To think UN should now be in Gaza as a peacekeeping force

[ArtfulGoldWriter]

Seriously, when even the Daily Express are even calling mass forced starvation and putting pictures like this on their front pages.

Surely the UN could act as a peacekeeping force and stop this insanity?

Its obscene.

@RandomWordsThrownTogether Well unfortunately there are some people who still don’t believe the Holocaust was real. Not in the UK but there are countries where it’s not truly wild to say it or to minimise it at least.

And the same will happen here. Just in case you are holding out for some kind of mass apology. (I jest) There will be people who never believe it.

The genocide in the Bosnian war is still contested by many.

I don’t need to read multiple sources to see if there is a genocide underway. You just need to listen to the Israeli government themselves. That and the fact that 85% of Gaza is under Israeli military control. They want to curtail every Palestinian in a camp “that they can’t leave” not to mention the blocking of aid, the destruction of education, healthcare, water sources, food sources.

It’s all there right in front of our eyes. Nobody disputes any of this.

NO they absolutely did not rule there was a plausible case for genocide. The former president of the ICJ Donoghue said that the court decided the Palestinians had a “plausible right” to be protected from genocide and that South Africa had the right to present that claim in the court.
She said that, contrary to some reporting, the court did not make a ruling on whether the claim of genocide was plausible.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-middle-east-68906919

Thanks Sharon- I’m familiar with that clarification. The ICJ didn’t rule that genocide was occurring, of course. But it did issue provisional measures on the basis that there is a plausible risk of genocide, which is a very serious legal threshold. That’s not a casual or political statement, it’s the basis for urgent action under international law.

That distinction doesn’t undermine my point. If the world’s highest court sees the situation as serious enough to investigate under the Genocide Convention, maybe we should stop minimising it.

I’m also still waiting for your source for the claim that UN agencies, aid organisations, and independent observers are just “quoting Hamas ministries”? Because that’s a serious accusation and you’ve provided nothing to back it up.

'What’s your source for the claim that UN agencies, aid organisations, and independent observers are just “quoting Hamas ministries”? '

Erm, because every night the BBC quote alleged deaths in gaza and then say as released from the hamas led health ministry.

So if you are aware, why were you misleading? What Donoghue actually clarified was that the court 'emphasise[d] in the order that there was a risk of irreparable harm to the Palestinian right to be protected from genocide. But the shorthand that often appears, which is that there's a plausible case of genocide, isn't what the court decided.'
Here we are again, being told I'm minimising something simply for insisting that we actually stick to facts.
As for the other comment it doesn't ring a bell, I don't think it was me. Is it 'a serious accusation', really? Isn't it blatantly obvious that people are going to be quoting Hamas ministries given they are the government in Gaza? News report state that information comes from Hamas ministries all the time. Hard to tell what exactly it is you want evidence for out of context though.

Yes. Yet the level of genocide denial on this entire thread by some posters is horrific and shameful.

Use of words like ‘alleged’ - it’s disgusting.

@ArtfulGoldWriter its not 'disgusting' to stick to facts.

“Some 180 of Britain’s 650 MPs in the last parliament accepted funding from pro-Israel lobby groups or individuals during their political career, Declassified can reveal.

That includes 130 Conservative MPs, 41 Labour MPs and three Liberal Democrats.

Three members of the DUP, two independents and Reform’s only MP complete the list.

The total value of the donations from pro-Israel groups, individuals, and Israeli state institutions amounts to over one million pounds”

No wonder the weapons industry is doing so well on Israel too.

What exactly are you talking about? What is your point? Have you looked into the actions of other 'lobbies'. Did Declassified?

In what way is the weapons industry doing well on Israel?

Have you actually looked up how many weapons the UK sells to Israel? Have you looked up what proportion of Israel's military capability comes from Britain?

Have you compared it to weapons sales to other parts of the world? Figures easily available online.
Hint. Check out Saudi Arabia, for the last decade the major force behind the world's worst humanitarian disaster, in Yemen

According to the pp, pro Israeli lobby groups funded in some way 180 MP's, to the average tune of around £5k each
In 2018 the average value of a Saudi paid trip for a UK MP was £8k per head according to this article. Rehman Chisti alone was paid £46k over 2 years.

Saudi Arabia pays UK firms millions to boost image | Saudi Arabia | The Guardian https://share.google/E8fQ2ejUeNBJJN771

More recently

REVEALED: MPs’ Gifts from Gulf States Accused of Human Rights Abuses – Byline Times https://share.google/ENv6yldeMCOHkZhTA

Look into the APPGs and regular concerns about ME countries in particular buying influence.

Sorry, that's not how it works ! You don't own a thread! Commenting is open to all.

Please could you reply to my question about how the weapons industry is doing well on Israel?

🙄 It’s well documented

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/may/07/uk-sent-israel-thousands-of-military-items-despite-export-ban-study-finds

Yes it is well documented that the British arms industry doesn't do that well out of Israel.

What would reading the whole thread add to my understanding of the specific points that I've recently commented on?

The BBC reports the source of the figures transparently- that’s just good practice. But UN agencies, Human Rights Watch, and others don’t “just quote Hamas.” They use satellite imagery, hospital records, independent verification, and interviews with their own staff on the ground. And if the numbers were grossly inflated, we’d expect the UN or US officials to have pushed back hard, but they haven’t. Quite the opposite, in fact.

You’ve discredited just about everyone: UN agencies, humanitarian workers, journalists, and even children’s medical photos, but then land on “I trust the IDF every time.”

I’m genuinely curious: if that’s the standard, what sources do you consider reliable?

Some more sources:

"Gaza is being starved to death by 'lsrael."

— The United Nations, Amnesty International, Norwegian Refugee Council, Human Rights Watch, The World Health Organization, Doctors Without Borders, Save The Children, The International Committee of the Red Cross, Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor, The World Food Program, B'Tselem, Physicians for Human Rights-Israel, INARA, American Friends Service Committee, A.M. Qattan Foundation, A New Policy, ACT Alliance, Action Against Hunger, Action for Humanity, ActionAid International, American Baptist Churches Palestine Justice Network, Asamblea de CooperaciAn por la Paz, Associazione Cooperazione e SolidarietA, Bystanders No More, CARpain, Caritas Germany, Caritas Internationalis, Caritas Jerusalem, Catholic Agency for Overseas Development, Center for Mind-Body Medicine, CESVI Fondazione, Children Not Numbers, Christian Aid, Churches for Middle East Peace, CIDSE- International Family of Catholic Social Justice Organisations, Cooperazione Internazionale Sud Sud, Council for Arab-British Understanding, DanChurchAid, Danish Refugee Council, Friends Committee on National Legislation, Forum Ziviler Friedensdienste.V., Gender Action for Peace and security, Global Legal Action Network, Global Witness, Health Workers 4 Palestine, HelpAge International, Humanity & Inclusion, Humanity First UK, Indiana Center for Middle Last Peace, Insecurity Insight, International Vedia Support, International NGO satety Organisation, Islamic Kellet, Jahalin Solidarity, Japan Internationa Volunteer Center, Kenya Association of Muslim Medical Professionals, Kvinna till Kvinna Foundation, MedGlobal Medico International, Medico International Switzerland, Medical Aid for Palestinians, Mennonite Central Committee, MA©decins du Monde France, MA©decins du Monde Spain, MA Odecins du Monde Switzerland, Mercy Corps, Middie East Children's Alliance, Movement for Peace, Muslim Aid, National Justice and Peace, Network in England and Wales, Nonviolence International, Norwegian Aid Committee, Norwegian Church Aid Norwegian People's Aid (NPA), Pax Christi England and Wales, Pax Christi International, Pax Christi Merseyside, Pax Christi USA, Pal Law Commission, Palestinian American Medical Association, Palestinian Children's Relief Fund, Palestinian Medical Relief Society, Peace Direct, Peace Winds, Pediatricians for Palestine, People in Need, Plan International, Premiere Urgence Internationale, Project HOPE, Quaker Palestine Israel Network, Rebuilding Alliance, Refugees International, Saferworld, Sabeel-Kairos UK, Scottish Catholic International Aid Fund SolidaritA©s International, Stottetoreningen Det Danske Hus I Palastina, Swiss Church Aid, Terre des Hommes Italia, Terre des Hommes Lausanne, Terre des Homes Nederland, The Borgen Project, The Center for Mind-Body Medicine, The Global Center for the Responsibility to Protect, Ihe International Development and Reliet Foundation, The Institute for the Understanding of Anti-Palestinian Racism, Un Ponte Per, United Against Inhumanity, War Child Alliance, War Child UK, War on Want, Weltfriedensdienste.V., Welthungerhilfe.

"Israel has decided to stop letting goods and supplies into Gaza."
— Netanyahu, March 2, 2025

"There is no reason for a gram of food or aid to enter Gaza."
— Ben-Gvir, April 16, 2025

This post by @purpletablet is also very interesting- on the ‘BBC’s Gaza coverage: New Report Reveals Deep Bias’ thread.

“I’ve just read the 2023–24 report by the Centre for Media Monitoring (CfMM), and it raises some serious concerns about how the BBC has covered Israel’s war on Gaza.

The report analysed over 3,800 BBC articles and 32,000 broadcast segments. Despite a 34:1 death ratio between Palestinians and Israelis, BBC coverage gave Israeli deaths far more attention, used much more emotive language, and consistently personalised Israeli victims while depersonalising Palestinians.
Some key points that stood out:

• Israeli deaths were mentioned 33 times more per person than Palestinian deaths in BBC articles
• The word “murdered” was used over 200 times for Israelis, but just once for Palestinians
• Presenters echoed Israeli perspectives 11 times more than Palestinian ones
• Historical context like occupation or blockade was mentioned in less than 1% of coverage
• Genocide claims were repeatedly shut down or ignored, despite being raised in international courts

They also compared this to the BBC’s Ukraine coverage, where victims were humanised, civilian deaths highlighted, and military justifications questioned far more frequently.
This isn’t just about bias in tone. It’s about shaping how the public understands the conflict and who is seen as human and worthy of sympathy.”

I’ve read back a few times in case I missed @Gloriia sources, but I must be skimming past them

All their info comes from hamas and these people 'on the ground' like Dr maynard are now saying 'someone told me', so I'd take their 'independent verification' with a pinch of salt. Hospital records? Yep released from the hamas led health ministry. Newsflash terrorists make shit up.