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Conflict in the Middle East

Israeli cleric Rabbi Ronen Shaulov calls for the starvation of all civilians in Gaza

323 replies

TulipLavender · 03/08/2025 01:35

https://youtube.com/shorts/RFFcB8mEabs?si=Fo30dm4_Qy2sLjhP

He says every child in Gaza should starve to death.

Before you continue to YouTube

https://youtube.com/shorts/RFFcB8mEabs?si=Fo30dm4_Qy2sLjhP

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Wintersgirl · 05/08/2025 01:09

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2025 13:11

These people believe that this is what their god would want? They are monsters.

Book of Revalations 3.9 makes interesting reading...

SomeWomanSomewhere · 05/08/2025 01:14

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 00:54

Seriously!

He’s the PM. He sets the military objectives.

They’ve been the same since the beginning of the war.

Have they been reached?

He's internationally wanted for war crimes and crimes against humanity. He is domestically on trial for corruption related charges. In any sane world, his career would have been over in 1996 (when he led rallies that featured then PM and shortly afterwards assassinated Rabin in a noose). There is video footage of him going as far back as the early 1990s explaining how Iran was only months away from having nukes, from the early 2000s of him explaining to the US congress what untold positive reverberations invading Iraq would have on the entire region. Of him in a supposedly private setting bragging about how easy it is to manipulate US opinions. Most recently of him A/B testing "ISIS" vs "Nazis" language.

There is a whole documentary on his corruption called "the Bibi Files". Pretty freely available.

There's that hot mic moment of then French and US presidents respectively Sarkozy (himself convicted of corruption) and Obama bitching to each other about how much he lies.

There's also that one from his very first premiership where he pissed off Clinton into ranting about who he thought was the superpower here.

There are the psychological profiles that tend to converge on "he's a manipulative narcissist and he doesn't do well under pressure".

There is the ideology, which is "pragmatically flexible but always in the family tradition - which is revisionist zionism as per Jabotinsky plus/minus a few inches".

There is the stated goal of preventing a Palestinian state at all cost.

And yet: there is also the opportunism. He would embrace literal bloody anarcho-syndicalism if he thought it would keep him afloat.

... but sure ... you believe him. You do that. I don't.

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 01:20

Nice summary there @SomeWomanSomewhere .

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 01:20

Yeah right.

When great-grandmother Elma Avraham, 84, was released as part of the first deal, she was in critical condition, having been deprived of her medication.
^^
Her daughter, Tal Amano, revealed that the desperate family had tried on several occasions to drop her drugs off with the Red Cross, but they refused even to accept them. After five months in hospital in Israel following her release, the elderly lady pulled through. Others weren’t so lucky.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-843722

https://www.meforum.org/the-red-cross-has-abandoned-israeli-hostages

How the Red Cross failed Israeli hostages | The Jerusalem Post

Has the Red Cross abandoned its humanitarian mission? Critics say its silence on Israeli hostages and ties to Hamas raise serious questions.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-843722

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 01:30

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 01:20

Yeah right.

When great-grandmother Elma Avraham, 84, was released as part of the first deal, she was in critical condition, having been deprived of her medication.
^^
Her daughter, Tal Amano, revealed that the desperate family had tried on several occasions to drop her drugs off with the Red Cross, but they refused even to accept them. After five months in hospital in Israel following her release, the elderly lady pulled through. Others weren’t so lucky.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-843722

https://www.meforum.org/the-red-cross-has-abandoned-israeli-hostages

How could they give her drugs if they didn't know where she was?

And the Middle East Forum is completely Islamophobic (they campaigned to get Tommy Robinson out of jail) so I'll skip that one.

Just in case you missed it earlier so you think Netanyahus military aims of complete annexation of the Gaza Strip are reasonable?

TulipLavender · 05/08/2025 01:36

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 01:01

Whose propaganda have you fallen for?

If you think the UN and the NGOs are unbiased I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

Why has the Red Cross never visited the hostages since they were kidnapped, refused to hand over medication, but helped take out the coffins of dead Israeli babies, a mother and an elderly man all murdered in captivity, to display for Gazans to celebrate over with their children in a sick performance?

I see you responded to one of my posts but obviously couldn’t bring yourself to answer it.

Why was that?

So you think the UN and all NGOs are just biased? Are they all biased in the same direction? On what grounds and for what purpose or reason?

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ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 01:41

SomeWomanSomewhere · 05/08/2025 01:14

He's internationally wanted for war crimes and crimes against humanity. He is domestically on trial for corruption related charges. In any sane world, his career would have been over in 1996 (when he led rallies that featured then PM and shortly afterwards assassinated Rabin in a noose). There is video footage of him going as far back as the early 1990s explaining how Iran was only months away from having nukes, from the early 2000s of him explaining to the US congress what untold positive reverberations invading Iraq would have on the entire region. Of him in a supposedly private setting bragging about how easy it is to manipulate US opinions. Most recently of him A/B testing "ISIS" vs "Nazis" language.

There is a whole documentary on his corruption called "the Bibi Files". Pretty freely available.

There's that hot mic moment of then French and US presidents respectively Sarkozy (himself convicted of corruption) and Obama bitching to each other about how much he lies.

There's also that one from his very first premiership where he pissed off Clinton into ranting about who he thought was the superpower here.

There are the psychological profiles that tend to converge on "he's a manipulative narcissist and he doesn't do well under pressure".

There is the ideology, which is "pragmatically flexible but always in the family tradition - which is revisionist zionism as per Jabotinsky plus/minus a few inches".

There is the stated goal of preventing a Palestinian state at all cost.

And yet: there is also the opportunism. He would embrace literal bloody anarcho-syndicalism if he thought it would keep him afloat.

... but sure ... you believe him. You do that. I don't.

Edited

Obama bitching that he lies? Pissed off Clinton?

Wow.

Hmm the Bibi files was released in 2024 after footage was leaked from his corruption trial in 2023. Oops what a coincidence.

Quick synopsis seems to be lots of people bitching about him.

Still believe him than Hamas.

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/08/2025 01:48

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 01:41

Obama bitching that he lies? Pissed off Clinton?

Wow.

Hmm the Bibi files was released in 2024 after footage was leaked from his corruption trial in 2023. Oops what a coincidence.

Quick synopsis seems to be lots of people bitching about him.

Still believe him than Hamas.

Many of them Israelis. Google Crime Minister.

Many, many Israelis oppose Netenyahu, seeing him for the enemy to Israel that he is.

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 01:48

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 01:30

How could they give her drugs if they didn't know where she was?

And the Middle East Forum is completely Islamophobic (they campaigned to get Tommy Robinson out of jail) so I'll skip that one.

Just in case you missed it earlier so you think Netanyahus military aims of complete annexation of the Gaza Strip are reasonable?

Did you miss that they refused to even accept them? They could have given them to Hamas who they seemed quite comfortable with at the Bibas family fake funeral?

That exerpt was from the Jerusalem Post. Do you have a problem with that as well?

The Middle East Forum -

Mission
MEF promotes American interests in the Middle East and protects Western values from Middle Eastern threats.
The Forum sees the region — with its profusion of dictatorships, radical ideologies, existential conflicts, border disagreements, corruption, political violence, and weapons of mass destruction — as a major source of problems for the United States. Accordingly, we urge bold measures to protect Americans and their allies.
In the Middle East, we focus on ways to defeat radical Islam; work for Palestinian acceptance of Israel; develop strategies to contain Iran; and deal with the great advances of anarchy.
At home, the Forum emphasizes the danger of lawful Islamism; protects the freedoms of anti-Islamist authors, activists, and publishers; and works to improve Middle East studies. It provides strategic counsel, as opposed to advocacy or apologetics.

Does that offend you?

The U.S. Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island, is known as the Navy's "home of thought."

The Middle East Forum: Strategy, not Advocacy

The Middle East Forum Provides Strategic Counsel, as Opposed to Advocacy or Apologetics

https://www.meforum.org/mef-online/the-middle-east-forum-strategy-not-advocacy

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 01:50

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 01:48

Did you miss that they refused to even accept them? They could have given them to Hamas who they seemed quite comfortable with at the Bibas family fake funeral?

That exerpt was from the Jerusalem Post. Do you have a problem with that as well?

The Middle East Forum -

Mission
MEF promotes American interests in the Middle East and protects Western values from Middle Eastern threats.
The Forum sees the region — with its profusion of dictatorships, radical ideologies, existential conflicts, border disagreements, corruption, political violence, and weapons of mass destruction — as a major source of problems for the United States. Accordingly, we urge bold measures to protect Americans and their allies.
In the Middle East, we focus on ways to defeat radical Islam; work for Palestinian acceptance of Israel; develop strategies to contain Iran; and deal with the great advances of anarchy.
At home, the Forum emphasizes the danger of lawful Islamism; protects the freedoms of anti-Islamist authors, activists, and publishers; and works to improve Middle East studies. It provides strategic counsel, as opposed to advocacy or apologetics.

Does that offend you?

You ignored my last question I note?

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 01:55

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 01:30

How could they give her drugs if they didn't know where she was?

And the Middle East Forum is completely Islamophobic (they campaigned to get Tommy Robinson out of jail) so I'll skip that one.

Just in case you missed it earlier so you think Netanyahus military aims of complete annexation of the Gaza Strip are reasonable?

I’m not military so not qualified to give an opinion, are you?

Edited your add - nor have I been party to intelligence about current operations and the current sit rep like the retired officers in the linked article.

I certainly think Netanyahu’s goal to free Gaza from Hamas is reasonable, don’t you?

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 01:57

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 01:55

I’m not military so not qualified to give an opinion, are you?

Edited your add - nor have I been party to intelligence about current operations and the current sit rep like the retired officers in the linked article.

I certainly think Netanyahu’s goal to free Gaza from Hamas is reasonable, don’t you?

Edited

That's not his goal though is it.

Nice question dodging though.

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 01:58

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 01:48

Did you miss that they refused to even accept them? They could have given them to Hamas who they seemed quite comfortable with at the Bibas family fake funeral?

That exerpt was from the Jerusalem Post. Do you have a problem with that as well?

The Middle East Forum -

Mission
MEF promotes American interests in the Middle East and protects Western values from Middle Eastern threats.
The Forum sees the region — with its profusion of dictatorships, radical ideologies, existential conflicts, border disagreements, corruption, political violence, and weapons of mass destruction — as a major source of problems for the United States. Accordingly, we urge bold measures to protect Americans and their allies.
In the Middle East, we focus on ways to defeat radical Islam; work for Palestinian acceptance of Israel; develop strategies to contain Iran; and deal with the great advances of anarchy.
At home, the Forum emphasizes the danger of lawful Islamism; protects the freedoms of anti-Islamist authors, activists, and publishers; and works to improve Middle East studies. It provides strategic counsel, as opposed to advocacy or apologetics.

Does that offend you?

Oh and Daniel Pipes is a known racist Islamophobic who has been wrong on so many occasions.

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 02:06

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 01:57

That's not his goal though is it.

Nice question dodging though.

He said he was going to do it though so looks like a goal.

What do you think Hamas’ goal is out of interest?

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 02:19

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 01:55

I’m not military so not qualified to give an opinion, are you?

Edited your add - nor have I been party to intelligence about current operations and the current sit rep like the retired officers in the linked article.

I certainly think Netanyahu’s goal to free Gaza from Hamas is reasonable, don’t you?

Edited

That’s not his goal.
That has never been his goal

Here he is at the UN general Assembly September 2023

Now that’s his goal and always has been. Even before October 7th

Israeli cleric Rabbi Ronen Shaulov calls for the starvation of all civilians in Gaza
ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 02:38

TulipLavender · 05/08/2025 01:36

So you think the UN and all NGOs are just biased? Are they all biased in the same direction? On what grounds and for what purpose or reason?

I didn’t answer that bit. Sorry!

Bit rich though when just about all of my questions in posts are ignored.

I’m sure there will something to complain about with the sources but they are all backed up with evidence and I’m sure were scrutinised for any legal ramifications,

david-collier.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/191219_amnesty_final.pdf

unwatch.org/report-red-cross-statements-overwhelmingly-biased-against-israel/

https://ngo-monitor.org/ngos/oxfam/

https://unwatch.org/the-case-against-unrwa/

https://ngo-monitor.org/reports/eu-funding-2024/

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https://unwatch.org/the-case-against-unrwa

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 03:19

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 02:38

I didn’t answer that bit. Sorry!

Bit rich though when just about all of my questions in posts are ignored.

I’m sure there will something to complain about with the sources but they are all backed up with evidence and I’m sure were scrutinised for any legal ramifications,

david-collier.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/191219_amnesty_final.pdf

unwatch.org/report-red-cross-statements-overwhelmingly-biased-against-israel/

https://ngo-monitor.org/ngos/oxfam/

https://unwatch.org/the-case-against-unrwa/

https://ngo-monitor.org/reports/eu-funding-2024/

The first is Jewish human rights watch

Second I spotted stuff already debunked as lies ages ago

Third. Stuff about Oxfam critising Israel’s actions in Gaza. Whats wrong with that. They’re seeing the truth and speaking it

Lastly. Giving more money to NGOs for Gaza. Whats wrong with that. They need the support, there’s a war on in their country.

All of these links are stating the obvious. You may not like what they say or how they are helping Palestinians but they are speaking the truth and offering support for those in Gaza

That doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with them. Unless of course if you don’t want anyone to help.

Voxon · 05/08/2025 09:14

Wintersgirl · 05/08/2025 01:09

Book of Revalations 3.9 makes interesting reading...

Quoting Revelation 3:9 in a conversation about modern Jews or Israel is a known antisemitic tactic. This verse referred to 1st-century religious disputes, not to delegitimise an entire people or faith.

For shame. You should be embarrassed.

Twiglets1 · 05/08/2025 09:21

@DrPrunesqualer what is your objection to a Jewish human rights watch?

Voxon · 05/08/2025 09:23

TulipLavender · 05/08/2025 01:36

So you think the UN and all NGOs are just biased? Are they all biased in the same direction? On what grounds and for what purpose or reason?

The UN and many NGOs have shown a clear, consistent bias against Israel, and the evidence is overwhelming.

EVIDENCE OF BIAS

Disproportionate Resolutions

The UN Human Rights Council has passed more resolutions condemning Israel than any other country in the world. More than Syria, Iran, North Korea, and Russia combined.

UNGA Resolutions in 2022:

Israel: 15 condemnations

Rest of the world: 13 total, including only 1 each for Russia, Iran, North Korea, etc.

This is obsessive scapegoating.

Permanent Agenda Item

At the UNHRC, “Israel’s human rights violations” are a permanent agenda item. No other country gets this treatment - not even regimes committing open genocide for years.

Special Committees Just for Israel

The UN has special investigative bodies and rapporteurs focused solely on Israel and the Palestinians, with no equivalent mechanisms for other conflicts—despite the fact that far deadlier wars or conflicts exist (e.g., Yemen, Syria, Sudan).

NGO Disparities

Groups like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and B’Tselem regularly single out Israel for condemnation. These claims are political, not legal, and rely on redefining accusations to fit their narrative.

Amnesty for example admitted in leaked internal documents that applying the word “apartheid” to Israel was part of a strategic campaign, not a neutral conclusion.

Funding Links and Ideological Bias

Many NGOs operating in the West Bank and Gaza are funded by countries with open anti-Israel positions. Some NGOs have employed individuals linked to terror groups (e.g., PFLP), and yet are still treated as neutral sources.

WHY THE BIAS?

Political Leverage

Arab and Islamic blocs dominate voting numbers at the UN. They drive resolutions to delegitimise Israel, knowing most Western countries will abstain or go along for political convenience. Israel is a soft target. It’s a democracy and doesn’t retaliate diplomatically, so condemning it costs nothing.

Ideological Capture

Many NGOs are run by or recruit from far-left ideologies that see Israel as a “colonial” or “Western imperialist” state.This aligns with post-colonial guilt politics, where Israel is cast as the permanent aggressor and Palestinians as eternal victims.

Funding & PR

Attacking Israel is good for fundraising. Many NGOs discovered that highlighting “Israeli abuses” draws donations, attention, and media traction. Probably due to the popularity of antisemitism. There’s no equivalent incentive to talk about North Korean labour camps or Iranian child executions.

The Cost of the Bias

It delegitimises Israel’s right to defend itself against terror. It whitewashes terrorism by calling Hamas “armed groups” and ignoring antisemitic indoctrination. It falsely educates the public, fuels antisemitism, and misuses the language of human rights for propaganda.

The bias is systemic, politically motivated, and strategically weaponised. It has little to do with human rights and everything to do with diplomatic opportunism, ideological narratives, and funding-driven activism.

Twiglets1 · 05/08/2025 09:24

@DrPrunesqualer And your third point - there’s nothing wrong with Oxfam criticising Israel’s actions in Gaza as long as they are unbiased. But the link is specifically about Oxfam’s bias.

Twiglets1 · 05/08/2025 09:30

@DrPrunesqualer your last point, what is wrong with giving more money to NGOs for Gaza?

You point out there’s a war on but are you aware there are many other wars & humanitarian crises happening around the world, not just in Gaza?

Why is Gaza more worthy of financial support than civilians suffering in other places? Could this be more evidence of bias?

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 10:00

You show them proof of bias, they don’t believe the bias, because of their bias.

Go figure.

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 10:16

Twiglets1 · 05/08/2025 09:21

@DrPrunesqualer what is your objection to a Jewish human rights watch?

I winder if that poster would object to Palestinian human rights groups or Hamas ones?

The first link, @DrPrunesqualer was David Collier who is a British investigative journalist and clearly has the receipts.

I found that Amnesty report particularly shocking, and damning.

Why do pro-Palestinian posters ask for evidence and then not bother to read it? Well, we know why.

The next one UN Watch, is as follows:

United Nations Watch is a non-governmental organization based in Geneva, Switzerland, whose mandate is to monitor the performance of the United Nations by the yardstick of its own Charter.
United Nations Watch was established in 1993 by legendary civil rights activist Morris B. Abram, the former U.S. Permanent Representative to the United Nations in Geneva.
United Nations Watch participates actively at the UN as an accredited NGO in Special Consultative Status to the UN Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) and as an Associate NGO to the UN Department of Public Information (DPI). It reports regularly to both.

What was debunked about the Red Cross?
^^

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 10:25

@ConscientiousObserver even Times of Israel call UN watch a Pro Israel Lobby Group.