Central Bank of Ireland confirms it will no longer approve sale of Israeli ‘war bonds’

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Good news. Political pressure, protests and letters beginning to work

www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/09/01/israel-to-market-war-bonds-through-luxembourg-as-irish-authority-expires/

'The state' is not = 'government policy' so no contradiction.

Splitting hairs there tbh. Anyway point us to the government policy you are referring to

Not at all. Radically different things. Tbh not sure we'll get very far if you dont know the difference.

Not sure we’ll get very far if you have no evidence?

@SharonEllis

Oh I understand the difference between a nation state and government policy they're different things but intertwined through the constitution, obviously the government gets its authority to create policy from the people and the Constitution. So is there evidence of antisemitic government policy in Ireland?

I wouldn’t want to be deleted again, by criticising the Irish state - because, let’s face it, criticism of the government of Ireland is just not on.

But history’s always interesting, particularly history within living memory. So how’s this for the Irish state’s reputation:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/dec/31/secondworldwar.ireland

Well, if you can’t send sympathy for Hitler’s death, whose death can you sympathise with? 🙄

So evidence from 1945? You know Ireland maintained neutrality so would have also sent condolences on Winston Churchill’s death. Any current policy?

More context from 1945

This controversial act, one of the most controversial things de Valera ever did, has been regularly resurrected in the decades since, with some using it to suggest that he was pro-Nazi.
In fact, he was anything but and the story is a bit more complicated than some would have you believe, though you would be hard put to find anyone, then or since, who thought de Valera’s condolences were a good idea.
Context of course is key. Ireland was neutral in World War II (or, as it was termed here, 'the Emergency’), and although favourably disposed to the Allies and giving them considerable assistance behind the scenes, de Valera insisted on strict adherence to the formalities of neutrality.

amp.rte.ie/amp/1404292/

Churchill and Hitler are obviously not equivalent whether Ireland was neutral or not. More on this in Montefiore's piece above which you perhaps didn't read.

So the only evidence that you can try to use to support your claim that Ireland is anti semetic are incidents from 79 years ago and 121 years ago respectively. You have stated repeatedly on this thread that the policies of the Irish government are anti semetic but have, despite requests provided no proof just baseless slander

But apparently Israel, as a state, is appalling. Even though it was established more recently than the Irish state’s sympathetic message on the passing of Herr Hitler.

And you can say what you like - however nasty - about Israel, and its roots, the Jewish desire for a homeland, and its principal inhabitants, Jews.

🙄

Their point is to derail the thread.

Ireland is being targeted because it's government had the temerity to actually represent the will of the people who voted for them and had the cheek to recognise a Palestinian state.

Remember in history there have been lots of dubious/questionable actions. For example German Zionists collaborated with the Nazis between 1933 and 1939 to facilitate the transfer of Jewish Germans to Palestine.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/history/article/2023/08/06/90-years-ago-a-negotiated-transfer-led-over-50-000-german-jews-to-palestine_6082440_157.html

Israel is being rightly in my opinion being crticised for being directly responsible for the deaths of 20,000++++++ children. If you feel Israel deserves no criticism for this it says more about you,

@DenizenOfAisleOfShame

Hyde and DeValera were totally wrong to send condolences on Hitlers death. DeValera's personality was definitely his undoing here and his unwillingness to see the bigger picture here and his desire to make a point to the American ambassador were definitely a factor. He wouldn't be a popular figure around where I live!

Although neutral Ireland was at times struck, I only learned recently the Synagogue in Dublin was the only one the Germans paid reperations for (and I can only imagine how many they destroyed).

While there was undoubtedly anti semitism in Ireland at this time there were some figures who helped Jewish people such as Hubert Butler and Mary Elmes (Cork woman)who was arrested by the Gestapo for saving at least 200 Jewish children bound for Auschwitz.

Clonyn Castle in Westmeath hosted 100 Jewish children for rehabilitation just after the war. Initially the Dept said no but the Chief Rabbi appealed to his friend DeValera (the irony) who approved the request.

Thank you, very interesting.

This Irishman was also resposible for saving over 6,500 Jews, American and British Soldiers escape from the Germans and his activities earned him the nickname “Scarlet Pimpernel of the Vatican” as he became the master of disguises, evading capture from the Germans when he had to leave the security of the Vatican to go on his rescue missions.

www.hughoflaherty.com/index.cfm/page/biography

Make up your mind. We are being badgered to provide more and more evidence, but now accused of derailing?

All of this was in response to someone saying it was bullshit thst there was a history of antisemitism in Ireland (and consistently beimg pretty rude). All that was needed was to acknowledge that yes of course there was a history of antisemitism in Ireland and there would have been no argument

You are welcome. I am actually doing projects on Mary with my class this term, she only died in 2002 and is an absolutely fascinating woman.

You have provided exactly zero evidence to back your claim

Actually I have posted at least two articles.

You you demand mountains of evidence in response to any claims that racism exists?

“Yes, a lot of criticism of Israel by both ordinary Irish people and senior politicians and as evidenced in government policy is motivated by antisemitism.” This is what you stated @SharonEllis , numerous posters have asked you to provide evidence, you have provided none, I maintain my initial assessment which was bullshit, worse actually unsubstantiated bullshit being used to try and undermine valid criticism of the Israeli state and it’s genocidal actions.i can provide you many examples of Israeli politicians displaying horrific anti Muslim sentiment. You can furnish no examples of current day Irish politicians being anti semitic, let alone enacting anti semitic policies.

Oh dear, what a racist car crash this thread is.

For those at the back who can’t quite see the poster: antisemitism is racism.

In fact it’s the most enduring and pernicious form of racism there is. That’s in smaller letters on the class poster, so you’ll need to get up off the mat and come and have a closer look.