27 children have been murdered by the IOF every day for 650 days in Gaza (UNICEF)

[Wedonttalkaboutboris]

Facts:

• At least 15,000 children have been killed since the war began in October 2023.
• Many have died in airstrikes, building collapses, or stampedes at aid sites.
• Thousands more have been injured, often with life-altering wounds, burns, or amputations.
• Gaza is facing famine-like conditions.
• Children are eating grass, leaves, or going days without food.
• Severe malnutrition is widespread, especially in northern Gaza. Babies and toddlers are dying of hunger-related causes.
• Nearly all children in Gaza are now considered to have signs of acute psychological trauma:
• Nightmares
• Bedwetting
• Non-responsiveness (shutdown/dissociation)
• Panic at loud sounds
• Many have lost one or both parents, siblings, or entire families.
• Most hospitals have been bombed or shut down.
• Children can’t access basic care, vaccines, or treatment for chronic illnesses.
• Wounded kids are operated on without anesthesia in some cases.
• Over 1 million children have been displaced—many multiple times.
• Families sleep in tents, rubble, or outdoors with no clean water or toilets.
• Nearly all schools have been shut down, destroyed, or turned into shelters.
• Many teachers and schoolchildren have been killed.
• A whole generation risks growing up with no access to education or safety.
• Children are drinking dirty water, leading to diarrheal diseases and infections.
• Outbreaks of hepatitis, lice, and scabies are widespread.
• Even in declared “safe zones” or aid areas, children have been shot, suffocated in stampedes, or killed by nearby strikes.
• Some have died while queuing for water or food.

“There is no safe place left for children in Gaza. They are being killed, starved, maimed, and psychologically shattered. This is not a humanitarian crisis—this is a crisis of humanity.”
— Save the Children, July 2025

Yes I will because they are international criminal courts.
I don't believe the IDF as I do not think they are trustworthy and I'm sure you don't want me to believe Hamas.

I know you don’t- that was more directed at beachtastic, repeatedly telling us to read the Q&A for ‘answers’

But you normally do believe Hamas?

Look - believe what you want, it just seems a bit odd when both sides of the war who have actually been in the tunnels say they are massive.

Maybe take a look at this

www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS/GAZA-TUNNELS/gkvldmzorvb/

I’m not going to deny the tunnels might exist. But I am going to say that their existence doesn’t justify the mass killing of civilians, including nearly 20,000 children. That’s the part you keep sidestepping.

Even if we accept that Hamas has hundreds of kilometres of tunnels, it doesn’t justify bombing entire residential blocks, hospitals, schools, refugee camps, and food queues. The question isn’t are there tunnels? The question is: why are civilians and civilian infrastructure repeatedly being hit, even when UN coordinates are given?

If Israel has the intelligence and technology to identify 500km of tunnel networks, are we really supposed to believe they had to bomb kindergartens, bakeries, or aid convoys to get to them? They literally bombed a kindergarten this morning that was having a party.

You’re quoting tunnel stats to rationalise what has become one of the deadliest assaults on a civilian population in modern history.

I’m not going to deny the tunnels might exist. But I am going to say that their existence doesn’t justify the mass killing of civilians, including nearly 20,000 children. That’s the part you keep sidestepping.

Even if we accept that Hamas has hundreds of kilometres of tunnels, it doesn’t justify bombing entire residential blocks, hospitals, schools, refugee camps, and food queues. The question isn’t are there tunnels? The question is: why are civilians and civilian infrastructure repeatedly being hit, even when UN coordinates are given?

If Israel has the intelligence and technology to identify 500km of tunnel networks, are we really supposed to believe they had to bomb kindergartens, bakeries, or aid convoys to get to them? They literally bombed a kindergarten this morning that was having a party.

You’re quoting tunnel stats to rationalise what has become one of the deadliest assaults on a civilian population in modern history.

I had a quick look at your article. Thabk you for posting it.
The article relies on interviews with IDF and an academic who refers to videos he has seen. References includes the same and geological information.The illustrations are drawings and IDF videos.
From my quick scan not very convincing or independent.
Unlike, IMO, international criminal courts.

So you're not going to read it, for fear of deepening your grasp of a complex humanitarian crisis...? I would say a Jewish woman living in Israel at the moment is far better equipped to answer any questions you might have than I am.

OK... enjoy the echo chamber. There are plenty online, as you have clearly found!

Thank you @YourOnMute for taking a real interest in the topic and not just digging your heels in.

Defenders of the IDF need to stop blaming Hamas for the IDF's crimes. Hamas formed as a reaction to Israeli atrocities in the first place.

There have been so many photos of the tunnels big enough for men to stand up in and walk around in, and Hamas and the IDF both freely acknowledge their existence and say they are extensive I am genuinely very surprised to find people at this point even using the words they "might exist" as @Wedonttalkaboutboris says or denying that they are extensive @YourOnMute

@YourOnMute I'm interested now... could you please provide a link to what the ICC actually said about the tunnels being exaggerated?

I haven’t said I wasn’t going to read it. I simply said I didn’t see how it could possibly in any way justify withholding formula from newborns, or the many other war crimes which have been committed.

Yes, the tunnels exist and their extent is widely acknowledged by all sides. But the question isn’t whether the tunnels exist- it’s whether that justifies the wholesale bombing and destruction of civilian neighborhoods, hospitals, schools, and aid sites where thousands of innocent people, including children, are killed. The presence of tunnels does not give license to collective punishment or war crimes.

@Wedonttalkaboutboris I've had my fill today of you accusing me of things I never said or thought - the latest that I'm using tunnel stats to rationalise the war.

Please don't quote me any more or if you do I won't reply because I prefer to debate with people that at least try to engage intelligently and not just by making stuff up to win imaginary points.

I’m not trying to put words in your mouth or misrepresent you. I’m responding to the arguments you’ve shared and the overall logic behind defending a military campaign causing such civilian devastation.

If that’s not what you meant, feel free to clarify.

My priority is keeping the focus on the real human cost here, which I hope we can agree is urgent and tragic- particularly the murder of nearly 20,000 children.

Well, you can always ask her. But please read the thread first, you might learn some useful information that will help you to formulate your question.

I will be reading the thread to gain a better understanding- but if the “useful information” you’re referring to is meant to help me better understand why babies are being starved, hospitals bombed, or aid blocked for months- then I’m afraid we’re not working from the same definition of useful. I’m always open to learning, but not to being morally desensitised 🙂

I can't tell you how pleased I am to hear that you're prepared to give it a whirl.

Don't worry, her moral compass is pretty steady! ⭐

Awful for the innocent people in Gaza who are victims of both Hamas and the conflict to eradicate Hamas. I do not agree with BN and the more radical elements in the IDF at all. I do understand that Israel need to feel safe and not have the constant threat of terrorists lobbing missiles, attacks and continuing their aim of eradication of Israelis from the river to the sea to take the entire lands. If a 2 state solution had been agreed by the leaders of Gaza over the years it was muted then both states could have been great. One chose to move forward and one chose to fight for it all. Poor choices by the leaders and the ordinary people suffer.

Good grief, that is really a spectacular display of mental gymnastics to try to remove accountability for a large majority of Gazan adults voting for terrorism.

Half of the current population (under 18s), today wouldn’t be able to vote anyway so they are irrelevant to your argument.

If you included all children of each voter in an electorate in every other state or country, all elections would come out differently surely? Reform may have won the last election if their voters had larger families!

45% of Gazan adults voted in Hamas in 2006 and 42% voted for Fatah. Both had long histories of terrorism against Israel.

You can make all the excuses you want but that doesn’t change that the vast majority of ADULTS TODAY in Gaza voted for terrorism, and a life of fear and horror.

The parents and grandparents of the other half of the population today voted for that for their future children which IMO was an absolutely unhinged and despicable thing to do to those children.

And No, those children don’t deserve it.

Absolutely education, information, and context are always important, but we must never be persuaded that cruelty to innocents is justified or necessary.

www.instagram.com/reel/DMaGCXRtUWN/

Even if every single person in Gaza had voted for Hamas (which they didn’t), that still wouldn’t justify the collective punishment of millions of civilians, including tens of thousands of children. War crimes don’t become legal- or moral- just because of who governs an area. That’s not how international law works, and it’s not how ethics work either.

Have you read the thread?

This reads like the war crimes committed by Israel are being framed as necessary in order to eradicate Hamas. But tell me: how is withholding baby formula or medical aid about eliminating Hamas? How is starving 2 million people?

Alex de Waal, director of the World Peace Foundation, has said Israel’s use of starvation in Gaza violates the Genocide Convention. No one denies Israel’s right to safety- but that right cannot come at the cost of an entire population’s survival. Nearly 40,000 people have been killed in Gaza, including almost 20,000 children. Starving civilians, bombing aid convoys, reducing entire cities to rubble, these aren’t unfortunate byproducts of fighting terror. They are terror.

You mention “poor choices by leaders” as if people in Gaza chose this. They didn’t vote for Hamas to wage endless war. Most of them weren’t even alive during the last election. Children didn’t choose this. Families didn’t choose this. And yet they’re paying the highest price- while the world frames it as collateral damage.

If you believe these deaths are awful but necessary, then say that plainly. Because that’s the reality this kind of framing is defending.

Oh please, they wanted them shut down before they even started operations.

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/leading-aid-and-human-rights-organisations-condemn-gaza-humanitarian-foundation-dangerous-politicised-sham

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/flash-briefs/2025/05/27/agents-of-the-occupation-hamas-threatens-civilians-who-accept-aid-from-gaza-humanitarian-foundation/

MSM media obviously doesn’t want to report on this. Nothing from the UN and the other NGOs either:

https://x.com/GHFUpdates/status/1943341592737169906

https://x.com/GHFUpdates/status/1947701695678427400

https://x.com/GHFUpdates/status/1947396227097907200

https://x.com/PeaceComCenter/status/1929623084375413216

https://x.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1939999683113365658

https://x.com/EretzIsrael/status/1947343252249575933

Doesn’t fit the narrative and of course X is much less reliable for facts than Instagram.

So let’s just be clear: you’ve posted a mix of partisan X accounts and one article from a known pro-Israel think tank (FDD) to argue that the UN and humanitarian organisations secretly don’t want aid reaching civilians? While ignoring direct statements from the UN, OCHA, and UNICEF themselves calling for immediate protection of aid workers and safe humanitarian access?

That claim simply doesn’t hold up.
The UN has repeatedly condemned attacks on aid convoys and called for safe access. Humanitarian groups have made urgent appeals for aid corridors to stay open. You can’t seriously suggest they’re all secretly working against their own missions.

And yes, X is notoriously riddled with disinformation. That’s why we cross-check with verified sources and international bodies, not anonymous accounts and war room posts.