UEFA have finally taken a stand

[LifeOfAShowGirl]

https://x.com/uefa/status/1955706670824235327?s=46

A mild, late, spineless stand. But a stand. It makes me wonder how much longer this can go on before governments realise people are fed up of this.

Also there is no thread that is “full of praise for Israel”… they don’t exist.

Some people start threads that they hope will be full of hate for Israel. But opinions vary which is healthy for debate.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-is-committing-war-crimes-and-its-legal-heads-remain-silent/amp/

And again people are being accused of “hatred for Israel” (aka a thinly veiled accusation of anti semitism), because they dare to speak out against the absolute horrors occurring in Gaza.

Yes, Israel is commiting war crimes. Ive talked of them many times on here. Not going to do so now. I hope BN bought to justice for both his internal corruption stuff and his handling of this phase of the conflict.

However. You said Israel has broken the most international laws out of any country in the world. Do you want to walk it back? Or stand by it?

I'll be popping up here as often as I read posts like yours.

Can you answer my question or clarify what you meant?

I'm ok with people speaking out against the horrors in Gaza, criticism of BN, etc. I regularly speak out against them too.

What I'm never ok with is lies, misinformation and racism.

Posting lies, information and hatred literally prolongs momentum for this conflict. It indirectly supports Hamas' aims, to build hatred of Israel.

Thats what I'm here against.

The issue is anything that goes against Israel is stated to be lies, misinformation and racism.

Israel is committing war crimes- yes, I admit it, let's discuss.

Israel has broken international law more than any other nation on earth- no, I dont accept it, sources please, what about Russia etc.

One is legitimate criticism.

The other is misinformation at best, perhaps a misunderstanding? At worst a lie. And as I see it, its posted to create more hatred. Thats what I push back on.

Lies, misinformation and racism is called out where we see it.

Such as dailydebris currently calling out the claim that Israel has broken international law more than any other nation on earth.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-condemned-israel-more-than-all-other-countries-combined-in-2022-monitor/
I think it’s things like this that people are referring to when they say that international law is being broken.
But anyway, it is true to claim that in 2022 Israel was condemned more by the UN than all other counties added together

How has this thread been derailed - is it because we all haven't got the pots and pans and clanged them together, in support of UEFA? There isn't such a thing as a fan thread, on this board.

The 'court' of public opinion would horrify you in the real world. I'm not talking about pre generated tables, I'm talking about every day men and women, who don't agree that Israel are terrorists. I tell you what they do think. They are glad that Israel has got the balls to take on the real terrorists because they are keeping the wolves from the door. Islamic extremism - note extremism, note moderate - is a global threat.

UEFA are Qatar's puppets. Now, on the surface, Qatar will tell you their mission, within the ME is to build harmony. Have you heard of the Muslim Brotherhood? No doubt you will think it's a racist term. Research it if you want. Not all MNers are going to agree with your opinion, which you actually present as fact. Somebody said this board name should be changed to categorically reflect there's a genocide going on. Err, no. They, as you, don't get to dictate what is and isn't worthy of debate.

The UN condemning Israel - who would have thought it. Now if only they had thought to put Hamas on a black list in October 2023. Who's working for them or who are they really working for.

How on earth can the hostages not 'be relevant' .

This is why we come on these threads to challenge stuff like this. On another thread a poster said they were sick of the hostages, sick of Oct 7th. Absolutely staggering as if they were talking about a new Netflix show that was a a bit boring.

'Perhaps it’s best to not engage with them?'

We have another poster who often says this yet they goes on to quote everything I say.

There are 2 sides to this conflict as uefa should know but perhaps too busy cashing cheques to read up on it.

Free the hostages! They will alway be 'relevant' ffs.

Lol I know exactly who you mean.

They target one of us incessantly then move on to another when it doesn't work... keep hoping we will get pressured to go away.

@Thegreyhound We weren't just talking about international law being broken though were we?

The exact accusation was No country has broken so many international laws apart from Israel.

No mention of a specific year in the UN's opinion ... no it was a blanket statement which @justanotherpassword has not come back to defend.

Oh yes, the pile ons. You wouldn't mind if they said something original but those clichés just bore a hole in you.

Going back to the 'irrelevance' of the hostages - doesn't that statement confirm these posters aren't interested in how the arab-Israeli conflict got to where it is now? Well sadly, no. I was told the past wasn't relevant. I always look at how incessant those messages are and read between the lines of those posts.

@Gloriia a fantastic analogy on Netflix! How frighteningly accurate is that?

Of course hostages are relevant.

I don't have time to reply with links but do more research. There are many incidences of Palestinian workers receiving workplace injuries in Israel and being unable to access medical care. You'll be abe to find out why Palestinian workers didn't feel able to complain about mistreatment too.

Your word would spread stuff is just more victim blaming. Poor desperate people take risks, put up with mistreatment, poor conditions, poor pay, grueling long days because as I said they are desperate. That's true the world over. There is a reason agricultural workers tend to come from poor countries not prosperous ones and it isn't because they like working for 17 hours a day in the hot sun.

Israel isn't unique in their treatment of migrant workers but you pretending that Israel was hiring these poor people as some kind of outreach programme to help them just stood out to me as a bizarre reading of the situation, especially when as you say you have seen for yourself how they are generally treated across the ME.

I don't mind the pile ons.

The moving the goalposts once caught in an untruth rather than admitting the untruth is what really gets me.

Mental health all good tho 👍🏼

I don’t like the pile ons or the moving the goalposts or the personal attacks or the exaggerations when the truth is actually bad enough or the emotional manipulations.

They don’t actually upset me anymore though. More like it’s just boring to see the same techniques used by different users all thinking they’re being original.

Exaggerations when the truth is actually bad enough is a big one for me too.

It does make me laugh that you say they’re pile ons, when it’s just people disagreeing with you. And you can’t label everything you disagree with as misinformation.

What have I labeled as misinformation that wasn't actually misinformation, but just something I disagree with? Please point to 1 example?

I’m interested too

That's good to hear x pile ons are only effective, when bombarded with objectivity -not much of that on display. Plenty of personal attacks though.

We've made it clear we can handle the pile ons. I believe that's what then escalates those pile ons. They aren't just posters disagreeing with you, in a healthy debate. They are either trying to shame you or manipulate you - it's called compliance and conformity - funnily enough there's another word for that.