UEFA have finally taken a stand

[LifeOfAShowGirl]

https://x.com/uefa/status/1955706670824235327?s=46

A mild, late, spineless stand. But a stand. It makes me wonder how much longer this can go on before governments realise people are fed up of this.

I’d be careful, you might be accused of ‘emotional manipulation’ talking about this.

You can call it a genocide if you want, that is some people's opinion. But like the UK government, I consider it is better described currently as a war.

I will take you focussing on that instead of the content of my post as you acknowledging that I didn't mention children or say it's reasonable that they are getting killed.

I said that Netanyahu's demands for bringing the war to an end are reasonable (replace the word war with genocide if your head if you want).

en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/28/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-say-israel-based-human-rights-groups

https://press.un.org/en/2024/gapal1473.doc.htm

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2024/is-israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza/

it is a genocide.

there are no justifications for genocide.

Netanyahu doesn't want the war to drag on indefinitely, that's Hamas. Netanyhu is so keen to end the war he has recently given Hamas a timescale they absolutely have to do it by - 7th October or he takes Gaza City. He wouldn't have given that warning if he didn't want to send a signal to Hamas that they have 2 months to agree a ceasefire or the consequences will be horrific.

Netanyahu's demands seem fair to anyone that doesn't support Hamas.

Release the hostages - sounds reasonable
Hamas disarm - yes of course
Hamas leave Gaza - yes, would be better for everyone (but them)

I know some of you struggle with opinion versus fact.

UK government calls it a war, I think they are a better authority than Amnesty.

That's another example of an opinion by the way.

Amnesty international don't know their arses from their elbows. I'd ignore their definitions tbh.

They thought arresting some of the oap intifida <made me lol @twiglets1> was 'disproportionate' despite supporting a terrorist group being illegal.

The guardian? Well who care what they say. I bet a cursory google of anyone they quote will reveal a keffiyeh wearing Dr.

It is a war. People sadly die particularly when there are clowns like hamas intent on killing their own people.

Although I’m aware I’ve already been told my facts are ‘boring’ this morning, I think I’ll trust the following list of organisations and experts who have publicly stated that Israel is committing genocide, rather than the UK government, who continue to sell arms to Israel…

• United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Occupied Palestinian Territories, Francesca Albanese
• International Court of Justice (ICJ)
• International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH)
• Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor
• Medical Aid for Palestinians (MAP)
• Oxfam
• UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR)
• International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC)
• Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention
• Arab Parliament
• Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC)
• Arab League
• Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR)
• Jewish Voice for Peace
• Physicians for Human Rights – Israel (PHR-I)
• Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF)
• Amnesty International
• Human Rights Watch (HRW)
• Al Mezan Center for Human Rights
• Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR)
• B’Tselem
• European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR)
• Lawyers for Palestinian Human Rights
• United Nations Special Committee on Palestine
• International Commission of Jurists (ICJ)
• 880 scholars of international law and genocide studies
• 100 civil society organisations and six genocide scholars
• Quaker organisations (American Friends Service Committee and others)”

I would just like to highlight that @Gloriia has previously refused to state where they get any of their ‘verified’ sources from, yet has discredited just about everyone…

Hamas started it.

Blaming Israel is appalling I'd ask for that to be deleted if I were you. Mind we have the op saying hostages weren't relevant so I won't hold my breath.

I hope so

This is a misleading statement:

“Netanyhu is so keen to end the war he has recently given Hamas a timescale they absolutely have to do it by - 7th October or he takes Gaza City.”

Israel has already been taking Gaza City. Netanyahu hasn’t given Hamas a timescale starting 7th October; the military push there has been ongoing since the war began.

Sending threats of total destruction isn’t the same as wanting a ceasefire or peace. If Netanyahu truly wanted the war to end, he wouldn’t repeatedly break agreements, block aid, or prolong the blockade that’s starving civilians.

You can deny reality, facts and verified evidence all you like- it doesn't make it go away. People have already woken up to the reality on the ground. I just hope you can handle the cognitive dissonance that hits you when all of this comes out.

I just refuse to engage with them sincerely after they’ve said that they’re against messages calling for children to not be killed.

You can't help engaging with us. Nor can another poster who sniffily said they would NOT engage with me yet quotes me constantly.

You said the hostages are irrelevant. Do you retract that?

Do you retract your disgusting statements around children’s deaths being justified?

Multiple credible reports show Israeli intelligence knew about the October 7 attacks well in advance but failed to act. So no, it’s not accurate to say Hamas ‘started’ the war unilaterally. It’s also not inaccurate to say that Israel’s inaction contributed directly to the massacre.

Anyway, @Gloriia I genuinely struggle to follow your posts. The way you present things actively undermines any pro-Israel argument.

The cabinet decision states that Palestinians will have until October 7, 2025, to evacuate Gaza City — a two-month window that also coincides with the second anniversary of Hamas’s attack on Israel, the Israeli official said. The IDF will then launch its ground offensive into Gaza City, placing a siege on the area in order to kill any remaining Hamas operatives.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bucking-idf-warnings-security-cabinet-approves-netanyahus-plan-to-conquer-gaza-city/

Actually, Israel has already launched its ground offensive in Gaza City. I guess I know that because I rely on a range of credible sources, not just ‘The Times Israel.’

Please c&p where I have said children's deaths are justified.

What I have said is sadly in a war there will be casualties. We've seen it in other places have you heard of Yemen? Syria? The problem is in gaza the terrorists hide among the civilians therefore they increase the civilian deaths. It's awful isn't it. You'd think like Israel they'd want to protect their people but nope.

We should all join together and make a banner saying 'end the conflict' or 'fuck hamas'?

The hostages though, irrelevant you said?

These actions: targeting civilians, bombing hospitals and schools, starving entire populations, and killing children, are not just tragic consequences of war. They constitute clear violations of international law and are considered war crimes and potential crimes against humanity.

This is not a war.