Why has the messaging on Gaza changed so suddenly in the last few weeks?

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It’s really, really nice to see. Too little too late, but it’s still something. But it’s gone from covering it as if everything that was happening in Gaza was normal, firing people for speaking out (Gary Lineker), to showing the reality of what is happening and the knock on effects that will affect generations. I think we’re potentially a few weeks away from this being called what it is - a genocide. But what has caused this change?

They didn’t say that though.

No one is implying that all humanitarian professionals must secretly support proscribed or extremist groups.

Some probably do though as per the above example. Just because someone is a medical professional that doesn’t mean they are politically neutral.

Surely that is exactly what they’re implying? Starting from one example of a doctor involved with a proscribed group, then suggesting humanitarian professionals speaking out might be secretly supporting such groups, that’s exactly the leap I’m highlighting.

Can you not see that using one doctor’s past as an example to imply terrorist alliances and thereby undermine the credibility of hundreds of humanitarian professionals is simply ridiculous?

No I see you twisting someone’s words.

I’m not twisting anything- I’m highlighting the logic being used. They brought up one doctor with alleged extremist links in a conversation about humanitarian professionals speaking out. If you’re not trying to cast doubt on the wider group, then why bring that example up at all?

They bought the doctor up in response to a post by @Alexandra2001 as you well know.

Sorry, what?? I wrote that post 3 days ago and it was accurate according to what had been writren to that point. 3 days of posts have been written since and I'm certainly not going back over all of them. What I said in that post is not disproved by the quotes in your post anyway. Wasn't it you who claimed people were posting too much, now you're dragging me into a conversation 3 days later?

I understand exactly what you mean

Just to clarify, I never criticised anyone for “posting too much.” My concern was around misinformation and the repeated dismissal of credible evidence. I pointed out how often the same deflections are recycled, even after they’ve been addressed. The fact this keeps getting reframed as me complaining you were “all posting too much,” and then used repeatedly as a stick, kind of proves my point.

I was summarising themes that had come up across the thread- including some arguments you’d made earlier that echoed the denial that a humanitarian crisis exists.

If your view has shifted since then, fair enough. But if we now agree there is a humanitarian crisis, it seems reasonable to ask that all contributing factors be acknowledged- including Israeli restrictions on aid, which are well documented.

Ask away!

I do well know 🤷‍♀️

Since you now acknowledge there is a humanitarian crisis, could you clarify what you think is causing it- beyond just blaming Hamas?

I'm really not understanding why you are demanding my opinion suddenly? I last commented on this thread 3 days ago in response to someone else who accused me of denying a humanitarian crisis, which I never have, but the discussion was about the wealth of Hamas leaders. I have no idea why I have to suddenly be accountable to you on a different subject.

Thats to @Wedonttalkaboutboris. When I said ask away, I didn't mean ask me as I can't see why you're focussing on me anyway.

@SharonEllis
Because you’re in a forum based around discussing this crisis 😅 you’re part of a public conversation where these topics overlap.

You’re right though- you’re under no obligation to reply.

I’m genuinely just interested: since you’ve said you agree there is a humanitarian crisis, I was curious what you think has caused it- beyond just blaming Hamas.

Pointing out a pattern of misrepresentation isn’t ‘twisting words’- it’s called holding people to what they actually said.

Thank you@Twiglets1 you can follow the discussion this post is part of and see that it was @Wedonttalkaboutboris who extrapolated one doctor into all humanitarian professionals. I obviously didn't say that.

I've appreciated your updates on the aid situation btw.

Now following the latest reports of efforts at resolution with interest, and continuing to keep the hostages and their families in mind.

Yes, and I’m sure from that thread everyone with any critical thinking will be able to infer exactly what you meant.

And yes, agreed- hoping something shifts soon for everyone affected.

Indeed. Critical thinking is useful when analysing content.

😇 Absolutely

Can someone who's lived in Israel recently or has family there, explain this to me because I can't get my head around it:

I've seen videos of anti Netanyahu/ anti- genocide demonstrations there, but are they a minority in a sea of Palestinian-haters? Are people more progressive in Tel Aviv than the rest of the country?

For the majority of Israelis who have access to social media and international travels, do they see alternative news? Do they know how horrified the world is at what is happening?

I can understand North Koreans being brain-washed but this, complete and utter brain washing I can't. There should be thousands and thousands of IDF soldiers refusing to serve the army, but that's not the case. Help me understand it please.

Please excuse any typos, grammar etc. it's almost midnight, I'm tired.

I haven't been in Israel for a while. And this is just my impression. Hopefully somebody with more recent experience will be along too.

Jewish Israelis are aware of their long history. Its something they do extremely well. Lots of Jewish Israelis are there because they've felt drawn to be among their own, they or their family have suffered persecution in the past. There is a kind of comfort in being amongst ones own.
They are regularly bombarded by rockets from enemies around them. Many of them remember previous wars. A lot of young Israelis done their National Service. Contrary to what I often read on here, they are aware there is a threat.
So, while most of them, bar the awfully visible extremists, feel compassion for innocent Palestinian lives lost, they see it as part of the greater picture. The ongoing struggle for their existence on the land of their history.
I didn't see most Israelis wishing for the destruction of all Palestinians. But I do think they are more aware in general of the depth of the problem than we are here in Europe. I would say they are more realistic about the situation they find themselves in.

Someone posted an article by Hadley Freeman- she was trying to explain the situation to her child. Thats the way most people I met think.

I hope someone else will be along with a better answer for you soon!

@dairydebrisThank you. You explained that quite well. In my head, if it was up to me to decide - there is a simplistic, fair solution. There is clearly a wrong path and a right path for everyone. But it is so complicated. I was born a country that is very pally with Israel. It's important to keep discussing this.

What would your simplistic, fair solution be?

Thank you for a calm, balanced explanation. I’m genuinely interested.