adults they have left as amputees. Would rather a war criminal not be put in charge . I think it is stitch up, I hope it is not but think am with Yolanda Diaz

In a little noticed part of the 20-point Trump peace plan, the Palestinian Authority (PA) will only be considered to have reformed itself and be eligible to run what has been described as ‘New Gaza’ if it drops all involvement in the legal cases being taken against the US or Israel at the international court of justice (ICJ) and the international criminal court (ICC).

The ICJ is still examining whether Israel has or is committing a genocide in Gaza, as well as whether Israel has breached the UN’s immunities by throwing the UN Palestinians right agency Unrwa out of Gaza.
The ICC has issued an arrest warrant for the Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
The requirement that the PA drop all legal actions against the US and Israel in all tribunals is only mentioned in the plan when the document says the PA will only be able to take over the administration of Gaza from technocrats when it has “completed its reform programme, as outlined in various proposals, including president Trump’s peace plan in 2020”.
The 2020 peace plan stated it was a requirement that the PA take no action, and shall dismiss all pending actions, against the state of Israel, the United States (US) and any of their citizens before the international criminal court the international court of justice and all other tribunals.
It also required the PA to take no action against any Israeli or US citizen before Interpol or any non-Israeli or US – as applicable – legal system.

I’ll take that as a No you’re not happy there’s a peace plan. I guess you’re hoping Hamas reject it but you’re getting a bit out of step with the Palestinian people now. Most just want the war to stop.

Everexpanding · 30/09/2025 18:51

@Twiglets1 please don’t put words in my mouth, I really want there to be peace and justice for Palestinians I don’t think this peace plan will deliver it but will be absolutely delighted if proved wrong

Twiglets1 · 30/09/2025 18:55

Everexpanding · 30/09/2025 18:51

@Twiglets1 please don’t put words in my mouth, I really want there to be peace and justice for Palestinians I don’t think this peace plan will deliver it but will be absolutely delighted if proved wrong

So you’re not happy with this peace plan.

But would be a happy with a hypothetical one that was more favourable to the side losing the war than the side winning the war. AKA something that never happens.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/09/2025 19:21

Twiglets1 · 30/09/2025 18:55

So you’re not happy with this peace plan.

But would be a happy with a hypothetical one that was more favourable to the side losing the war than the side winning the war. AKA something that never happens.

I wouldn’t describe it as a war.

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Twiglets1 · 30/09/2025 19:30

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/09/2025 19:21

I wouldn’t describe it as a war.

So? That’s not relevant to the conversation I was having with @Everexpanding

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/09/2025 19:36

Twiglets1 · 30/09/2025 19:30

So? That’s not relevant to the conversation I was having with @Everexpanding

Of course it is if people are describing it as a ‘war’

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/09/2025 20:11

Crosorbled · 20/09/2025 15:07

While I completely sympathise with the situation in Gaza , I feel very very sad for all the men , women & children who were killed and the hostages who were detained by the despicable Hamas in the initial attack in Israel .

‘The situation’ - do you mean the 20,000 babies and children who’ve been killed?

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GladioliGreen · 30/09/2025 20:12

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/09/2025 19:36

Of course it is if people are describing it as a ‘war’

It's quite disgusting really talking about how treating people with basic dignity and giving them basic human rights is 'being more favourable to the side losing the war'. Heaven forbid civillians who were on the 'losing side' get the same rights as everyone else, no, they 'lost' so decades more abuse and subjugation from their Israeli overlords for them. We wouldn't want them thinking they were equal to the 'winners' now would we.

Kakeandkake · 30/09/2025 20:18

GladioliGreen · 30/09/2025 20:12

It's quite disgusting really talking about how treating people with basic dignity and giving them basic human rights is 'being more favourable to the side losing the war'. Heaven forbid civillians who were on the 'losing side' get the same rights as everyone else, no, they 'lost' so decades more abuse and subjugation from their Israeli overlords for them. We wouldn't want them thinking they were equal to the 'winners' now would we.

I couldn't agree more with this. Some of the stuff I read on here at times is 🤯

Twiglets1 · 30/09/2025 21:51

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 30/09/2025 20:11

‘The situation’ - do you mean the 20,000 babies and children who’ve been killed?

Give it a rest.

None of the pro Pals even seem like they want a ceasefire based on their negativity today for the peace plan.

Twiglets1 · 30/09/2025 22:03

Actually my above post is unfair to say that none of the pro Pals seem like they want a ceasefire. Some of them do but they are unfortunately in the minority.

ScrollingLeaves · 30/09/2025 22:24

Everexpanding · 30/09/2025 18:17

I really would like to see peace. Do wonder why the clause below is included if Israel and America have not committed many war crimes ??
Would like to see them required to build all infrastructure destroyed and compensate and provide protheses for all the children and adults they have left as amputees. Would rather a war criminal not be put in charge . I think it is stitch up, I hope it is not but think am with Yolanda Diaz

In a little noticed part of the 20-point Trump peace plan, the Palestinian Authority (PA) will only be considered to have reformed itself and be eligible to run what has been described as ‘New Gaza’ if it drops all involvement in the legal cases being taken against the US or Israel at the international court of justice (ICJ) and the international criminal court (ICC).

The ICJ is still examining whether Israel has or is committing a genocide in Gaza, as well as whether Israel has breached the UN’s immunities by throwing the UN Palestinians right agency Unrwa out of Gaza.
The ICC has issued an arrest warrant for the Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
The requirement that the PA drop all legal actions against the US and Israel in all tribunals is only mentioned in the plan when the document says the PA will only be able to take over the administration of Gaza from technocrats when it has “completed its reform programme, as outlined in various proposals, including president Trump’s peace plan in 2020”.
The 2020 peace plan stated it was a requirement that the PA take no action, and shall dismiss all pending actions, against the state of Israel, the United States (US) and any of their citizens before the international criminal court the international court of justice and all other tribunals.
It also required the PA to take no action against any Israeli or US citizen before Interpol or any non-Israeli or US – as applicable – legal system.

Thank you for pointing this out as I never saw that part of the peace plan or heard it mentioned in the news.

Twiglets1 · 01/10/2025 07:17

GladioliGreen · 30/09/2025 20:12

It's quite disgusting really talking about how treating people with basic dignity and giving them basic human rights is 'being more favourable to the side losing the war'. Heaven forbid civillians who were on the 'losing side' get the same rights as everyone else, no, they 'lost' so decades more abuse and subjugation from their Israeli overlords for them. We wouldn't want them thinking they were equal to the 'winners' now would we.

It’s the same with every war.

The German people for example were heavily punished financially for starting a war & losing it (twice).

Maybe the majority of their civilians didn’t deserve it either but they all got punished for having a mad government that kept attacking other countries.

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