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PinkBobby · 22/08/2025 18:37

mids2019 · 22/08/2025 18:10

Can't Hamas just surrender and end it all? Simples.

Well it doesn’t all just end, does it? Palestinian people will be facing decades of rebuilding their destroyed homes and infrastructure (if they’re allowed to stay on the land). Malnutrition can have life long effects on the babies and children. People will be growing up orphaned or grieving their loved ones (including the families of hostages and IDF soldiers). Education will suffer without the infrastructure. Plus the settler movement in the WB means more Israeli state endorsed violence, pain and loss for Palestinian people. So no, it doesn’t just end. The impact of this war will affect the Palestinian in particular for decades. And that’s if they’re allowed to stay in Gaza/WB.

Gloriia · 22/08/2025 18:38

DrPrunesqualer · 22/08/2025 18:33

I’m going to add to your list if I may Marty

I hate all people who support the actions in Gaza by the Israeli Government against the Palestinian people
I hate all people who deny those actions against the Palestinian people

Hate? Really?

Can you not disagree with us, oppose our opinions, challenge like a grown up?

It's as if this whole conflict has taught you absolutely zilch.

Hate. Lovely.

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 18:38

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SaltAirAndTheRust · 22/08/2025 18:38

PinkBobby · 22/08/2025 18:37

Well it doesn’t all just end, does it? Palestinian people will be facing decades of rebuilding their destroyed homes and infrastructure (if they’re allowed to stay on the land). Malnutrition can have life long effects on the babies and children. People will be growing up orphaned or grieving their loved ones (including the families of hostages and IDF soldiers). Education will suffer without the infrastructure. Plus the settler movement in the WB means more Israeli state endorsed violence, pain and loss for Palestinian people. So no, it doesn’t just end. The impact of this war will affect the Palestinian in particular for decades. And that’s if they’re allowed to stay in Gaza/WB.

Make no mistake, Gazan culture as we knew it is gone. Even the youngest babies will grow up traumatised. Even if they live, things will never be the same.

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Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 18:39

Martymcfly24 · 22/08/2025 18:36

I would actually ask why is Israel allowed to behave in a way other countries aren't. Russia has been widely sanctioned and condemned. Israel has the unconditional support of the USA and has been told there are no red lines (Biden) and been given a carte Blanche by Trump.

Israel have still been allowed to take part in all international competitions.

The EU have have issues no sanctions despite a report saying they have breached human rights.

Defending yourself and killing at least 60,000 people and starving 2 million is not the same thing

because Israel is at war with a TERRORIST organisation that wants to kill all jews, eradicate Israel and wage war against the west (it’s a proxy for Iran after all, which has called for the destruction of the west) and you wonder why it has the backing of the US? Have you read a book?

SaltAirAndTheRust · 22/08/2025 18:39

Gloriia · 22/08/2025 18:38

Hate? Really?

Can you not disagree with us, oppose our opinions, challenge like a grown up?

It's as if this whole conflict has taught you absolutely zilch.

Hate. Lovely.

I wouldn’t say I hate people who actively sit and endorse genocide. I’d say I have complete indifference towards them. If they value human life so low, why should I value their opinions?

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Enrichetta · 22/08/2025 18:40

The Palestinian people, having been robbed of their land, have a right to self determination and statehood. How do Israeli apologists suggest they should go about this, given that willingness to negotiate never got them anywhere, and they do not have an army or other means of retaliation?

SaltAirAndTheRust · 22/08/2025 18:40

Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 18:39

because Israel is at war with a TERRORIST organisation that wants to kill all jews, eradicate Israel and wage war against the west (it’s a proxy for Iran after all, which has called for the destruction of the west) and you wonder why it has the backing of the US? Have you read a book?

And in return for that terrorist organisation, Israel wants to kill all Palestinians.

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zerofeeling · 22/08/2025 18:40

Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 18:31

Why is Israel held to a higher standard than other countries? It is at war. That means people die.

If thousands of British people were killed by terrorists, would we fight back or do nothing?

you say you agree Israel has a right to defend itself. That is what it’s doing but you’re saying they’re wrong? So which is it?

You didn't answer my question.

Israel isn't being held to a 'higher standard' it's being judged on internationally agreed standards and humanitarian directives. You can't just brush off the deliberate slaughter and starvation of innocent civilians with 'people die in war'

Eviebeans · 22/08/2025 18:40

Zonder · 22/08/2025 16:51

I don't know what it will take to bring this to an end 😞

It will take people to take a stand against Israel and take strong action- not just ignore or “condemn” from afar. I honestly do not know what it will take for that to happen though.

Martymcfly24 · 22/08/2025 18:41

DrPrunesqualer · 22/08/2025 18:33

I’m going to add to your list if I may Marty

I hate all people who support the actions in Gaza by the Israeli Government against the Palestinian people
I hate all people who deny those actions against the Palestinian people

Please do and I completely agree

I also hate every government official who actually has power and chooses not to use it to end suffering.

Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 18:41

PinkBobby · 22/08/2025 18:37

Well it doesn’t all just end, does it? Palestinian people will be facing decades of rebuilding their destroyed homes and infrastructure (if they’re allowed to stay on the land). Malnutrition can have life long effects on the babies and children. People will be growing up orphaned or grieving their loved ones (including the families of hostages and IDF soldiers). Education will suffer without the infrastructure. Plus the settler movement in the WB means more Israeli state endorsed violence, pain and loss for Palestinian people. So no, it doesn’t just end. The impact of this war will affect the Palestinian in particular for decades. And that’s if they’re allowed to stay in Gaza/WB.

Such a shame Hamas don’t use the billions they receive from Qatar to put towards feeding Palestinians and rebuilding their homes.

Gloriia · 22/08/2025 18:41

SaltAirAndTheRust · 22/08/2025 18:39

I wouldn’t say I hate people who actively sit and endorse genocide. I’d say I have complete indifference towards them. If they value human life so low, why should I value their opinions?

Be indifferent fine as I am to your views. No-one is endorsing genocide just disagreeing with the definition some apply here. As we keep saying if they wanted to wipe everyone out in gaza this would have been over a long time ago,

The pp saying she hated those who disagreed with them is rather appalling imo.

DrPrunesqualer · 22/08/2025 18:42

Gloriia · 22/08/2025 18:38

Hate? Really?

Can you not disagree with us, oppose our opinions, challenge like a grown up?

It's as if this whole conflict has taught you absolutely zilch.

Hate. Lovely.

I have been
For a long time

I Still do and I can hate them at the same time.

SaltAirAndTheRust · 22/08/2025 18:42

Gloriia · 22/08/2025 18:41

Be indifferent fine as I am to your views. No-one is endorsing genocide just disagreeing with the definition some apply here. As we keep saying if they wanted to wipe everyone out in gaza this would have been over a long time ago,

The pp saying she hated those who disagreed with them is rather appalling imo.

Actually, I’ve changed my mind.

I loathe anyone who can sit by and justify this. I don’t know how you can sleep at night.

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Martymcfly24 · 22/08/2025 18:44

Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 18:39

because Israel is at war with a TERRORIST organisation that wants to kill all jews, eradicate Israel and wage war against the west (it’s a proxy for Iran after all, which has called for the destruction of the west) and you wonder why it has the backing of the US? Have you read a book?

Monty you have clearly swallowed the sound bite dictionary.

I have read books lots of them in fact and enough to know that Israel as an Occupying Power has many responsibilities for the state of the current conflict. So does Hamas and so does the USA.

DrPrunesqualer · 22/08/2025 18:44

Martymcfly24 · 22/08/2025 18:41

Please do and I completely agree

I also hate every government official who actually has power and chooses not to use it to end suffering.

Absolutely
More direct action by Governments against Netanyahu and the IG could have saved thousands of lives

If those actions had happened well before October 7th it would never have occured

Gloriia · 22/08/2025 18:44

SaltAirAndTheRust · 22/08/2025 18:42

Actually, I’ve changed my mind.

I loathe anyone who can sit by and justify this. I don’t know how you can sleep at night.

I sleep fine at night knowing a terrorist state will soon be beaten and the gazans will hopefully live in peace.

Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 18:45

zerofeeling · 22/08/2025 18:40

You didn't answer my question.

Israel isn't being held to a 'higher standard' it's being judged on internationally agreed standards and humanitarian directives. You can't just brush off the deliberate slaughter and starvation of innocent civilians with 'people die in war'

Because it’s not deliberate slaughter. We know Hamas use civilians as human shields. We know they hide in hospitals and schools. We know they don’t care about Palestinians. We know they steal aid and food and live luxury lifestyles in other Arab countries away from the horrors of the war. We know they want the complete annihilation of Israel and the Jewish people. We know they will attack Israel again and again with the backing of Iran if they are allowed to regain control of Gaza. We know all these things, and yet you cannot bring yourself to blame anyone but Israel.

SaltAirAndTheRust · 22/08/2025 18:46

Gloriia · 22/08/2025 18:44

I sleep fine at night knowing a terrorist state will soon be beaten and the gazans will hopefully live in peace.

But you know they won’t. Because their country has been destroyed.

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DrPrunesqualer · 22/08/2025 18:47

Gloriia · 22/08/2025 18:44

I sleep fine at night knowing a terrorist state will soon be beaten and the gazans will hopefully live in peace.

‘A terrorist state’ !

are you saying everyone in Gaza is a terrorist ?

Mercurial123 · 22/08/2025 18:49

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 16:23

You won't get denial from me. I thought it was already official that Hamas had manufactured mass starvation.

You are deluded, but I'm hardly surprised.

zerofeeling · 22/08/2025 18:49

Montysmoon · 22/08/2025 18:45

Because it’s not deliberate slaughter. We know Hamas use civilians as human shields. We know they hide in hospitals and schools. We know they don’t care about Palestinians. We know they steal aid and food and live luxury lifestyles in other Arab countries away from the horrors of the war. We know they want the complete annihilation of Israel and the Jewish people. We know they will attack Israel again and again with the backing of Iran if they are allowed to regain control of Gaza. We know all these things, and yet you cannot bring yourself to blame anyone but Israel.

It's deliberate slaughter which people try to excuse by saying 'yeah but Hamas' - as I said before, we're way past that. And by 'we' I mean rational sentient people, not pro-Israel Speak-Your-Cliche bots.

allusernamesaretakennow · 22/08/2025 18:50

DrPrunesqualer · 22/08/2025 18:18

Perhaps better still countries all invade Israel
Then we can all be on here telling them to surrender!

Should Ukraine surrender. In fact as soon as any country is invaded by another they should just surrender.

That all makes great political sense to the Far Right of course but certainly not the rest of the world !

Why would countries (well apart from the usual Terrorist run ones) want to invade Israel? Would that make you happy? Very strange comment.

No Ukraine shouldn't surrender to Putin's invasion. Again strange comment makes no sense in light of why Israel launched a war on Hamas compared to why Putin invaded his neighbour who didn't launch a mass terrorist and kidnapping free for all on it's neighbour.

None of what you have said makes any sense at all no matter what political leaning one might have.

SaltAirAndTheRust · 22/08/2025 18:51

allusernamesaretakennow · 22/08/2025 18:50

Why would countries (well apart from the usual Terrorist run ones) want to invade Israel? Would that make you happy? Very strange comment.

No Ukraine shouldn't surrender to Putin's invasion. Again strange comment makes no sense in light of why Israel launched a war on Hamas compared to why Putin invaded his neighbour who didn't launch a mass terrorist and kidnapping free for all on it's neighbour.

None of what you have said makes any sense at all no matter what political leaning one might have.

The argument that makes no sense being, of course, that a full blown genocide is not a rational response.

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