A famine has been declared in Gaza city

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https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481

Meanwhile, up to 80,000 troops are being prepared to start an offensive there. There are no longer any words

And it is NOT semantics ie arguing about wording. There is a real substantive difference between taking a baby hostage and murdering it and arresting a teenager for being caught up in some sort of criminal activity, whether ultimately they should be acquitted or not. There should be robust processes for dealing with the latter. There is nothing that justifies the former. How anyone can pretend they are the same is morally grotesque.

In your opinion.

I for one am not taking any lectures on what is or isn’t reprehensible, false equivalence, or disgustingness from any cheerleader for the Israeli government.

Well said. Facts eh?

The killing of any baby is morally grotesque and the IDF has killed thousands

Very good point. Nobody deserves to live in utter devastation.

There is a famine. That famine shows no signs of ending.

Palestine and Hamas are two different things. It’s been made clear by myself and many other posters that we do not support Hamas. But what we also do not support is the enforced starvation and murder of civilians, under the guise of defeating Hamas.

Not a fan of innocent children?

Oh, thought of another one!

The suggestion that the women of Gaza have been forced to have babies during a war is horrific. Throughout this war, a disturbing theme has been expressed where Palestinians are somehow seen as lacking autonomy and are lesser. They can’t be expected not to resort to violence to solve problems, they can’t be expected to look after their own people and now the rather eye-opening all pregnancies are the result of force.

To that poster, which is it? Are Palestininas choosing to get pregnant during a war (or what, too uneducated to understand not to have sex if you don’t want to get pregnant) or are they all results of assault? Neither is particularly complimentary from a poster who would, I assume, claim to be pro-Palestine.

It's amazing that this needs repeating, but it does.

It’s almost like it takes nine months to have a baby and things may have been very different for them nine months ago? But what you’re essentially trying to say is that the babies deserve to starve?

There is a shit load of aid getting in, the distribution needs managing so the looters arennt getting it all.

It'll end soon, we can only hope Tom Fletcher is writing another speech as we speak on how the ineffective UN might assist Israel with the next steps.

I sympathise with the children of course, but I cannot control who the parents support politically-why didn’t Palestine take so
long to condemn Hamas? Hamas manipulating the media when they intercept 80% of aid - the price of food in Gaza indicates stock levels. So insane to me that mothers are so anti Israel, so naive

You're literally arguing black is white.

And I've repeatedly pointed out that I don't have blind belief in Israel.

You're literally just posting lies. Its not worth engaging with you. In fact, youre not engaged in a conversation at all, youre just propagandising.

There is no evidence of Hamas stealing aid.

Direct your vitriol to Hamas, they have the leverage. Innately evil but still have the support of British mothers - how?

Yes there is! You think they don’t monitor price of food of Gaza?

'Palestine and Hamas are two different things. It’s been made clear by myself and many other posters that we do not support Hamas'

Well prove it and actually blame hamas and their many supporters in gaza occasionally. Admit that just because they don't wear their fetching green outfits and stop for selfies does not mean they aren't looting and nicking the aid.

Do you work for the UN perchance?

Also no one replies to my question about why Palestine rejected offers of becoming a state? The replies I have had skirt around that and focus on distinguishing between Hamas and Palestine 😂

Ok, but can you answer the questions I asked or do you not know?

You mentioned rereading syndrome which is a very specific thing, so I assume you have some knowledge on acute famine and have some basis for thinking that’s going to be a significant issue for the population of Gaza?

I’m just interested to know how many people you think that’s going to include…

Hamas would kill you at dawn, no qualms. Why is it the people who benefit the most from western values seem to enjoy it so much they actively speak out against it and support oppressive regimes? Irony there somewhere

Nope.

No baby deserves to starve.

Again, you haven’t really addressed my main point which is, if people haven’t chosen to have babies during a war, do they think the children being born are the result of forced conception?

There was a war 9 months ago.