Why has the messaging on Gaza changed so suddenly in the last few weeks?

[RainSoakedNights]

It’s really, really nice to see. Too little too late, but it’s still something. But it’s gone from covering it as if everything that was happening in Gaza was normal, firing people for speaking out (Gary Lineker), to showing the reality of what is happening and the knock on effects that will affect generations. I think we’re potentially a few weeks away from this being called what it is - a genocide. But what has caused this change?

Nope, its quite clear, you and others have said there is no humanitarian crisis, plenty of food, which Hamas has stockpiled...... if so, then why has the IDF now opened up the roads and air space?

Does it not occur to you that what Israel is doing is providing a recruiting tool for Hamas and other extremists? Why would it surprise you that a young boy who has seen his parents killed, his siblings starved, and his home destroyed might grow up to become a radical?

I've said it was speculation

I didn't personally say it

There isn’t mass starvation is there? Even according to Hamas own figures the number of Gazans who have died from malnutrition is less than 200 in total.

Mass starvation whichever way you lie and try to spin it

Noone has said there is no humanitarian crisis.
Noone has said there is plenty of food
You know why the IDF has opened up routes.

You seem to misunderstand and misread posts a lot and I have better things to do than play this game.

Noone has said there is no humanitarian crisis.
Noone has said there is plenty of food
You know why the IDF has opened up routes.

You seem to misunderstand and misread posts a lot and I have better things to do than play this game.

You mentioned it & now won’t even explain what the speculation was about beyond a mysterious “endgame” you don’t want to expand on.

Shall we move on?

Exactly.

Mass hunger, Yes

Mass starvation, No.

The situation is terrible for all to see and any suffering from lack of food is unacceptable. No need to exaggerate.

Disgusting. Children are starving to death. Even journalists and aid workers are struggling to eat. They are starving and you areusing"". Really disgusting.

@allyjay and there was me trying to keep it polite 😢

No we haven’t said there is no humanitarian crisis. There is now- there wasn’t before which is when Hamas was stealing it.

Uh?
i'm sorry but throughout this thread and others, the theme from pro Netanyahu supporters is that its all Hamas propaganda, that IDF don't target babies, plenty of food in Gaza, even stating that western doc's in Gaza are Hamas supporters & shouldn't be believed.

You, yourself minimised starving children by saying, repeatedly, it was Hamas propaganda, no evidence, even after i presented you with it.

I'd really like to know where Hamas store all this stolen aid......

No you are just mixing up things we did say with things we didn't say.

We talk about Hamas propaganda yes, but we haven't said it's all propaganda. I've said that I don't think the IDF would target babies because there is no logical reason they would but I haven't denied that some babies have been shot in the war. Of course lots of babies and children have died in the war.

I haven't said there is plenty of food in Gaza at the moment that people can access.We don't know if we can trust doctors in Gaza or not because we don't know if they are Hamas supporters or not. I haven't said they are liars, just that it's impossible to know for sure and also that they are relying on what other people tell them as they are based in hospitals not aid distribution sites.

I have never minimised starving children, all I have done is point out that the media shouldn't use children with disabilities to try to mislead people that they are representative of all children. They aren't - they need specialist formula which if not available which is why they are suffering more than other babies and children living in the same place. I've never denied that photos of starving babies don't show starving babies and that this is terrible.

You're just throwing around horrible accusations like I don't care about starving children with no evidence, which is something people can only do online.

Make shit up if you want, it doesn't change anything about what is happening in Gaza or what my feelings are about the tragedy in Gaza.

Perhaps if you - sometimes - condemned the actions of the Israeli govt and the IDF?

Doesn't happen, its all divert on other issues by some posters - Hamas live in luxury/Egypt is stopping aid/IDF have to confiscate baby formula as Doctors could be smuggling in...what exactly?

Denial of babies being targeted despite repeated Doctors accounts of this happening.
Gazans being shot in some evil game? Denied with "Ah the Doctors don't know who did the shooting"

Every single piece of evidence of IDF war crimes is denied

Even had one poster saying NHS Doctors were actually terrorist sympathisers, spreading Hamas lies.

Then there is "We don't support Netanyahu" who else is running policy in Gaza???

Perhaps some support people like Katz instead?

An exercise in creative writing? @Twiglets1 is happy to criticise Israel.
I mentioned an NHS doc who was investigated for calling for jihad on one of the early marches and was found to be involved with a now banned Islamist group, obviously he would never openly support a now proscribed group, I'm sure his political stance is completely changed.

I do sometimes criticise the actions of the Israeli government. I've criticised them for blocking humanitarian aid. I've criticised them for enabling the Settlers and for Netanyahu saying they will allow more settlements.

What about you @Alexandra2001 do you sometimes criticise the other side - Hamas? Mainly I just see you on here criticising Israel.

Sharon let’s not pretend there weren’t posters posting Gazawood and X link proporganda of people making Nutella pancakes and speaking of people not being thin enough.!! Here on mumsnet threads. If not this one then many that we have been on

Posters on mnet threads have definitely been denying the humanitarian crisis.
Let’s not backtrack and deny

Someone up thread took issue with the use of the word Starvation

I don't and it seems news agencies and Trump don’t either.

Interesting article in the Finacial Times about Trump and Netanyahu.

Apparently Trump told a top Jewish donor that "my people are beginning to hate Israel"

https://www.ft.com/content/8d703b13-eefb-448d-933d-fa70e8e2dc78

"A small but vocal contingent of his Maga base, including younger Republicans and far-right podcasters, have grown sceptical of Washington’s relationship with Israel.
“What is this unique, strange, disgusting, perverse relationship that we seem to have with Israel?” Candace Owens, a popular podcaster and frequent proponent of antisemitic conspiracy theories, said on her programme last week.
Pro-Trump firebrand lawmaker Marjorie Taylor Greene on Monday <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/7rHKS/x.com/RepMTG/status/1950000279593607551" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">described the crisis in Gaza as a “genocide” and has proposed legislation to block aid to Israel. Congress rejected the measure, but polls suggest many young Republicans now have a negative opinion of Netanyahu.
“My people are starting to hate Israel,” Trump recently warned one prominent Jewish donor, according to a Middle East expert who speaks regularly with the administration."

There are multiple public and leaked statements from Israeli officials that support the claim that aid obstruction has been part of an intentional strategy, not just the result of looting or Hamas interference.

Official Policy Declaration:
October 2023, Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant announced a complete siege on Gaza:

“We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed.”

This was a publicly declared policy of total deprivation.

Leaked Government Policy Document:
A policy paper from Israel’s Ministry of Intelligence (reported by Haaretz) explicitly recommended reducing humanitarian aid to the bare minimum needed to avoid international intervention- not to meet civilian needs. It proposed blocking water, fuel, and food, and encouraged population displacement into Egypt.

Leaked Broadcast:
“Starvation is a legitimate weapon”
In a leaked clip aired by Israel’s KAN public broadcaster, senior Israeli officials said:

“We will not allow aid into areas where hostages are not returned. Starvation is a legitimate form of pressure.”

This was part of an internal discussion on using food as leverage.

Sources:

• https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-09/ty-article/.premium/israel-declares-complete-siege-on-gaza-no-electricity-food-or-fuel/0000018b-22a0-d27b-a99b-f2fce5580000
• https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-22/ty-article/.premium/israeli-intel-ministry-document-gaza-population-transfer/0000018b-9eaf-d00d-a7cb-ffefccda0000
• https://www.972mag.com/starvation-weapon-israel-gaza/
• https://theintercept.com/2024/01/10/israel-gaza-starvation-aid/

Recent discussion points:

• “Hamas steals all the aid,”
• “The UN just quotes Hamas,”
• “There’s no starvation, just malnutrition,”
• and that Israel has done all it can but Gazans are to blame for the lack of food.

If we agree there’s a humanitarian crisis, then surely it’s fair to ask why all contributing factors aren’t being acknowledged- including Israeli policies around aid obstruction, which are publicly documented.

That’s the best leap I’ve seen so far- from one NHS doctor’s past investigation to implying that all humanitarian professionals speaking out must secretly support proscribed groups.