Israels plan for Gazas future

[MixedMetals]

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

Just to be clear. I am not actually amused by shilling for terrorists and dictators.

What happens to the Palestinians that fail the “screening”? Where do they go?

They won’t have anywhere to go back to in Gaza.
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/need-a-job-israel-seeks-people-to-bulldoze-the-gaza-strip/

I didn’t say the Iran was a democracy. It’s a theocracy. Political dissent against the theocracy is not tolerated. I am not denying that fact. I am talking about state sponsored discrimination against religious minorities, which the IDF happily allow to go on in Israel, would not be tolerated in Iran. When Khomeni came to power he decreed that the Jewish people would be protected. Pity the Israelis can’t extend that to the Palestinians.

For those who might be tempted to believe that religious minorities are not actively persecuted by the state in Iran here is some information, alongside the persecution of women, political dissidents and lesbian and gay people. Lots of other resources are available, documenting the absolute horrors of this regime which scores highly on any reputable ranking of human rights abuses. https://www.stimson.org/2024/iran-human-rights-45th-anniversary-islamic-revolution/

You're not denying Iran is a repressive theocracy but apparently it's fine to hold it up as a pluralistic society with religious freedom.

You're not denying (any more) that Palestinian terrorists receive generous payments, but that's fine because it's like supporting the armed forces.

You're not denying that Hamas still pose a real threat to Israel but that's ok because you don’t care.

Any other sentiments you'd like to unveil?

Whilst it’s not relevant to the thread. It’s clear from the links and hints on here ( and Thankyou to SharonEllis for that link and Veiled for spurring me on to understand more your comments and look back again over the history of Iranian politics ) that outside involvement in Countries is not received well and leads to extreme views. British involvement in Oil in Iran ( BP ) with the help of the US has done the country no favours. Ultimately it has led to uprisings and the want for self determination. Looking at the current Gaza war and the situation that Palestinians have had to live in prior to that surely we can all agree that countries should be allowed to rule themselves. Only then can peaceful consideration of laws deemed unacceptable by the rest of the world can be negotiated. The history of Iran shows what happens when other countries try to dominate the narrative.

Israel's former prime minister calls the proposed humanitarian cities 'concentration camps'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/13/israel-humanitarian-city-rafah-gaza-camp-ehud-olmert

“It is a concentration camp. I am sorry,” he said, when asked about the plans laid out by Israel Katz last week. Once inside, Palestinians would not be allowed to leave, except to go to other countries, Katz said.

“When they build a camp where they [plan to] ‘clean’ more than half of Gaza, then the inevitable understanding of the strategy of this [is that] it is not to save [Palestinians]. It is to deport them, to push them and to throw them away. There is no other understanding that I have, at least.”
Israeli human rights lawyers and scholars have described the plan as a blueprint for crimes against humanity and some have warned that if implemented, “under certain conditions it could amount to the crime of genocide”.

Glad to see atleast Israeli human rights lawyers are trying to warn the government.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMDGT9LtO-G

Zeitoun today. On the harrowing scale of Palestinian life, this is a lucky kid.
They don’t deserve this. We’re the adults with voices.

It's awful. Thank God he survived, poor little guy.

Looks like more and more people are calling Israel out on their atrocities:

The professor, who is also an international lawyer, said the Israeli military is “less interested in upholding the law here than bending it to serve their own political objectives”.
“We’re seeing that again across patterns of targeting civilians, aid workers, civilian infrastructure, hospitals, journalists, and unfortunately, that list is very long, and it’s not a deviation. Unfortunately, it seems to be a doctrine.”

Interesting comments from Ehud Olmert in the Guardian today. Let’s hope more voices like his start to be heard in Israel.

I'd not be in a rush to live in some of them, but there are more moderate ME countries where I'd live if I needed to. I wouldn't love in Israel for all the money in the world. I couldn't live in a society that uses it's democracy to support a regime that commits genocide and ethnic cleansing. It would be totally out of the question for me.

Where? Genuinely curious?
Jordan is the only one that comes to mind. Does depend who you are though.

14 children killed in the last few days. 8 in the queue for the supplements : “The IDF regrets any harm to uninvolved individuals."

6 queuing for water : “The Israeli military said there had been a "technical error".

It’s a pattern alright.

Israel uses high-tech targeting, but the density of Gaza and use of civilian areas by Hamas leads to frequent civilian deaths.

In Gaza, there’s nowhere safe to flee. The strip is densely populated and borders are mostly sealed. Israel cannot absorb a hostile population and Egypt refuses to.

In other wars (e.g. Ukraine, Afghanistan, Iraq), civilians often have options to flee to safer areas or neighbouring countries.

Dr Ahmad Atallah Quandil murdered by targeted drone strike in the last couple of nights

Gaza's most experienced surgeon he was walking home from the hospital when the stroke happened.

Wonder will that be a technical error too.

Yeah, Jordan would probably be high up there. Potentially Lebanon. If you'd asked me 15y ago, I'd have said Syria, but a lot has happened in the intervening time... White Christian female btw.

However, this is getting it's distracted from the point of this thread which is to discuss the Israeli government plan to create a 'humanitarian city' which people would be forced to live in against their, and unable to leave. The camp that has been described (accurately in my view) by former Israeli PM as a concentration camp.

The Israeli army has targeted 112 freshwater filling points and destroyed 720 water wells, putting them out of service. This has deprived more than 1.25 million people of access to clean water.

Yes not only are they determined to control what, when, and how much Palestinian civilians can eat, they also want to make it as difficult as possible to access water. So using starvation, thirst and spread of disease as acts of war.

People always come on these threads to try to turn the conversation from what is happening to the Palestinian people to how bad Palestinians/Arabs/Islam is.

They seem to think that pointing out that, for example, countries not having same-sex marriage means that it's acceptable to engage in the mass genocide of people from that nation/ethnicity/religion. The undertone is very much "Look at those barbarous savages. We cannot be expected to live with them and therefore they must be wiped out", which is the reasoning of all genocidaires.

The matter at hand is that what the Israeli government is planning to do to the Palestinans in Gaza is so bad, so immoral even the likes of Olmert* who oversaw the Dahiya Doctrine, thinks that it is inexcusable.

*I wonder if anyone will argue that his is not a valid opinion and he doesn't understand history.

This may have been posted but based On the OP, Ehud Olmert has actually used the words "concentration camp" to describe the plan.

Using such methods of acts of war, only work if the the enemy actually cares if their citizens don't have food or water. Hamas does not. Israel could starve every gazan child and hamas would give zero fucks. So there's no logic to your proposition.

What is far more likely is that Israel is doing what it said it was doing and removing Hamas' control over the population and ability to fund terror, by taking over aid delivery. Hamas are so angry about Israel feeding gazans that they threatened publicly to punish any citizen who took the aid. And they have done