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To think UN should now be in Gaza as a peacekeeping force

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ArtfulGoldWriter · 23/07/2025 20:03

Seriously, when even the Daily Express are even calling mass forced starvation and putting pictures like this on their front pages.

Surely the UN could act as a peacekeeping force and stop this insanity?

Its obscene.

To think UN should now be in Gaza as a peacekeeping force
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quantumbutterfly · 28/07/2025 10:34

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 10:24

That’s an odd threshold for solidarity. You’re saying you’ll only speak out against mass starvation once Hamas behaves better?

But human rights aren’t conditional. Starving children, medical conditions or not, don’t get to choose who governs them.

People on these marches have condemned the taking of hostages. Many are also calling for long-term political change- including for new leadership in Gaza. But they don’t believe that Hamas’s actions justify collective punishment of 2 million people. That’s the difference.

You don’t have to endorse Hamas to stand against forced famine. You just have to care about civilians enough to say: this is wrong, no matter who’s in charge.

And yet they don't say it, people have been attacked by marchers for saying it, hamas perpetuates the situation but no-one is allowed to say it.

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 12:08

'And yet they don't say it, people have been attacked by marchers for saying it, hamas perpetuates the situation but no-one is allowed to say it.'

They don't say it do they.

Oh yeah but no but obviously hamas are bad, obviously they should surrender and release hostages. It is so very obvious that the keffiyeh clad Gretas don't say it preferring instead the 'free palestine' or 'fuck israel' singalongs.

Terrorist organisations should ensure that their people are fed by the masses of aid that is available but for some reason it suits their cause to make gazans suffer. As if some folk will fall for their propaganda and blame the IDF..

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 12:22

Twiglets1 · 28/07/2025 10:29

They did exactly the same thing to me.

It's a technique. Not worth directly engaging with imo.

A “technique” 👏😂

It’s just sheer frustration at having to repeat myself and parrot actual facts while being hit with:

Whataboutism
minimisation
deflection
false equivalence
moral relativism
Tone policing
pretending neutrality = objectivity
Mocking/passive aggression
performative detatchment
evasion through clever phrasing
reversing blame
False ‘balance’ as superiority
demanding evidence then ignoring it when shown
Conflating concern for Palestinian suffering with supporting Hamas

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 12:23

quantumbutterfly · 28/07/2025 10:34

And yet they don't say it, people have been attacked by marchers for saying it, hamas perpetuates the situation but no-one is allowed to say it.

so you agree that you think human rights are conditional?

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 12:34

'It’s just sheer frustration at having to repeat myself and parrot actual facts while being hit with'

You don't have to do anything.

To tell someone witheringly that you refuse to engage with them anymore then constantly quote them is just a bit odd tbh.

We can all debate politely surely. It is a complex situation.

Could you not see that it suits a terrorist organisation to make its people suffer and blame others, have you not seen all the footage available that shows clearly that aid is available but the UN and hamas seem unable/unwilling to distribute.

Do you seriously believe Maynard's claims that the IDF are all trained snipers and are able to target an ear, a neck, an abdomen or a testicle from a distance?

quantumbutterfly · 28/07/2025 12:51

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 12:23

so you agree that you think human rights are conditional?

So you don't think the hostages human rights matter?

ArtfulGoldWriter · 28/07/2025 13:24

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 12:34

'It’s just sheer frustration at having to repeat myself and parrot actual facts while being hit with'

You don't have to do anything.

To tell someone witheringly that you refuse to engage with them anymore then constantly quote them is just a bit odd tbh.

We can all debate politely surely. It is a complex situation.

Could you not see that it suits a terrorist organisation to make its people suffer and blame others, have you not seen all the footage available that shows clearly that aid is available but the UN and hamas seem unable/unwilling to distribute.

Do you seriously believe Maynard's claims that the IDF are all trained snipers and are able to target an ear, a neck, an abdomen or a testicle from a distance?

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Yes I do fully believe Maynard’s claim about the IDF- because he’s not the only one to say it.

I fully believe that in time, the full extent of IDF atrocities will come to light.

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ArtfulGoldWriter · 28/07/2025 13:26

quantumbutterfly · 28/07/2025 12:51

So you don't think the hostages human rights matter?

Going Round in circles and not listening.

Yes the hostages have human rights- everyone has human rights. Do their rights justify the slaughter and starvation of 20,000 children? I think we all know the answer.

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Gloriia · 28/07/2025 13:38

ArtfulGoldWriter · 28/07/2025 13:24

Yes I do fully believe Maynard’s claim about the IDF- because he’s not the only one to say it.

I fully believe that in time, the full extent of IDF atrocities will come to light.

The troops guarding borders and aid sites will not be their equivalent of the SAS/ highly trained specialist units. They'll be youngsters doing grunt work. To think they're highly trained snipers targeting testicles is ridiculous. Any 'British Doctor' on a jaunt in gaza will have an agenda.

What about the other one who said the only armed individuals she saw were the IDF, does she not know hamas mix with/are civilians to look at and their weapons will not be far away?!

At least we are seeing far more being reported now that yes while malnutrition will be an issue many of those distressing images were fake. One poor boy had CF and is now in Italy receiving treatment, his transfer coordinated by the IDF. Not sure how many enemies in a warzone organise hospital transfers do you?

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 13:39

ArtfulGoldWriter · 28/07/2025 13:26

Going Round in circles and not listening.

Yes the hostages have human rights- everyone has human rights. Do their rights justify the slaughter and starvation of 20,000 children? I think we all know the answer.

Did you have a free the hostages placard on your march?

anytipswelcome · 28/07/2025 13:41

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 13:38

The troops guarding borders and aid sites will not be their equivalent of the SAS/ highly trained specialist units. They'll be youngsters doing grunt work. To think they're highly trained snipers targeting testicles is ridiculous. Any 'British Doctor' on a jaunt in gaza will have an agenda.

What about the other one who said the only armed individuals she saw were the IDF, does she not know hamas mix with/are civilians to look at and their weapons will not be far away?!

At least we are seeing far more being reported now that yes while malnutrition will be an issue many of those distressing images were fake. One poor boy had CF and is now in Italy receiving treatment, his transfer coordinated by the IDF. Not sure how many enemies in a warzone organise hospital transfers do you?

Do you believe that the following statement is true: “there are people starving to death in Gaza”?

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 14:36

anytipswelcome · 28/07/2025 13:41

Do you believe that the following statement is true: “there are people starving to death in Gaza”?

I believe there is malnutrition and great suffering in gaza caused by the inactions and incompetence of the un with the complicity of hamas yes.

It is common in a warzone, although usually the elected leaders don't want their people to suffer, sadly with a terrorist organisation they could not care less and it's all about the propaganda and the media brainwashing.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 28/07/2025 14:40

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 14:36

I believe there is malnutrition and great suffering in gaza caused by the inactions and incompetence of the un with the complicity of hamas yes.

It is common in a warzone, although usually the elected leaders don't want their people to suffer, sadly with a terrorist organisation they could not care less and it's all about the propaganda and the media brainwashing.

I believe there is malnutrition and great suffering in gaza caused by the inactions and incompetence of the un with the complicity of hamas yes.
Wow

It is common in a warzone
What is? Provision of Humanitarian aid being used as a weapon of war and collective punishment?

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 14:42

'What is? Provision of Humanitarian aid being used as a weapon of war and collective punishment?'

Yes, hamas really are despicable it isn't just the Israelis they want to suffer.

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 14:50

There is disturbing footage of hamas shooting gazans in the knee and legs who had tried to access aid. I wonder if these are the targeted injuries Dr Maynard thought were caused by the IDF?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 14:55

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 28/07/2025 14:40

I believe there is malnutrition and great suffering in gaza caused by the inactions and incompetence of the un with the complicity of hamas yes.
Wow

It is common in a warzone
What is? Provision of Humanitarian aid being used as a weapon of war and collective punishment?

They out themselves

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 28/07/2025 14:55

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 14:50

There is disturbing footage of hamas shooting gazans in the knee and legs who had tried to access aid. I wonder if these are the targeted injuries Dr Maynard thought were caused by the IDF?

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Where can it be viewed? Is it reported anywhere? I'm curious how Hamas have got access to the aid distribution points undetected

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 28/07/2025 14:59

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 14:42

'What is? Provision of Humanitarian aid being used as a weapon of war and collective punishment?'

Yes, hamas really are despicable it isn't just the Israelis they want to suffer.

Just to delve into what you're suggesting. Is it that Hamas are not distributing the aid and as a result collectively punishing the Palestinians in Gaza in cahoots with the UN or is it that they are stealing all the aid that Israel are trying to distribute?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 15:03

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 14:36

I believe there is malnutrition and great suffering in gaza caused by the inactions and incompetence of the un with the complicity of hamas yes.

It is common in a warzone, although usually the elected leaders don't want their people to suffer, sadly with a terrorist organisation they could not care less and it's all about the propaganda and the media brainwashing.

“I believe there is malnutrition and great suffering in Gaza caused by the inactions and incompetence of the UN with the complicity of Hamas.”

This reframes the primary cause of starvation as “UN incompetence” and “Hamas complicity”, completely ignoring the core logistical, military, and legal control Israel holds over the Gaza crossings, and the fact that Israel is the occupying power under international law, with clear responsibilities under the Fourth Geneva Convention.

UN agencies (WFP, WHO, UNRWA, OCHA) have repeatedly said the blockade and Israeli restrictions (including military targeting of convoys, refusal of truckloads of aid, fuel bans, and blocking northern aid delivery) are the MAIN causes of humanitarian collapse.

As of March 2024, over 400 aid workers had been killed (the highest ever in a single conflict) making UN operations near-impossible.

Blaming the UN is morally backwards when its staff are being killed, denied entry, denied fuel, denied air drops, and then accused of inaction by those refusing to let them work.

“It is common in a warzone…”

False normalisation.
Yes, suffering exists in warzones but mass starvation as a deliberate outcome is not “common.” It is a breach of international humanitarian law to intentionally block food, water, or medicine from reaching civilians. The UN has declared famine is imminent, with 1 in 5 children under 5 in the north now acutely malnourished, and aid convoys regularly targeted or denied access.

Starvation as a method of warfare is illegal- this isn’t just tragic, it’s a war crime!

Twiglets1 · 28/07/2025 15:07

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 14:50

There is disturbing footage of hamas shooting gazans in the knee and legs who had tried to access aid. I wonder if these are the targeted injuries Dr Maynard thought were caused by the IDF?

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Quite likely - we know they tell their citizens not to do certain things like to go the GHF for food or leave areas the IDF have warned citizens to leave as they are about to attack. And Hamas are quite open about shooting their own people in the legs for any failure to act like they want them to:

Hamas has executed six Palestinians in Gaza and shot 13 others in the legs for alleged looting, the militant group said in a statement.

edition.cnn.com/2025/05/04/middleeast/hamas-executions-gaza-food-intl

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 15:10

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 28/07/2025 14:59

Just to delve into what you're suggesting. Is it that Hamas are not distributing the aid and as a result collectively punishing the Palestinians in Gaza in cahoots with the UN or is it that they are stealing all the aid that Israel are trying to distribute?

Well, as I've said if you watch the news or look online the aid is clearly there and available. Someone has to get their arses in gear and stop blaming the IDF.

Whatever aid that does get through seems to be being controlled by hamas who are shooting their own people apparently who try to access it.

They are terrorists, they don't follow the rules. The problem is hamas.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 28/07/2025 15:15

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 15:10

Well, as I've said if you watch the news or look online the aid is clearly there and available. Someone has to get their arses in gear and stop blaming the IDF.

Whatever aid that does get through seems to be being controlled by hamas who are shooting their own people apparently who try to access it.

They are terrorists, they don't follow the rules. The problem is hamas.

Ah yes, the aid is “clearly there”, just sitting in trucks for months, while Israel blocks crossings, bombs convoys, and kills UN staff. But sure, someone just needs to “get their arses in gear.” Maybe they can teleport it through the siege?

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 28/07/2025 15:16

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 15:10

Well, as I've said if you watch the news or look online the aid is clearly there and available. Someone has to get their arses in gear and stop blaming the IDF.

Whatever aid that does get through seems to be being controlled by hamas who are shooting their own people apparently who try to access it.

They are terrorists, they don't follow the rules. The problem is hamas.

Whatever aid that does get through seems to be being controlled by hamas who are shooting their own people apparently who try to access it.
Seems to be or is? Where? Is this the aid at the GHF distribution sites or different aid?

They are terrorists, they don't follow the rules. The problem is hamas
No they don't follow the rules and yes they are part of the problem but they are not starving the civilian population

Gloriia · 28/07/2025 15:36

'They are terrorists, they don't follow the rules. The problem is hamas'
'No they don't follow the rules and yes they are part of the problem but they are not starving the civilian population'

It is in hamas' interests to make gazans suffer as proven by all the horror over some of the fake pictures. It is not in the IDFs interests to have celebs and free palestiners blame them.

The IDF warned civilians of attacks, it would be a serious about turn to now be trying to starve then.

Hamas are the problem, let's see that on placards next time there's a rally in Brighton.