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Conflict in the Middle East

Israeli cleric Rabbi Ronen Shaulov calls for the starvation of all civilians in Gaza

323 replies

TulipLavender · 03/08/2025 01:35

https://youtube.com/shorts/RFFcB8mEabs?si=Fo30dm4_Qy2sLjhP

He says every child in Gaza should starve to death.

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https://youtube.com/shorts/RFFcB8mEabs?si=Fo30dm4_Qy2sLjhP

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ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 10:30

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 10:25

@ConscientiousObserver even Times of Israel call UN watch a Pro Israel Lobby Group.

Maybe because the UN seems to have an obsession with Israel.

From 2015-2023:

UN resolutions against Israel - 154
UN resolutions against ROW - 71

https://unwatch.org/2024-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-of-the-world/

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 10:35

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 10:30

Maybe because the UN seems to have an obsession with Israel.

From 2015-2023:

UN resolutions against Israel - 154
UN resolutions against ROW - 71

https://unwatch.org/2024-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-of-the-world/

Stop killing innocent people and they won't have to pass resolutions.

Glad you agree they are not unbiased.

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 10:44

Voxon · 05/08/2025 09:14

Quoting Revelation 3:9 in a conversation about modern Jews or Israel is a known antisemitic tactic. This verse referred to 1st-century religious disputes, not to delegitimise an entire people or faith.

For shame. You should be embarrassed.

@Wintersgirl also

Christians can quote their Bible

Understading of the Revelations passage is up for interpretation. I see your have swung it against all Jews so think it’s anti semitic

My understanding is quite different and therefore not anti semitic

To throw out insults based on what you’ve been told of the New Testament without questioning the text …..is on you.
Not a Christian

Twiglets1 · 05/08/2025 10:47

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 10:35

Stop killing innocent people and they won't have to pass resolutions.

Glad you agree they are not unbiased.

If they are not unbiased then they are biased.

Which appears to be the case if you look at the stats from 2015.

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 10:48

Agreed UN Watch are not unbiased.

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 10:55

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 10:48

Agreed UN Watch are not unbiased.

Agree
Of course they are not biased

Israeli supporters ( and I don’t mean all of them) think anyone who speaks against their Governments actions or even just in favour of the Palestinian people must be biased.

They call them anti semitic. They un recognise them as legitimate. We’ve seen Netanyahu do it

What utter dictatorspeak

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 10:59

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 10:55

Agree
Of course they are not biased

Israeli supporters ( and I don’t mean all of them) think anyone who speaks against their Governments actions or even just in favour of the Palestinian people must be biased.

They call them anti semitic. They un recognise them as legitimate. We’ve seen Netanyahu do it

What utter dictatorspeak

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Absolutely

I have just actually read the resolutions there as posted upthread and to be honest my first thought is not how biased the UN are but how absolutely awful the behavior of Israeli Governments since 2015 (and long before) is.

quantumbutterfly · 05/08/2025 11:00

Wintersgirl · 05/08/2025 01:09

Book of Revalations 3.9 makes interesting reading...

Meanwhile in the real world....

PaxAeterna · 05/08/2025 11:20

I’ve never heard of Jewish Human Rights watch. I have no opinion on them at all.

I can see from the report straight away that it is spending a lot of time cherry picking out social media posts by staff members which in simply not a strong argument for proving institutional bias.

The language in the report is more akin to a tabloid newspaper than a valid report: Has this been peer reviewed? Was there independent legal analysis?

And finally, and this is something very common, it’s not engaging at all with the specific criticism that Amnesty has leveraged at Israeli state actions. It’s time is spent trying to discredit the organisation. It is better for reports like these to, in short, put energy into providing evidence that the Amnesty reports themselves are not true.

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 13:12

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 10:59

Absolutely

I have just actually read the resolutions there as posted upthread and to be honest my first thought is not how biased the UN are but how absolutely awful the behavior of Israeli Governments since 2015 (and long before) is.

Exactly
With an open mind we see the reality

Jujujudo · 05/08/2025 13:31

Voxon · 03/08/2025 23:22

You seem to be throwing around terms like “indoctrination” and “DARVO” without understanding either. Add irony to the list perhaps.

Let’s start with your original claim: that Israelis are indoctrinated to want the death of all Palestinians.

That’s not just accusing a few individuals of racism or bias. It’s an allegation of systematic, state-sponsored brainwashing to murder.

Indoctrination is not a synonym for “some people hold ugly views.”

It implies that:

The education system,

The media,

The political leadership,

The cultural norms

…are all working together to instil genocidal hatred in the entire population.

That’s what you accused Israel of.

You think YouTube clips of hateful Israelis are evidence. That’s anecdotal evidence of a fringe opinion, not proof of indoctrination.

If that’s your standard, then America is indoctrinating its citizens via neo-Nazi podcasts, far-right rallies, and YouTubers calling for race wars because SOME Americans are like that.

Now contrast this with what’s documented in Palestinian territories, particularly under the Palestinian Authority and Hamas:

Textbooks teaching martyrdom, jihad, and antisemitic conspiracy theories.

Children’s TV shows glorifying suicide bombers.

Schools, streets, and camps named after terrorists.

Official government budgets paying salaries to convicted murderers of civilians.

Public speeches celebrating the murder of Jews as holy acts.

That’s indoctrination.

As for your use of DARVO - “Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender” - that’s rich.

You claimed Israelis are indoctrinated to want genocide. I responded with hard data disproving that and showing exactly where indoctrination is happening.

And now you’re the one denying, attacking, and trying to reverse victim and offender. To be clear:

Palestinians are indoctrinated to hate Jews.
The reverse that you are claiming is a lie.

Indoctrination is not “some people hold nasty views.” Indoctrination is when hate is embedded in official systems - schools, media, politics, law.

There is no evidence Israel teaches children to hate Palestinians, let alone glorify killing them. It's an outlandish claim.

And yes, Palestinian media, leaders, and textbooks openly glorify murderers. That’s not my opinion - it’s documented by the EU, the UN, the US Congress, and multiple watchdogs. If you’d even bothered to look beyond your echo chamber, you’d know that.

Nurit Peled-Elhanan is a fringe academic whose work has been criticised across the board for cherry-picking and projecting her own ideology onto the entire Israeli education system. Even she doesn’t claim Israeli schools teach children to want Palestinians dead. She argues about representation - terms used, map borders, demographic framing. Is that a debate worth having? Sure. But don’t insult everyone’s intelligence by pretending it's equivalent to teaching 10-year-olds that blowing up Jews is godly.

If Israeli schools did what Palestinian ones do - taught kids to idolise murderers and dream of martyrdom - you’d never shut up about it. But because it’s Palestinians doing the indoctrinating, you blithely ignore it and come up with ridiculous slurs against an entire nation to make it look like the narrative is reversed.

Own it, retract it, or keep embarrassing yourself. Up to you.

If Israel had released a video of a skeletal, starved Palestinian being forced to dig his own grave, everyone would have lost their minds.
Interesting how there is complete silence after the horrific images we have been seeing of a starved hostage.
I now know how it was possible for over half the world’s population of Jews to have been slaughtered with the full support of European citizens, right under their noses.
I understand now.
One day in the future, the truth WILL come out. For most Jews and Israelis it may be too late.

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 05/08/2025 13:51

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 10:30

Maybe because the UN seems to have an obsession with Israel.

From 2015-2023:

UN resolutions against Israel - 154
UN resolutions against ROW - 71

https://unwatch.org/2024-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-of-the-world/

Urgh, it sounds like when a kid is saying it's not fair that they get told off more, and clearly it's because the teacher hates them, even if actually just the their behaviour is bad.

Twiglets1 · 05/08/2025 13:55

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 05/08/2025 13:51

Urgh, it sounds like when a kid is saying it's not fair that they get told off more, and clearly it's because the teacher hates them, even if actually just the their behaviour is bad.

So Israel’s behaviour over the last 10 years has been worse than the rest of the world’s put together? I don’t think so… the world is a pretty fucked up place whatever you think of Israel’s actions in that time frame.

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 14:41

Jujujudo · 05/08/2025 13:31

If Israel had released a video of a skeletal, starved Palestinian being forced to dig his own grave, everyone would have lost their minds.
Interesting how there is complete silence after the horrific images we have been seeing of a starved hostage.
I now know how it was possible for over half the world’s population of Jews to have been slaughtered with the full support of European citizens, right under their noses.
I understand now.
One day in the future, the truth WILL come out. For most Jews and Israelis it may be too late.

Everyone isn’t losing their minds over the images of Starving Palestinians either. An ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing. Happening now!
Why is that

The truth I believe is already out. We see it and we see what Netanyahus policies and the actions of the IDF and all of their supporters turning a blind eye are doing to the people of Palestine.

I agree, for those dictating the actions of this war it is too late.
They will never be able to gain respect and hopefully they will be tried in a court of law for their war crimes.

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 14:47

Twiglets1 · 05/08/2025 09:30

@DrPrunesqualer your last point, what is wrong with giving more money to NGOs for Gaza?

You point out there’s a war on but are you aware there are many other wars & humanitarian crises happening around the world, not just in Gaza?

Why is Gaza more worthy of financial support than civilians suffering in other places? Could this be more evidence of bias?

Of course not.
They support many countries.
Whats wrong with supporting the people of Gaza

Twiglets1 · 05/08/2025 15:00

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 14:47

Of course not.
They support many countries.
Whats wrong with supporting the people of Gaza

UN resolutions against Israel - 154
UN resolutions against Rest Of World - 71

Since 2015... and you don't see any anti Israel bias in those statistics?

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 15:05

Twiglets1 · 05/08/2025 15:00

UN resolutions against Israel - 154
UN resolutions against Rest Of World - 71

Since 2015... and you don't see any anti Israel bias in those statistics?

given their actions in Gaza over decades I’m not surprised they have many resolutions against Israel.

Id be extremely surprised if the UN ignored it all. They simply wouldn’t be trusted by the world.

Id be asking myself what has Israel done to justify this. Not branding them as biased.

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 15:06

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 10:59

Absolutely

I have just actually read the resolutions there as posted upthread and to be honest my first thought is not how biased the UN are but how absolutely awful the behavior of Israeli Governments since 2015 (and long before) is.

Did you even bother to read the analysis alongside the table of resolutions?

Obviously not.

How can the UN pass resolutions on Israel while totally ignoring the terrorist entities working to try to annihilate them and the security implications that creates.

Batshit.

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 15:07

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 15:06

Did you even bother to read the analysis alongside the table of resolutions?

Obviously not.

How can the UN pass resolutions on Israel while totally ignoring the terrorist entities working to try to annihilate them and the security implications that creates.

Batshit.

Exactly @Martymcfly24 .

Twiglets1 · 05/08/2025 15:13

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 15:05

given their actions in Gaza over decades I’m not surprised they have many resolutions against Israel.

Id be extremely surprised if the UN ignored it all. They simply wouldn’t be trusted by the world.

Id be asking myself what has Israel done to justify this. Not branding them as biased.

Don't you think other places have equally done things that the UN should be interested in? Is it just Israel? I know this is pointless but the stats are so clear it shows your level of determination to only see bad in Israel that you think these stats do not show bias.

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 15:21

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 05/08/2025 13:51

Urgh, it sounds like when a kid is saying it's not fair that they get told off more, and clearly it's because the teacher hates them, even if actually just the their behaviour is bad.

Has that kid got terrorists trying vowing to, and trying to kill them and their community, on multiple fronts though? You’d have thought the teacher would have taken that into account?

If you want to use that analogy, imagine you’re a kid and your mum was raped and slaughtered, your Dad’s head was cut off, your sisters were burned alive, your baby brother was taken hostage to be starved and used to taunt you, your community was decimated and your teacher told you to get over it, and make peace with the perpetrators, because they were just annoyed they’d been prevented from doing that years ago.

Would you think that teacher was taking the piss a bit?

Jujujudo · 05/08/2025 15:22

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 14:41

Everyone isn’t losing their minds over the images of Starving Palestinians either. An ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing. Happening now!
Why is that

The truth I believe is already out. We see it and we see what Netanyahus policies and the actions of the IDF and all of their supporters turning a blind eye are doing to the people of Palestine.

I agree, for those dictating the actions of this war it is too late.
They will never be able to gain respect and hopefully they will be tried in a court of law for their war crimes.

Whatever. I’m done arguing.

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 15:28

Twiglets1 · 05/08/2025 15:13

Don't you think other places have equally done things that the UN should be interested in? Is it just Israel? I know this is pointless but the stats are so clear it shows your level of determination to only see bad in Israel that you think these stats do not show bias.

Again. I’d be more focussed on what has Israel done to deserve those resolutions

I wouldnt assume the UN only pass resolutions because they’ve got it in for one country. That’s denial of Israel’s wrong doing

It’s like calling anyone who disagrees with Israeli actions as anti Semitic
It’s the same as assuming most people marching for peace and the Palestinian people must be anti Semitic

The resolutions against Israel are an acknowledgment of their wrong doing. Quite right!

Twiglets1 · 05/08/2025 15:41

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 15:28

Again. I’d be more focussed on what has Israel done to deserve those resolutions

I wouldnt assume the UN only pass resolutions because they’ve got it in for one country. That’s denial of Israel’s wrong doing

It’s like calling anyone who disagrees with Israeli actions as anti Semitic
It’s the same as assuming most people marching for peace and the Palestinian people must be anti Semitic

The resolutions against Israel are an acknowledgment of their wrong doing. Quite right!

I know you would be "more focussed on what Israel has done" than focused on trying to work out whether those statistics look right using common sense.

That's the problem.

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 15:43

Twiglets1 · 05/08/2025 15:41

I know you would be "more focussed on what Israel has done" than focused on trying to work out whether those statistics look right using common sense.

That's the problem.

I don’t have a problem with their resolutions. I believe they act fairly and responsibly.
I understand not everyone is happy with them

I’m not surprised supporters of Israel aren’t happy. In recent resolutions they tried to include inappropriate language to a resolution. I understand why that would be irrelevant to the purpose.

You don’t agree with Neither does the Israeli Government
Fine