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Conflict in the Middle East

27 children have been murdered by the IOF every day for 650 days in Gaza (UNICEF)

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 19/07/2025 15:12

Facts:

  • At least 15,000 children have been killed since the war began in October 2023.
  • Many have died in airstrikes, building collapses, or stampedes at aid sites.
  • Thousands more have been injured, often with life-altering wounds, burns, or amputations.
  • Gaza is facing famine-like conditions.
  • Children are eating grass, leaves, or going days without food.
  • Severe malnutrition is widespread, especially in northern Gaza. Babies and toddlers are dying of hunger-related causes.
  • Nearly all children in Gaza are now considered to have signs of acute psychological trauma:
  • Nightmares
  • Bedwetting
  • Non-responsiveness (shutdown/dissociation)
  • Panic at loud sounds
  • Many have lost one or both parents, siblings, or entire families.
  • Most hospitals have been bombed or shut down.
  • Children can’t access basic care, vaccines, or treatment for chronic illnesses.
  • Wounded kids are operated on without anesthesia in some cases.
  • Over 1 million children have been displaced—many multiple times.
  • Families sleep in tents, rubble, or outdoors with no clean water or toilets.
  • Nearly all schools have been shut down, destroyed, or turned into shelters.
  • Many teachers and schoolchildren have been killed.
  • A whole generation risks growing up with no access to education or safety.
  • Children are drinking dirty water, leading to diarrheal diseases and infections.
  • Outbreaks of hepatitis, lice, and scabies are widespread.
  • Even in declared “safe zones” or aid areas, children have been shot, suffocated in stampedes, or killed by nearby strikes.
  • Some have died while queuing for water or food.

“There is no safe place left for children in Gaza. They are being killed, starved, maimed, and psychologically shattered. This is not a humanitarian crisis—this is a crisis of humanity.”
— Save the Children, July 2025

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Thelmaandloulou · 22/07/2025 18:14

There's people in Israel marching against their government for starving the Palestinians of Gaza right now but those sitting here comfortably in their homes in the west refuse to see it??

Thelmaandloulou · 22/07/2025 18:16

When will some of you open your eyes? I feel so ashamed reading some of the comments attempting to deflect and minimise the horrors that Israel have inflicted on innocent Palestinians.

I can see why so few people visit this board. It is like a alternate reality. In the real world, most people are stunned by what is happening in Gaza.

MissyB1 · 22/07/2025 18:28

Thelmaandloulou · 22/07/2025 18:16

When will some of you open your eyes? I feel so ashamed reading some of the comments attempting to deflect and minimise the horrors that Israel have inflicted on innocent Palestinians.

I can see why so few people visit this board. It is like a alternate reality. In the real world, most people are stunned by what is happening in Gaza.

I agree, in the real world I don't know a single person that supports what Israel are doing to Gaza.

Anonimummy · 22/07/2025 18:30

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 22/07/2025 18:10

So let’s just be clear: you’ve posted a mix of partisan X accounts and one article from a known pro-Israel think tank (FDD) to argue that the UN and humanitarian organisations secretly don’t want aid reaching civilians? While ignoring direct statements from the UN, OCHA, and UNICEF themselves calling for immediate protection of aid workers and safe humanitarian access?

That claim simply doesn’t hold up.
The UN has repeatedly condemned attacks on aid convoys and called for safe access. Humanitarian groups have made urgent appeals for aid corridors to stay open. You can’t seriously suggest they’re all secretly working against their own missions.

And yes, X is notoriously riddled with disinformation. That’s why we cross-check with verified sources and international bodies, not anonymous accounts and war room posts.

Of course, anything that doesn’t fit your narrative you dismiss, even Gazans themselves…….

I’m well aware there is disinformation everywhere, including from the UN, and MN.

My basic standpoint is not that Israel lies about everything though as opposed to a terrorist organisation dedicated to its annihilation, who carried out the kind of atrocities of Oct 7th.

Do you not believe that Hamas has a massive underlying motive to prevent the GHF from successfully distributing aid though?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 22/07/2025 18:31

Thelmaandloulou · 22/07/2025 18:16

When will some of you open your eyes? I feel so ashamed reading some of the comments attempting to deflect and minimise the horrors that Israel have inflicted on innocent Palestinians.

I can see why so few people visit this board. It is like a alternate reality. In the real world, most people are stunned by what is happening in Gaza.

and on a thread with this title!

I get the impression that a lot of the people justifying this absolutely atrocity and our involvement in it haven’t seen a fraction of the war crimes committed by Israel. I don’t know how anyone could be witness to images of a 3 month old baby who starved to death, a video of a child trying to escape a burning building, babies being shot in the head, children missing multiple limbs, a toddler who witnessed his pregnant mother being shot in the stomach and murdered in front of him… knowing that this is repeated tens of thousands of times, and confidently justify the actions that caused it!

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Thelmaandloulou · 22/07/2025 18:35

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 22/07/2025 18:31

and on a thread with this title!

I get the impression that a lot of the people justifying this absolutely atrocity and our involvement in it haven’t seen a fraction of the war crimes committed by Israel. I don’t know how anyone could be witness to images of a 3 month old baby who starved to death, a video of a child trying to escape a burning building, babies being shot in the head, children missing multiple limbs, a toddler who witnessed his pregnant mother being shot in the stomach and murdered in front of him… knowing that this is repeated tens of thousands of times, and confidently justify the actions that caused it!

I think they have seen some of it. However, they refuse to actually see it for what it is. It is sometimes frightening to see the cognitive dissonance from some posters. It's clear they see Palestinians as less than or in many cases deserving of the inhumane treatment they are undergoing.

It is a radical and extreme approach to the conflict.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 22/07/2025 18:41

Anonimummy · 22/07/2025 18:30

Of course, anything that doesn’t fit your narrative you dismiss, even Gazans themselves…….

I’m well aware there is disinformation everywhere, including from the UN, and MN.

My basic standpoint is not that Israel lies about everything though as opposed to a terrorist organisation dedicated to its annihilation, who carried out the kind of atrocities of Oct 7th.

Do you not believe that Hamas has a massive underlying motive to prevent the GHF from successfully distributing aid though?

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I completely agree, disinformation is everywhere, including from major organizations like the UN and media outlets, so it’s crucial we critically evaluate all information from all sides. That’s why I focus on multiple credible sources and firsthand testimonies.

There are credible reports, including from former IDF soldiers, that Israeli forces have deliberately shot at Gazans trying to access aid- describing it as the “red light, green light” game.

Regarding Hamas and the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), there are reports and testimonies about Hamas exploiting aid sites to control and intimidate civilians, which is deeply troubling. But that doesn’t absolve Israel from its responsibilities or justify the ongoing collective punishment, like cutting off food, water, and medical supplies to millions. Or blocking formula getting in.

Ultimately, the humanitarian crisis can’t be reduced to a blame game over aid distribution. The priority must be safe, sustained, and impartial humanitarian access for all civilians, not weaponizing aid or blocking it- which is a war crime.

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Anonimummy · 22/07/2025 18:42

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 22/07/2025 18:31

and on a thread with this title!

I get the impression that a lot of the people justifying this absolutely atrocity and our involvement in it haven’t seen a fraction of the war crimes committed by Israel. I don’t know how anyone could be witness to images of a 3 month old baby who starved to death, a video of a child trying to escape a burning building, babies being shot in the head, children missing multiple limbs, a toddler who witnessed his pregnant mother being shot in the stomach and murdered in front of him… knowing that this is repeated tens of thousands of times, and confidently justify the actions that caused it!

This child escaping a burning building?

Absolutely disgusting child abuse using them for propaganda.

https://x.com/GAZAWOOD1/status/1927341695433085045

https://x.com/GAZAWOOD1/status/1927341695433085045

TinklySnail · 22/07/2025 18:45

Thelmaandloulou · 22/07/2025 18:14

There's people in Israel marching against their government for starving the Palestinians of Gaza right now but those sitting here comfortably in their homes in the west refuse to see it??

There are Gazians marching against the terrorist government Hamas. Why can’t the pro Palestine ilk refuse to acknowledge Hamas as the real problem?

Thelmaandloulou · 22/07/2025 18:55

Anonimummy · 22/07/2025 18:42

This child escaping a burning building?

Absolutely disgusting child abuse using them for propaganda.

https://x.com/GAZAWOOD1/status/1927341695433085045

There were two children who were burned in the fire.

Some of the things you post are really disturbing. This is what I mean by twisting and minimising. Unfortunately you can't see it. What you post to discredit actually is an unknowingly does more harm to your stance than good.

InsectsMatter · 22/07/2025 18:56

Why do they keep voting for Hammas?

Babyboomtastic · 22/07/2025 18:59

InsectsMatter · 22/07/2025 18:56

Why do they keep voting for Hammas?

They don't.

The elections were held 20 years ago.
1 in 40 Gazans alive now would have voted for Hamas in that election.

Cadenza12 · 22/07/2025 18:59

It's horrendous. The lack of action by politicians is inexcusable.

Changerj · 22/07/2025 19:23

Can I ask you something honestly? Why is it that whenever we talk about starving babies, destroyed hospitals, or blocked aid—you always bring up Hamas, and never question Israel's actions?

Do you realise that’s exactly how propaganda works? You’ve been trained to see only one side as human—and to treat everything else as justified

If a country controls every border, blocks aid, bombs civilians, and starves children—but your first thought is to defend them—don’t you wonder if something in the media you consume is shaping that?

What would it take for you to say, ‘Actually, this is too far, no matter who’s to blame?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 22/07/2025 19:28

Anonimummy · 22/07/2025 18:42

This child escaping a burning building?

Absolutely disgusting child abuse using them for propaganda.

https://x.com/GAZAWOOD1/status/1927341695433085045

Right, because the problem here is people seeing what’s happening and it being used for “propaganda”. Not the fact that children are being bombed, starved, and burned alive. Got it.

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Beachtastic · 22/07/2025 19:44

That’s why I focus on multiple credible sources and firsthand testimonies.

Which is why the Jewish woman's first-hand account of how things have unfolded in Israel is so fascinating and important. Sorry to be like a dog with a bone, but I do hope you make the time to read it.

LipstickLessons · 22/07/2025 19:59

Anonimummy · 22/07/2025 17:35

Good grief, that is really a spectacular display of mental gymnastics to try to remove accountability for a large majority of Gazan adults voting for terrorism.

Half of the current population (under 18s), today wouldn’t be able to vote anyway so they are irrelevant to your argument.

If you included all children of each voter in an electorate in every other state or country, all elections would come out differently surely? Reform may have won the last election if their voters had larger families!

45% of Gazan adults voted in Hamas in 2006 and 42% voted for Fatah. Both had long histories of terrorism against Israel.

You can make all the excuses you want but that doesn’t change that the vast majority of ADULTS TODAY in Gaza voted for terrorism, and a life of fear and horror.

The parents and grandparents of the other half of the population today voted for that for their future children which IMO was an absolutely unhinged and despicable thing to do to those children.

And No, those children don’t deserve it.

Nobody under the age of 37 in Gaza today could have voted. The average life expectancy in Gaza is 42.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 22/07/2025 20:07

80 children have already died of hunger. It already feels too late. I remember the first 3 reported. Once this is over, everyone will probably say how awful it was that this happened… but they were complicit.

Personally, this has changed me. Not just how I see the West- but how I see my friends, my family, the people around me. The silence… the excuses and I’ll never forget who looked away.

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Stripes56 · 22/07/2025 21:08

Beachtastic · 22/07/2025 08:54

I've come in for a kicking on here this morning, as I expected. No, of course I don't condone the tragedy unfolding in Gaza. My only reason for participating on these threads is not to pretend to understand what's happening there, but to express concern for what is going on here in the UK.

Those solemn processions in support of "Palestine" were initiated on 7 October and very much set the stage for our interpretation of the Hamas attacks as a kind of valid resistance (the Brits have always loved an underdog). "From the river to the sea" is chanted in our streets by people who say they only want peace. "Death to the IDF" is met with a roar of applause at Glastonbury, FFS! and broadcast by the BBC!

No, I don't live in Israel, and am not Jewish, but I read this with interest. She describes in great detail, from December 2023 up until February 2025, what it's like for her living there. Maybe ask her a question? At least read the thread, if you haven't already?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/AMA/4967191-im-a-jewish-israeli-ama

Thanks
Will have a look at that thread
I can imagine it’s very difficult to be Jewish, with a rise in antisemitism, to also see those marches happening - I can see that it doesn’t help.

I don’t think we’re should stop the marches though, nor police speech that’s uncomfortable as long as it doesn’t condone violence. I would say river to sea is interpreted differently.

Death to the IDF phrase is very questionable - but I await outcome of the CPS decision whether to prosecute- as they will consider whether it was actually a call to violence or hate speech.

Clavinova · 22/07/2025 21:11

BelleHathor · 21/07/2025 13:04

It's inexcusable actions like bombing a kindergarten this morning, unforgivable.

https://x.com/RamAbdu/status/1947201836768731596

"Breaking: Israel bombed a building housing the Modern Al-Jinan Kindergarten in central Gaza City. Most of the casualties are children from the kindergarten."

I googled for this clip earlier and randomly came up with a version on TRT World/TRT Global. In your link, the little boy at the start has red blood on his face and forehead - in the TRT World version, the little boy's face was white as though covered in white dust or chalk paint - no visible red blood. One or both versions have been manipulated (both versions have abdul rahim printed on them so presumably produced by the same source).

Beachtastic · 22/07/2025 21:16

Stripes56 · 22/07/2025 21:08

Thanks
Will have a look at that thread
I can imagine it’s very difficult to be Jewish, with a rise in antisemitism, to also see those marches happening - I can see that it doesn’t help.

I don’t think we’re should stop the marches though, nor police speech that’s uncomfortable as long as it doesn’t condone violence. I would say river to sea is interpreted differently.

Death to the IDF phrase is very questionable - but I await outcome of the CPS decision whether to prosecute- as they will consider whether it was actually a call to violence or hate speech.

"Questionable"?! 😨

When I hear "Death to the IDF" I can't help thinking of people like this guy. So many young men dragged into a nightmare not of their own making.

Crystalight · 22/07/2025 21:17

Gosh. So many sides to a tragic story. And so many people only caring about “their” side. How tragic we, as humans, have become. Shame on us all.

Changerj · 22/07/2025 21:28

Deflection whilst babies are screaming in pain. Turning onto their face and trying to suckle anything that strokes past their cheek.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 22/07/2025 21:29

Stripes56 · 22/07/2025 21:08

Thanks
Will have a look at that thread
I can imagine it’s very difficult to be Jewish, with a rise in antisemitism, to also see those marches happening - I can see that it doesn’t help.

I don’t think we’re should stop the marches though, nor police speech that’s uncomfortable as long as it doesn’t condone violence. I would say river to sea is interpreted differently.

Death to the IDF phrase is very questionable - but I await outcome of the CPS decision whether to prosecute- as they will consider whether it was actually a call to violence or hate speech.

I agree

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