UEFA have finally taken a stand

[LifeOfAShowGirl]

https://x.com/uefa/status/1955706670824235327?s=46

A mild, late, spineless stand. But a stand. It makes me wonder how much longer this can go on before governments realise people are fed up of this.

Disagree they are allies to no one. Israel have been good allies to the UK in the past.

As of 2023 trade exceeded 6.1 billion British pounds. Israel and the UK engage together in scientific research, defence and the development of new technologies, with the UK seeking to tap into Israel's considerable high technology sector through local British initiatives.

The UK since 2011 has sought to partner British companies with Israeli advanced technology companies. The UK Israeli cooperation has generated £1.2 billion as well as 16,000 British jobs of 250 such partnerships.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_Kingdom_relations#:~:text=Relations%20improved%20significantly%20in%20the,for%20UK%20national%20security%20reasons.

Friday 8 August 2025

Uefa has paid more than €10.8m (£9.4m) in “solidarity” funds to Russian football clubs since they were banned from taking part in European tournaments after the Kremlin’s invasion of Ukraine, the Guardian can reveal.

The payments were made despite five Ukrainian clubs failing to receive similar such funds allegedly due to their locations being in a “zone of military operations”.

The revelation will raise fresh concern about Uefa’s approach to the Kremlin.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/uefa-paid-russian-football-clubs-solidarity-funds-invasion-ukraine

As of 2023 trade exceeded 6.1 billion British pounds.

I didn't realise it was that little. Trade with Ireland a country with almost half the population of Israel was over 100 billion. It must be a tiny percentage of Britain's overall trade of its only 5% of their trade with Ireland.

100 billion?

Trade between Great Britain and Ireland dropped more than €6bn in 2024 as post-Brexit frictions hit shipments across the Irish Sea.

The value of imports and exports between the nations fell to about €32bn last year, down from €38bn in 2023, according to Ireland’s Central Statistics Office.

A near-€3bn drop in chemical exports from Ireland to the UK and a €1.6bn fall in shipments of gas and lubricants from Britain into Ireland contributed to the slump in trade.

Overall, exports from Ireland to Great Britain decreased by 10% to just under €16bn year on year, while imports from Britain to Ireland dropped by 21% to €16.6bn.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/17/irish-figures-show-6bn-drop-in-trade-with-great-britain

Yes the Israeli government probably care about Israeli citizens just as much as our governments care about us.

Although I’d argue Israel may care just a tad more in terms of protecting citizens as I doubt they’d welcome thousands of undocumented male migrants of fighting age in their country and allow them free access to society. They also take extremists preaching to and acting to destroy them and take over their country seriously. Unlike Europe I have to say.

Also the government and Israeli aid agencies do seem to care about other countries.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/idf-relief-efforts-around-the-world

I didn’t know they’d helped with the 2016 UK floods and they helped with the earthquake in Thailand and Myanmar this year while being at war.

Have any other ME States offered support like that to other countries?

This government organisation, MASHAV, is also interesting.

https://mashav.mfa.gov.il/

To lead Israel's efforts in empowering individuals and communities in need by sharing tools and expertise to achieve sustainable development and transformation within their own societies.

MASHAV, Israel’s Agency for International Development Cooperation at Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, was established in 1958 following the vision of then Foreign Minister Golda Meir and Prime Minister David Ben Gurion to assist fellow nations overcome development challenges by sharing knowhow and technologies, which provided the basis of Israel’s own development.

I wonder if that’s explains some of the Thai workers at the Kibbutzim’s who were slaughtered and taken hostage on Oct 7th.

You might want to tell your government website that.
£51.6 billion total UK exports to Ireland for the four quarters to the end of Q4 2024. That's just your exports. And guess what you don't have to shake the hands of a child killing land grabbing war criminal for that.

https://www.business.gov.uk/export-from-uk/markets/ireland/

6billion in total with Israel and the government of that country will call you names and smear your country if you don't like having his hand up your ass as a puppeteer.

I wonder if that’s explains some of the Thai workers at the Kibbutzim’s who were slaughtered and taken hostage on Oct 7th.'

@CyberStranger What you mean the workers the are made live in sheds, paid a pittance and subjected to abuse? I think access to cheap labour with absolutely no incentive to treat them like people explains that one.

https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/israel-a-new-report-reveals-100-of-thai-agricultural-workers-were-sexually-assaulted/

A year-long BBC investigation has discovered widespread abuse of Thai nationals living and working in Israel - under a scheme organised by the two governments.

Many are subjected to unsafe working practices and squalid, unsanitary living conditions. Some are overworked, others underpaid and there are dozens of unexplained deaths.

Sounds fab. The UK should send some workers over to their allies, seems like they really value them.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-46311922

Yes we have long welcomed Israel as an ally actually @GladioliGreen

Mock it all you want but that doesn't change the fact that the UK and Israel are allies.

Not forgetting that former British-Israeli hostage Emily Damari is a massive Spurs fan -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04ep4xex6qo

It's such a generic statement, no-one has named anyone - Hamas or Isreal.

One could say it's very much a 'who the cap fits, wears it' statement🤷🏾‍♀️.

Wow! That is awful.

Every Thai agricultural worker was sexually assaulted while in Israel? Men and women? Not clear from the report. I thought the Thai workers were mainly men?

You’d wonder why they were still going over there if they are treated that badly,

I read a story of one of Thai workers slaughtered by Hamas whose family said he enjoyed it there working on an avocado farm and sent them $2,000 a month. obviously after his living costs. A low income in Thailand is around $500 a month although the average wage is $2,700 a month.

The unexplained death report is also not very clear. It looks like there were 22 over 5 years out of 50,000 workers. That’s about 4 a year. It says they were handed over to the Thai embassy for repatriation. Does Thailand not do autopsies?

I know most countries in the ME and Asia treat foreign workers abominably. I have seen it myself while living over there with Phillipino workers in an extremely wealthy country.

Israel seems to have an inspection mechanism which is more than they do IME and if you’re going to single Israel out, do you do so for all those countries too?

I was replying to your post about Thai workers in Israel. That's why I spoke about Thai workers in Israel. You were suggesting that Israel was hiring them as some kind of outreach programme when there is a long documented history of them being treated appalling and being paid badly.

It seems a bit victim blamey to say why are victims of sexual assault there if they are treated that badly?! I would assume the answer is extreme poverty in their home country. People put up with a lot to feed their families. Surely the question that should be asked is who is sexually assaulting them and how can they be protected, not well why are the victims there?

Here is another article that has more info and details why these inspection mechanisms that you speak of don't work. It also has more details of deaths of Thai workers,

www.hrw.org/report/2015/01/21/raw-deal/abuse-thai-workers-israels-agricultural-sector

Yes I did read that one.

That was what I based my answers on.

As it says, 22 unexplained deaths because autopsies weren’t done in Israel. It doesn’t say why. The deaths attributed to SUNDS (which seems to affect that demographic) obviously did have autopsies done.

The report doesn’t differentiate between men and women being sexually assaulted. It says 100% of those surveyed had said they were. I could believe 75%, even 90% but 100% doesn’t sound plausible to me, especially as most of the workers are men. None of the workers spoke in the video, even anonymously and with translation.

Israel is a very small country, you’d expect word to travel among the Thai community fast about these unexplained deaths and sexual assaults. Especially in the Kibbutzims where a lot of the slaughtered Thai workers and those taken hostage (all men) were.

It raises questions that the Israelis in these Kibbutzims had a lot of Palestinian workers right up to.Oct 7th but they haven’t made any accusations about this themselves and the Israelis (who were slaughtered on Oct 7th) also ferried Palestinians to Israeli hospitals but the report says Thai workers were denied medical care?

How does that make sense? Thai workers were treated worse than Palestinians?

Here’s an article about a Gazan who worked in Israel right up until Oct 7th and was killed by Hamas gunmen on his way there. Note what his brother says about his work and how the Israeli farmer and the IDF treated him, although there is a particular spin from this publication, but you can read between the lines quite easily.

https://www.972mag.com/gaza-workers-israel-kibbutzim-massacres/

One could say that yes but generally what one is saying is we know exactly what uefa are getting at encouraged by Saleh's strop.

Don't you think 'stop the war in Gaza' would've been more appropriate? Again, we have to manage expectations, these footie organisations are not renowned for intelligence and awareness but they must have pr folk to advise them.

Oh sweet summer child.

Rwanda- world took no action, in fact pulled out UN peacekeepers, in the end the genocide was stopped by the RPF ( heard of them? ) and France.

Kurds-The US aided Saddam Hussain all through his genocide of the Kurds. They still don't have their own state. Perhaps they need to commit a massacre to draw attention to their cause?

Cambodia- just the Vietnamese.

The Uyghurs are currently undergoing a genocide but tragically their voices aren't being heard in the western world, and no action is being taken against China.

I could go on and on.

The world repeatly fails to take action against awful human rights abuses and genocide.

You seem to think Israel is getting some kind of preferential treatment here?

No country has broken so many international law apart from Israel. Last count was 70 something but they’ve all started merging into one. Saddam Hussain broke TWO and war was triggered by America and Britain.

Yes some of the others you mentioned are hideous. What’s going on in Sudan. Starvation and people are discussing it but it doesn’t have its own board on this platform but the crisis in the Middle East does.

No country has broken so many international laws as Israel?

How could you know this?
I wasn't aware there was a ranking system but fgs Iraq under Saddam? Russia under Putin? I'm sure the UK in her thousands of years of history would absolutely eclipse Israel in the international law breaking front.

I can't believe some of the stuff I read on here. Surely 2m of thought would have stopped you from saying that?

I have noticed that every thread that isn’t full of praise for Israel is always derailed by the same 3 or 4 posters who will come on, refuse to accept anything less than positive about Israel, make increasingly outlandish claims and then eventually throw around accusations of antisemitism and racism. Perhaps it’s best to not engage with them?

It’s not me saying it. Do your own research. Do you think Isreal hasn’t broken any international laws? For crying out loud even the settlers are illegal and not recognised by international law.

Do you think im one of them?

It’s not derailing for people to express different opinions to you and almost every thread on MN is going to have people expressing different opinions.

Im sure you can find echo chambers elsewhere if that’s what you want.

Which posters are they? And why would you need a thread to only echo what you think, it’s a public forum

But the threads always end the same way. The same posters come on, mention the hostages even when not relevant and then start throwing accusations about.

Do you mean has gone against UN resolutions?

Because you can't honestly mean Israel has broken international law the most out of all countries in the world?

I do do my research. Im mainly here to push back on misinformation and question people's hatred for Israel. Hence my question to you... do you honestly think Israel has broken more international laws than Russia, for example?

What accusations have been thrown your way today?