A famine has been declared in Gaza city

[SaltAirAndTheRust]

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481

Meanwhile, up to 80,000 troops are being prepared to start an offensive there. There are no longer any words

@Zonder @SharonEllis

‘Dangerous behaviour’ - I’m sure in the West Bank that means trying to stop settlers stealing your home/land. Because it’s not just an issue in Gaza. It’s an issue for all Palestinians. And you can defend arresting people who threaten or harm other people - that’s understandable - but their most common charge - throwing stones. And then they end up in disgusting conditions.

It’s an embarrassment to the Israeli justice system and an effective way of radicalising young Palestinian people against Israel.

You can try to compare it to the Uk but I don’t think our detention centres for children are comparable to what’s happening in Israel to Palestinian children.

https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/2024/physical-abuse-infectious-disease-spreading-as-conditions-for-palestinian-children-in-israeli-military-detention-deteriorate

https://time.com/6548068/palestinian-children-israeli-prison-arrested/#

i don’t think there’s any point even trying to tell them. Every source is dismissed as Hamas propaganda, they insist that every single person being held is a criminal and if they’re not, it’s better safe than sorry.

Exactly.

And this from a pp is interesting!
"I don't know enough about the detail but Israel is not operating under what we would consider normal conditions in the face of constant and extreme terrorist threat."

Like people in Gaza couldn't say the exact same thing!

Sadly you're absolutely right @SaltAirAndTheRust

Stones or rocks? If teenagers threw rocks at UK police, should they be let off?

That's not the same as no evidence is it? Military courts are legal.under international law by the way. And you know evidence is often restricted where terrorism is concerned here and in most if not all countries. Neither you nor I have the kniwledge to get into this in depth so I'd suggest holding off on the sweeping unevidenced statements.

They would be arrested here too. As everyone knows.

The fact that you are trying to justify the snatching of innocent Israeli civilians and keeping them in underground tunnels, many of whom are/were starving, injured and ultimately killed, because Israel keeps Palestinians detained for various crimes tells me all I need to know about your views on the conflict, and you’re clearly a lost cause.

Or should they be incarcerated in terrible conditions without a trial? For what "may" have been rocks according to bias.

@Montysmooni don’t think they would be arrested without charge, held in prison for an undetermined period of time and then have their cases heard in secret military courts?

nobody is justifying taking the hostages. Nobody. So stop with that rhetoric.

The fact that you are trying to justify keeping Palestinians hostage for far longer in terrible conditions, starving, injured and killed tells me all I need t know about your views on the conflict.

Fortunately I don't believe many people are truly a lost cause. I guess that makes quite a difference in how we treat people and expect a fair trial.

Did you note what I said about the recent swap of the bodies of four Israeli hostages in exchange for the release of 640 Palestinian prisoners and detainees.

Was that a fair deal?

I agree it’s totally pointless engaging with genocide deniers now. They deny it because they support it - they just don’t have the balls to say so.

It's a snapshot. A tiny snapshot in a huge situation. It's hardly the complete story, is it?

No you're right I was silly to think we could have a vaguely balanced conversation about this.

We can agree on that! Although I live in hope.

Zonder literally started the conversation about hostages vs prisoners. Do try and keep up with the posts, you started this thread after all.

Really? Read back. I wasn't the first. It's a long old conversation that has been going for ages on various MN threads.

There it is. Israel can never do anything right even when the evidence is staring at you in the face. Like I said, a lost cause.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2d3wgg8z51o.amp

Absolutely not. But, again, our approach is very different and aims to ensure they don’t do again. And I think you need to remember the context too. The IDF literally protect illegal settlers attacking Palestinians in the WB. If your home was being taken illegally by armed terrorists, would a 14 year old throwing a stone at them be slightly more understandable?

No one has spoken about Palestinian prisoners on THIS thread. I have been following from the beginning. I have no idea what’s discussed on other threads.

So yes, you are clearly trying to conflate the two.

I wasn’t talking about that though

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5396637-a-famine-has-been-declared-in-gaza-city?reply=146630936&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share

I guess you missed that comment. Certainly wasn't me.

There's no point. All they want to do is prove what Israel is doing wrong. They aren't really interested in discussing the issues.

Quite ironic