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Conflict in the Middle East

Israeli cleric Rabbi Ronen Shaulov calls for the starvation of all civilians in Gaza

323 replies

TulipLavender · 03/08/2025 01:35

https://youtube.com/shorts/RFFcB8mEabs?si=Fo30dm4_Qy2sLjhP

He says every child in Gaza should starve to death.

Before you continue to YouTube

https://youtube.com/shorts/RFFcB8mEabs?si=Fo30dm4_Qy2sLjhP

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 04/08/2025 23:53

ConscientiousObserver · 04/08/2025 23:41

And the fact you’re still hiding behind “but October 7th” after all this time? Says everything

The fact you don’t think that is entirely relevant in this war says everything@Wedonttalkaboutboris

I’ve never said it wasn’t relevant to this war.

What I am saying, is that it can’t be used as a justification for war crimes.

TulipLavender · 04/08/2025 23:53

Back in early 2023 art work by Palestinian children was taken down from Chelsea and Westminster hospital after a complaint from UK Lawyers for Israel who claimed that it made some Jewish patients feel vulnerable, harrassed and victimised.
Ive looked carefully at the plates and cant se anything other than depictions of Palestinian cultural artifices and elements.

Am i missing something or are certain factions such as UKLFI just opposing any expression of Palestinian culture? In that case, its insidious erasure and dehumanisation of Palestinians.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/27/artwork-gaza-schoolchildren-removed-chelsea-and-westminster-hospital

London hospital takes down artwork by Gaza children after complaint

Pro-Israel group objected to display saying it made Jewish patients feel ‘vulnerable, harassed and victimised’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/27/artwork-gaza-schoolchildren-removed-chelsea-and-westminster-hospital

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PaxAeterna · 04/08/2025 23:55

Martymcfly24 · 04/08/2025 22:45

Another letter I saw today @PaxAeterna one from hundreds of Israeli former security officers stating “It is our professional judgement that Hamas no longer poses a strategic threat to Israel,”

On the same day that Netanyahu announces that there will be full occupation of the strip.

I saw that.

Hopefully this kind of action will help to turn more people within Israel against the war.

This bit jumped out at me;

He says that anyone who believes Israel can “reach every terrorist and every pit and every weapon, and at the same time bring our hostages home,” is entertaining a fantasy.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/we-are-on-the-precipice-of-defeat-former-idf-chiefs-of-staff-intel-chiefs-demand-end-to-gaza-war/

ConscientiousObserver · 04/08/2025 23:55

I mean look at this -

Doctor Mark Perlmutter who spent several weeks in Gaza describes how Israeli soldiers harrowingly buried two children alive in a mass grave”

Anyone reading that and not bothering to listen to what he actually said would take that the Dr witnessed this himself. Missing a few words out makes it deliberately misleading. There is also no evidence stated in his interview to back up this story.

It is propaganda to point out that is not what he said or saw?

Or is it propaganda to deliberately mislead on what the doctor said?

ConscientiousObserver · 04/08/2025 23:56

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 04/08/2025 23:53

I’ve never said it wasn’t relevant to this war.

What I am saying, is that it can’t be used as a justification for war crimes.

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Who’s used it for justification for war crimes?

Have war crimes been proven?

Martymcfly24 · 04/08/2025 23:58

PaxAeterna · 04/08/2025 23:55

I saw that.

Hopefully this kind of action will help to turn more people within Israel against the war.

This bit jumped out at me;

He says that anyone who believes Israel can “reach every terrorist and every pit and every weapon, and at the same time bring our hostages home,” is entertaining a fantasy.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/we-are-on-the-precipice-of-defeat-former-idf-chiefs-of-staff-intel-chiefs-demand-end-to-gaza-war/

Brave men.
"At first this war was a just war, a defensive war, but when we achieved all military objectives, this war ceased to be a just war,”

It is not a just war. That is quite clear

TulipLavender · 05/08/2025 00:12

ConscientiousObserver · 04/08/2025 23:56

Who’s used it for justification for war crimes?

Have war crimes been proven?

Is the Pope Catholic?

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ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 00:12

Martymcfly24 · 04/08/2025 23:58

Brave men.
"At first this war was a just war, a defensive war, but when we achieved all military objectives, this war ceased to be a just war,”

It is not a just war. That is quite clear

Has all Israel’s military objectives been achieved?

You better tell them.

GladioliGreen · 05/08/2025 00:16

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 00:12

Has all Israel’s military objectives been achieved?

You better tell them.

That's exactly what retired IDF chiefs of staff, intelligence chiefs, Shin Bet and Mossad directors and police commissioners are doing. Did you not read the article?

bombastix · 05/08/2025 00:21

The objectives will strongly depend on whether Netanyahu decides they have been concluded. Given he has zero incentive to stop or indeed call an election, you can assume he’s not stopping. He’ll keep going.

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 00:30

bombastix · 05/08/2025 00:21

The objectives will strongly depend on whether Netanyahu decides they have been concluded. Given he has zero incentive to stop or indeed call an election, you can assume he’s not stopping. He’ll keep going.

As he has announced full occupation of the Gaza Strip this evening it is quite clear what his objectives are. He is achieving a long held aim of completing annexing the area.

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 00:30

I did actually.

Israel’s military aims have always been dismantle Hamas and release all the hostages. They have not been reached.

Here from the horses mouth -

https://x.com/netanyahu/status/1952419555852116093

https://x.com/netanyahu/status/1952419555852116093

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 00:31

And I believe him not Hamas.

Flame away. Really have no fucks to give.

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 00:43

Here another one from the horses mouth about the hostages, in Hebrew with translation transcribed, as it’s obviously directed at the Israeli people who are the ones who care about the hostages.

https://x.com/netanyahu/status/1952068423804182660

So no, military objectives not achieved.

https://x.com/netanyahu/status/1952068423804182660

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 00:43

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 00:31

And I believe him not Hamas.

Flame away. Really have no fucks to give.

No one is flaming anyone. It's meant to be a discussion forum. Relax.

Fascinating video. Hits every propaganda point even utilising past horrors and fears to ensure support. Implying he cares about Palestinian civilians who are asking him for help (really?)and ignoring the mass starvation and conditions approaching grade 5 famine as cited by numerous aid agencies.
Completely a contradiction to the news that he will annex the strip.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-reportedly-looking-to-order-full-takeover-of-gaza-despite-idf-qualms/

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 00:45

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 00:43

Here another one from the horses mouth about the hostages, in Hebrew with translation transcribed, as it’s obviously directed at the Israeli people who are the ones who care about the hostages.

https://x.com/netanyahu/status/1952068423804182660

So no, military objectives not achieved.

According to him.

The hundreds of signatures to the letter with a combined 1000 years of military experience would disagree.

GladioliGreen · 05/08/2025 00:46

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 00:31

And I believe him not Hamas.

Flame away. Really have no fucks to give.

What are you even talking about? Who is believing Hamas? From the article

The letter argued that the Israeli military “has long accomplished the two objectives that could be achieved by force: dismantling Hamas’s military formations and governance.”
“The third, and most important, can only be achieved through a deal: bringing all the hostages home,” it added.

If you believe after almost 2 years and only 4 hostages freed by fighting and 3 that we know for certain were killed by fighting that more fighting is the way to free the remaining hostages you are deluded.

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 00:54

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 00:45

According to him.

The hundreds of signatures to the letter with a combined 1000 years of military experience would disagree.

Seriously!

He’s the PM. He sets the military objectives.

They’ve been the same since the beginning of the war.

Have they been reached?

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 00:54

ConscientiousObserver · 04/08/2025 23:36

Why would I be desperate for people to stop criticising Israel?

It doesn’t affect me in any way, other than other extreme terrorist organisations seeing that they can commit atrocities like Oct 7th, get sympathy for it, blatantly use civilians as human sacrifices, see how easily they get people to fall for their global propaganda campaign by using children as pawns and ultimately have Western governments cede to their demands.

That should be chilling for everyone and has honestly shocked me to my core

If Israel has all the power and military capacity, ask yourself

  • why Hamas started this war,
  • has never made any demands for civilians to be given safe refuge,
  • never made any attempt to create protective spaces themselves
  • deliberately used civilian spaces as their bases
  • only wear uniforms when carrying out fake funeral performances for kidnapped babies
  • filmed the atrocities they carried out themselves
  • publicly state they need their civilians blood for the resistance
  • refuse to surrender

Even my cat could figure it out.

Your words are meaningless

You are one of those falling for Israeli proporganda and we see through it all

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 05/08/2025 00:55

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 00:54

Seriously!

He’s the PM. He sets the military objectives.

They’ve been the same since the beginning of the war.

Have they been reached?

Given his military objective seems to be the conquest of Gaza and the ethnic cleansing of us population, I guess he hasn't reached his goal. It's hideous how the world is letting him do this.

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 00:57

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 00:54

Seriously!

He’s the PM. He sets the military objectives.

They’ve been the same since the beginning of the war.

Have they been reached?

And do you think his military objective of taking over the entire Gaza strip is reasonable?

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 01:01

DrPrunesqualer · 05/08/2025 00:54

Your words are meaningless

You are one of those falling for Israeli proporganda and we see through it all

Whose propaganda have you fallen for?

If you think the UN and the NGOs are unbiased I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

Why has the Red Cross never visited the hostages since they were kidnapped, refused to hand over medication, but helped take out the coffins of dead Israeli babies, a mother and an elderly man all murdered in captivity, to display for Gazans to celebrate over with their children in a sick performance?

I see you responded to one of my posts but obviously couldn’t bring yourself to answer it.

Why was that?

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/08/2025 01:02

ConscientiousObserver · 04/08/2025 02:11

So after the horrific atrocities of Oct 7th, deliberately carried out to cause as much pain, terror, horror and humiliation as possible on Israelis, international visitors and the country as a whole, you seriously expect them to have a positive or even neutral view of Palestinians?

Israelis who’ve lived with:

-constant terror attacks
-Palestinians hijacking their planes,
-bombing pizza parlours and nightclubs and shopping malls,
-shooting dead bus fulls of civilians, including kids,
-car rammings
-stabbing rampages
-murdering teenagers and dumping their bodies by the side of the road,
-slaughtering whole families in their beds (that was before Oct 7th),

Who know much more about Palestinian society, TV programs that glorify murdering Jews, the indoctrination of Palestinian children and the terrorist training camps set up for them in Gaza, than you?

Who live with the knowledge that they have wanted to annihilate them and wipe them out for 80 years?

Who have to have to bomb shelters in every home and in public places under Israeli law, who have had to live with sirens going off for decades due to Palestinian rockets being fired indiscriminately into their country, who have only prevented thousands of deaths from to the aforementioned rockets by having to spend billions in developing and implementing and operating defence systems?

Are you fucking insane?

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How do parents explain bomb shelters / safe rooms to their children?

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 01:07

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 01:01

Whose propaganda have you fallen for?

If you think the UN and the NGOs are unbiased I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

Why has the Red Cross never visited the hostages since they were kidnapped, refused to hand over medication, but helped take out the coffins of dead Israeli babies, a mother and an elderly man all murdered in captivity, to display for Gazans to celebrate over with their children in a sick performance?

I see you responded to one of my posts but obviously couldn’t bring yourself to answer it.

Why was that?

https://www.redcross.org.uk/stories/disasters-and-emergencies/world/what-is-the-red-cross-doing-to-help-hostages-in-gaza

Because they don't know where the hostages are????

What the Red Cross is doing to help Israeli hostages in Gaza

The Israeli hostages in Gaza are one of The ICRC's utmost priorities. Understand how the Red Cross is helping and our role in facilitating their release.

https://www.redcross.org.uk/stories/disasters-and-emergencies/world/what-is-the-red-cross-doing-to-help-hostages-in-gaza