There is no clean water left in Gaza

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There is currently no access to safe drinking water in Gaza. Families are being forced to drink contaminated water from sewage or agricultural runoff.

This is a man-made humanitarian catastrophe- not a natural disaster. This isn’t just a crisis, it’s a form of collective punishment.

• https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-faces-man-made-drought-water-systems-collapse-unicef-says-2025-06-20/
• https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gazans-struggle-find-water-clean-sources-become-increasingly-scarce-2025-04-11/
• https://theprint.in/world/gaza-faces-man-made-drought-as-water-systems-collapse-unicef-says/2664470/

That's the other misunderstanding, that everyone agrees with Israel's response to 7/10; Netanyahu played this all wrong. In doing so, he allowed the genie to escape from the bottle.

Hamas is not Palestine in the same way that Netanyahu and his government is not Israel.

Do you think that the Israeli government and the IDF have respect for the lives of Palestinian children? If you do what makes you believe that?

The difference being, Israelis are not being slaughtered on the same level as Palestinians are, are they? If you cannot distinguish between a democratically elected government and the regime that has emerged in Palestine I’d suggest your arguments aren’t very well founded.

If your only argument is “research it”, your argument cannot be that convincing

The pro Israel people on this board are all different, we can't all be lumped in together as thinking a certain way.

We certainly don't all agree to Netanyahu's response to 7/10.

Personally I agreed that he needed to give a "strong response" to show Hamas that would not be tolerated and to significantly weaken their power. I strongly believe Israel has a right to defend itself from hostile attacks and that is why the military abilities of Hamas had to be destroyed.

But I think Netanyahu goes too far now and should be more committed to signing a ceasefire rather than using the war as an excuse to expand land such as settlements in the West Bank.

Hamas' plan well and truly worked. That's what comes into my mind, when I read this. I get frequently get accused of using soundbites. To extend beyond them, in many cases, is futile; this is one of them. That and your view that Israel wants to take out Palestinians and other arabs. The regime didn't just emerge in Palestine. The fact that you even believe that explains a lot.

I have spent much time doing so, why not try doing the same.

No they aren't being slaughtered on the same level but that is not down to Hamas intention, or the hope of Hamas supporters. That is down to Israel being stronger militarily and having a much, much better defence system in place.

Netanyahu is not popular in Israel and will very likely be voted out at the next election.

The regime in Palestine was also voted in, albeit a long time ago. But it would be wrong to imply that no civilians in Palestine still supports Hamas ... we did see many celebrating after 7/10 and at the hostage releases.

And we have seen ongoing celebrations of the Israeli military’s actions in Palestine.

Civilians are being slaughtered as they try to get aid. Civilians are being starved. Israel has always utilised the laws of war, rather than acting as an occupying power. Generations of Palestinians have been radicalised due to the treatment they receive. Why, why would you expect children to grow up seeing their relatives and friends slaughtered, growing up in camps that are bombed regularly, without access to healthcare or education, and come out of it rational and not traumatised?

I’d suggest watching the recent Louis Theroux documentary on the settlers in Palestine and the West Bank. It’s eye opening.

I definitely think they have more respect for children's lives than Hamas who they are fighting. They don't hide under hospitals or schools or other places where children are more likely to be present. They do give prior warning when they are going to be operating in an area which gives families a chance to leave. They do provide humanitarian aid in Gaza, albeit not enough. They don't use child soldiers.

But I think they mainly have respect for the lives of their own Israeli children, which you would expect in any war. Their own children are in danger while Hamas exists.

I've seen The Settlers and in a post above which you may not have seen as this thread is moving fast, I said, I think Netanyahu goes too far now and should be more committed to signing a ceasefire rather than using the war as an excuse to expand land such as settlements in the West Bank.

I believe the exact opposite of 7/10 starting this. I don't know where you got that from.

You keep talking about October 7th and Hamas - this has been going on long before Hamas were founded.

Deflection whilst babies are starving to death just saw a horrific video of a 5 year old who is skin and bones. Israel can stop this by letting the aid in. It’s evil, inexcusable and they are losing supporters everyday.

On mumsnet the pro Israel lobby seems to be strong but in real life and amongst the younger generation there is very little support for israel anymore.

'This' has been going on since time immemorial. Goodness, don't have the nerve to call my posts ill founded, when all I'm reading from you is the same 'facts' that are espoused by every Liberal, who hasn't bothered to research the FULL history of the region.

Denouncing someone as a “liberal” (used in the derogatory sense) for being opposed to genocide kind of sums up your arguments. If you’re so well educated, share the basis for your arguments, rather than just shouting to research it ourselves. You should be sharing the research you have done to come to this conclusion.

You mean youngsters, who also swallow propaganda because it's in vogue. God help this country if 16 year olds get the vote. The last bout of brainwashing, with that age group, was the Corbyn era.

Exactly. People seem to turn a blind eye to what is actually happening. Children are being killed. An entire population is being wiped from the planet, and nobody seems to want to do anything. Even if this stops now, this has destabilised the region beyond repair.

Read back through the threads on this board, for 19 months. Then try telling me I'm the lazy one. Posters have long since given up on sharing their knowledge.

I didn’t call you lazy.

I’m also not talking about the last 19 months worth of threads. I’m asking you, as someone I’m engaged in a “debate” with (and I use the term loosely), to substantiate your arguments rather than resorting to ad hominem attacks on anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

They demonstrably have no 'respect' for any Palestinian lives, including children. They bomb schools, kindergarten, hospitals, homes then shrug and say 'hamas'. They fire on crowds, including children, queuing for food then shrug and say they're 'investigating'. For decades they've been detaining and abusing children, targeting them 'because Hamas'. How obvious do they need to make it for you that they are are happy to see children wiped out?

You seem to be confused on timeframes, in support of your posts.

So the simple answer is you cannot substantiate your viewpoints. You instead throw ad hominem attacks and try to turn people around, in order to deflect from your weak stance.

Have a good day.