Anti-semitism in the UK

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Published yesterday I believe.

Evidence of anti-Semitism in the UK

Not sure if that link will work so…

https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1944147294917439912?s=61&t=_cKTNp_TyAyzDViEOCJDFQ

Anti-Zionism is not believing in Zionism. I'm pretty sure you don't need me to spell it out for you.

However, you're supporting my argument that people are considered anti-Semitic for being anti-Zionist, otherwise it wouldn't even be questioned.

You can openly state that you don't want to associate with people who support death to women who show their hair
Islam as a religion does not treat women or men in any way, people do.
Same as Judaism does not mandate genocide in Gaza.
Its people doing these things and you can choose not to associate with people due to their beliefs

Well yes I mean saying you want a country completely dissolved is pretty extreme isn’t it, i actually find it extraordinary that people actually say well I’m an anti-zionist actually, I don’t hate Jews, just want Israelis to not have a country.

Try it on any other country

I’m anti pakistans existence- it’s not a real country the land needs to be returned to the Indians. But I have nothing against Pakistani’s, I just object to Pakistans existence.

Muslims are asked what about Saudi Arabia/Afghanistan/Iran all the time! Even if they have no direct link with either of those countries.

Muslims have constantly been asked to provide personal denunciations of terrorism, no matter where it occurs to the point where someone complained a 700+ document of all the times Muslims had condemned terrorism: www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2017/mar/26/muslims-condemn-terrorism-stats

I can imagine that many people on this thread would be horrified if they encountered someone praising the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan and saying that they are seeking to gain citizenship of that country and move there.

Yet, these same people can't understand why some are similarly appalled by people wanting to move to a state which has been conducting a genocide for two years and counting.

It happens all the time with other countries actually. Loads of nations aren't independent.

You're totally proving my point that you consider anyone who is anti-zionist to be anti-Semitic, proving my first post on this thread right.

This really is a very simple question.

Do you

A) believe Jews and Palestinians both have a right of self determination

Or

B) Believe only Palestinians do

Saying Palestinians have a right to self-determination but Jews don’t is antisemitic because it applies a double standard. It treats Jews as the only people on earth who don’t deserve a homeland or national identity. Denying one group the basic right you grant to others especially a group historically persecuted for not having a state, is discrimination.

Why are you comparing Jewish people supporting their home country with supporting the Taliban?

No really, your point is nonsense. Which countries have multitudes of people proudly claiming shouldn’t exist, I literally cannot remember a single country that theres a mass movement about eradicating.

I agree
Israel is grabbbing land and using their religion as an excuse. Even if you were to accept that they have a right to a country in that area (I don't but that ship has sailed) they have expanded well beyond what they were originally granted.
They have every right to defend their borders but they have gone well beyond that

I'm not going to go into the details, but I will rest my case.

I noted that the IHRA considers anti-Zionists and anybody who criticises the Israeli government to be anti-Semitic. I was told I was wrong, but in this thread people have argued for both those things.
Again, I rest my case and I'll leave the thread.

I'm extremely worried about what is going on in Gaza. I feel terrible guilt, but I won't join any protests because I can see what happens to anyone who speaks out.

I hope you sleep well.

You don’t want to be friends with anyone who supports Israel? Really? Supporting Israel in the aftermath of October 7th should not be considered an unacceptable viewpoint .
It should be considered completely acceptable to support Israel in the sense that you support Israel’s intention to defeat Hamas, recover the hostages, secure their borders and ensure Israel is protected from future attacks .
That shouldn’t imply support for Netanyahu’s methods/ the behaviour of the settlers or any illegal or improper behaviour from the IDF .

You are taking YOUR bias and trying to force Jews and even Israeli nationals to agree with it. They don't have to agree with your biased view against their country. Why should they?

They are not supporting whatever accusations you are tossing out. They are supporting their home countries right to not be attacked by terrorists, their innocent citizens to not be kidnapped or raped, and fundamentally their people's right of self determination and peaceful existence.

Your version is yours. That isn't how israelis feel.

I think some of you have jumped in with both feet to the wrong thread if you just want to bash Israel (or "Isreal" as you might prefer to call it) for what you label "genocide" in total blindness to the actual genocidal threat being paraded right under your noses. This is a thread about antisemitism and I'm afraid you are rubbing salt in the wounds by proving just how right OP is.

As we've established, you think Palestinians should have a right of self determination but you deny the same right to Jews. That is discrimination, and it is antisemitic.

Accusations?
I have made no accusations.
Perhaps reread my thread instead of just screaming "anti semitism" so loudly you lose the ability to think. I was stating that not associating with people based purely on their religion is wrong but not associating with people based on what they support (anti semitism, genocide in gaza) is well within everyones rights

I often think what a coincidence it is that in the space of 100 years there's only one ethno religious group which countries and multitudes of people thought shouldn't exist, and the one country singled out for the same erasure happens to be theirs.

There have been plenty of signs, social media posts, articles, statements etc. from those who support the Palestinian cause but wish to make it very clear that it’s the govt. they’re criticising, not the Israeli citizens or Jewish community. Thankfully most protesters take this stance - I’m sorry that you witnessed some who didn’t. They should have no place in the movement.

"Same as Judaism does not mandate genocide in Gaza. Its people doing these things and you can choose not to associate with people due to their beliefs"

They don't agree their is a genocide. So this is your accusation that they do not share. They believe they are fighting a very difficult war they would prefer the other side never started.

Well there are beliefs and then there are facts

Anti-semitism is almost completely normalised in the UK and it’s a disgrace.

Genocide is the elimination of a people. I have seen the killing fields of Lithuania and Latvia, where 30 000 Jewish civilians were shot in one day. And there were many such days. 3 million Polish Jews were erased from the planet, and remaining Jewish populations numbered in 2 or 3 figures. Extermination was total... Jewish pedestrians were shot on sight, Jewish homes and schools and hospitals emptied of their occupants, all lined up to be shot dead. Newborns were shot or strangled at birth. Every single one.
it diminishes and even denies the Jewish holocaust to use the term genocide to describe the cruel, excessive and merciless bombing of civilians in Gaza. Why do this, rather than focus energy on humanitarian solutions?

You're basically saying Jewish and Israeli people must agree with you about politics, or you will ostracise them.

Getting a random Jew in the UK to agree with your views on their identity and national homeland doesn't help Palestinians.

But it does bully Jews and encourages a wave of hate crime and harassment against them. You probably feel chuffed with yourself too.

@PurpleChrayn I am Christian and have some Jewish friends. Some are too frightened to leave their houses, one friend no longer wears his Kippah as he has suffered so much abuse.
It is so wrong, you and your family should be able to live in the UK in peace and without fear.

it must be remembered that Israel is fighting vicious armed combatants in Hamas... in response to the torture and murder of their civilians in October 2023. No such equivalent whatsoever existed in the Jewish holocaust.
The massive civilian casualties of world war 2 ... have not been labelled a holocaust of Germans. It feels anti semitic to hear the term normalised in this war.
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