Palestine Action demo 9 August

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To my amazement, last night I discovered that some posters on MN think that "radical Islam" means simply "Muslim" 😬

I wonder if this explains why so many are unconcerned about who might be pulling the strings behind the "peace" rallies that were first organised on 7 October? Do they know what radical Islam is, how powerful it is, that it is widely acknowledged as the greatest threat to UK national security, that its intentions are clearly stated, that it is 10000000% different than simply observing Muslim faith?

Palestine Action are planning a rally in central London on Saturday and hope to overwhelm the police presence. Is anyone concerned about this? I'm worried that the seeds of civil unrest are being sown, without it being entirely clear who is sowing them.

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-police-palestine-action-protest-b1241347.html

If you can’t describe it then you can’t understand it.

What about the bludgeoning with sledgehammers?

Have you not heard of LIDL plus?!

French priest murdered, Australian cafe customers held hostage and shot, Bataclan, Madrid train bombing, and let’s not forget the most significant victims - those oppressed and murdered by the Horseman of Death that was ISIS/Caliphate.

Islamism is the objectively, quantifiably, confirmed biggest terrorism threat. Only absolute jokers would compare it to the riots and protests taking place here. It’s insulting, actually most insulting to those forced to live hell under ISIS, if they haven’t already been murdered.

Stop it you , Im bloody howling😆 🤣 really must get on x

Can you tell me how those were linked to Palestine action? As far as I’m aware that group didn’t even exist then 🤷♀️

You said you were more afraid of the far right (funny as Islamism is far right) than of Islamism. Did I get that wrong and do you in fact disagree with that statement?

By members of Palestine action?

It's possible to describe all sorts of things that aren't understood, faith relies on it. Perhaps you mean explain.

No I said I was more afraid of the Yaxley Lennon supporter types, the “we hate asylum seekers/immigrants” types than members of Palestine action. First page I think, on a thread about a Palestine action demo.

Yes!

How can people be supporting this group and claiming that they are peaceful protestors when they do stuff like this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mnnje4wlro.amp

“A vehicle was used to ram the entrance of the Bristol HQ of defence technology firm Elbit Systems on Bolingbroke Way in Patchway, on the outskirts of Bristol, shortly before 04:00 BST.
Employees and police officers who intervened were assaulted, Avon and Somerset Constabulary said, and six people were arrested.
Sledgehammers, axes, whips and other homemade weapons were seized, police added.
During the incident, two officers were assaulted with a sledgehammer, police said.
One of the officers was taken to hospital with injuries to her back and has since been discharged, while the other officer received medical treatment at the scene after being struck on the back of his legs.
An employee of the business was also treated by paramedics for an injury to their head”

What do you think the link is between radical Islam and Defend our Juries who are hosting the silent protest on Saturday?
I understand the protest is to challenge the proscription of P.Action as a terrorise group, which if left unchallenged had worrying consequences for the right to protest (economic damage being one aspect of protests which are usually dealt with as a civil/criminal matter rather than using terrorise laws).
Do you have any evidence of a link or are you just worried about connections?

Oh right I see, apologies.

I think I would conclude the same based on what I can see as I think Palestine Action are useful idiots but not the types I would worry about being around physically. The TR supporters are thugs and with thuggery usually comes misogyny. But the overall aims are, I think, different. Palestine Action wants a fundamental Islamist state to be created next to Israel, with huge potential for terror cells etc. Whereas TR supporters want curbed immigration in various degrees, which I also do. They are racists though, I’ve seen their comments.

@Bunion8 but the issue isn’t “economic” damage is it? If Al Qaeda directly claimed responsibility for an attack akin to the Brize Norton one would you still see it as legitimate protest or would you see it as terrorism?

Neither of which are reasons to advocate that people shouldn't be allowed to peacefully protest for freedom for Palestine. Protestors harming property or people, or actively threatening people, should be tried under the law, but I'm not for whole movements being banned unless they have outwardly stated intent to harm others as part of their reason for existing.

As a Jew, I'm not scared of protestors, but I am concerned about the consequences of my supposed safety being used as a means to stifle freedom of expression. The kind of people who use that will be the kind of people quick to turn on us if they decide we're longer useful.

Again, I’ll ask “where’s the link to radical terrorism”. I’m genuinely interested as I support the right to protest, but if the group had been hijacked by terrorist groups I’d like to know. I’ve just checked and Islam was not mentioned in the court case against them so why are you linking them…. unless you know better than the Judiciary?

Pslestine Action have also been given the right to appeal the decision that proscribed them a terrorist group which wouldn’t have happened if they didn’t have a firm legal claim.

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Huda-Ammori-v-Secretary-of-State-for-the-Home-Department-Appeal.pdf

Thanks for this. God knows I think Just Stop Oil are troublesome fools and SY-L and his ilk are a deeply unpleasant and dangerous stain on the country but they’re hardly comparable to Islamist terrorism. I can’t believe people are so blasé about the Brize Norton incident.

Forgive me, but as a Jew, you don't speak on behalf of all Jews. If we are being told that calling out antisemitism shuts down debate, then why can't Islamic extremism be discussed, without being told we are racist. Your part about being 'useful' and Jews' use expiring, I won't comment, other than to say, I find that ironic.

That's the extent of the brainwashing. You are convinced to turn your back on your fellow countrymen, in support of an ideology, that wants to destroy you. It's absolutely mind boggling.

The ideology precedes the latest useful crusade by centuries, or rather millennia.

Do people really believe that breaking into a UK Airforce base and inflicting damage on Military Aircraft (at huge expense to the taxpayer) with the specific aim of impacting the UK’s military capabilities is legitimate protest?

I wonder in which countries this wouldn’t be regarded as an act of terrorism?

Palestine Action support non-violent protests.
Economic damage does not a terrorist make
The attack on Brize Norton highlighted the direct link between the RAF supporting Israel’s bombing of Gaza.

What does this have to do with Palestine Action.

What about the attacking police officers with a sledgehammer? Was that non-violent?

@Bunion8 that view is very much out of step with the majority of the British people who do not see attacks such as the one on Brize Norton as simply “economic damage” nor as a legitimate protest.

Even Just Stop Oil has belatedly recognised how counter productive their protests have been. It’s time Palestine Action read the room.