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Israels plan for Gazas future

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MixedMetals · 07/07/2025 22:40

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

Defense minister: Israel to concentrate all Gaza population in Rafah 'humanitarian' zone

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

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veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:26

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 13:20

What proof are you looking for? Are the words of Abbas himself not enough?

How about that evidence that Hamas is no longer a threat to Israel please?

You said you no longer wanted to engage with me. Ditto.

Insanityisnotastrategy · 12/07/2025 13:27

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SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 13:31

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Seems to have very strategic timing for dropping out of this conversation!

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:31

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Perfectly happy with my thoughts on the matter thanks. You?

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:33

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 13:31

Seems to have very strategic timing for dropping out of this conversation!

You said earlier this morning that you had nothing else to say to me regarding this matter. You said this to me, not the other way around. So……..

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 13:36

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:33

You said earlier this morning that you had nothing else to say to me regarding this matter. You said this to me, not the other way around. So……..

Im not interested in engaging with you personally as you have admitted directly and indirectly to having prejudiced views about Israelis and Jews and no empathy for them. I am interested in your spreading of misinformation though, not for your benefit but for the benefit of others reading. I note you don't wish to engage with me or others to correct that misinformation. That's your right, of course.

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:46

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 13:36

Im not interested in engaging with you personally as you have admitted directly and indirectly to having prejudiced views about Israelis and Jews and no empathy for them. I am interested in your spreading of misinformation though, not for your benefit but for the benefit of others reading. I note you don't wish to engage with me or others to correct that misinformation. That's your right, of course.

What misinformation?

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 13:49

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:46

What misinformation?

There's a saying about leading a horse to water.

ForgesOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 13:51

I'd like to go in with Sharon and decline engagement with you. Your sentiments don't actually seem very veiled at all.

Abbas: "I'm not going to cut a single penny from these glorious terrorists."
Me: (shows actual video of him saying that)
You: "That's just what you believe."

Short of hacking into terrorists’ private bank accounts there is no more conclusive proof than a confession—which you have.

You’re deliberately doing this and it's very bad faith and that's me being kind. I wish there were a mute button....

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:59

I’m sorry if you believe that anything I have written here is not true. Everything I have written i have either prefaced with it’s what I believe, or I have provided evidence for it. If it doesn’t sit well with what you believe, then I agree, there is no point in continuing to engage.

Insanityisnotastrategy · 12/07/2025 14:08

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 13:31

Perfectly happy with my thoughts on the matter thanks. You?

I think you're going down quite a few roads you shouldn't be. Might be best to step back and reflect on why you're unable/unwilling to take on information that doesn't fit your opinions.

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 14:17

Insanityisnotastrategy · 12/07/2025 14:08

I think you're going down quite a few roads you shouldn't be. Might be best to step back and reflect on why you're unable/unwilling to take on information that doesn't fit your opinions.

Thanks for the very useful advice. Must remember to keep looking in that mirror and self-reflecting!

Insanityisnotastrategy · 12/07/2025 14:21

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 14:17

Thanks for the very useful advice. Must remember to keep looking in that mirror and self-reflecting!

Well, I mean, it's not normal behaviour is it? You've been given the evidence and you're simply not able to take it on board.

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 14:26

Insanityisnotastrategy · 12/07/2025 14:21

Well, I mean, it's not normal behaviour is it? You've been given the evidence and you're simply not able to take it on board.

Been given evidence of what exactly? That my opinion of what is going on in Gaza is different to that of other people’s on here? Why is that my problem? What exactly should I be taking on board?

Insanityisnotastrategy · 12/07/2025 14:28

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 14:26

Been given evidence of what exactly? That my opinion of what is going on in Gaza is different to that of other people’s on here? Why is that my problem? What exactly should I be taking on board?

Not Gaza. The pay for slay thing. Why aren't you able to change tack when you're so obviously wrong?

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 14:31

Insanityisnotastrategy · 12/07/2025 14:28

Not Gaza. The pay for slay thing. Why aren't you able to change tack when you're so obviously wrong?

Well that was one small part of a differing of opinion. But there was no proof, which I was been demanded to provide, and yet none was provided back. Two sides to a coin.

Insanityisnotastrategy · 12/07/2025 14:33

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 14:31

Well that was one small part of a differing of opinion. But there was no proof, which I was been demanded to provide, and yet none was provided back. Two sides to a coin.

I mean, there absolutely was what a reasonable person would recognise as proof. And why do I suspect that your evidence standards aren't quite as high if it suits you to believe it?

veiledsentiments · 12/07/2025 14:47

Insanityisnotastrategy · 12/07/2025 14:33

I mean, there absolutely was what a reasonable person would recognise as proof. And why do I suspect that your evidence standards aren't quite as high if it suits you to believe it?

I’m not going to engage I’m afraid. I know my standards thanks.

Anonimummy · 12/07/2025 15:16

Wow, more eye opening posts.

Pro-Palestinians really absolutely REFUSE to even consider that the narrative they are pushing is not completely true.

Conversely pro-Israelis generally can agree that Israel has got things wrong, makes mistakes etc.

I have a great interest in human psychology and find this so interesting.

Insanityisnotastrategy · 12/07/2025 15:28

Anonimummy · 12/07/2025 15:16

Wow, more eye opening posts.

Pro-Palestinians really absolutely REFUSE to even consider that the narrative they are pushing is not completely true.

Conversely pro-Israelis generally can agree that Israel has got things wrong, makes mistakes etc.

I have a great interest in human psychology and find this so interesting.

I'm not even particularly pro-Israel, at least in the context of how they've conducted the war and their apparent lack of interest in dealing with their own extremists, but I agree with you about this. And I do think a lot of pro-Palestinians ultimately either want Israel gone or don't care about Israel having any kind of safe future, and it comes out when you start to question them about anything more specific than 'Israel bad'.

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 15:46

Insanityisnotastrategy · 12/07/2025 15:28

I'm not even particularly pro-Israel, at least in the context of how they've conducted the war and their apparent lack of interest in dealing with their own extremists, but I agree with you about this. And I do think a lot of pro-Palestinians ultimately either want Israel gone or don't care about Israel having any kind of safe future, and it comes out when you start to question them about anything more specific than 'Israel bad'.

Agreed. I'm not 'Pro-Israel' in terms of Netanyahu's government but the minute you question the Hamas narrative or suggest that conversation should be rooted in verfiable facts then you are practically Netanyahu himself. And the kool aid is very strong. Its actually really depressing.

itsagreayarea · 12/07/2025 23:12

We can all be pro children not being murdered.

We can unite on that.

Many more children murdered today. Including an unknown and unclaimed baby girl found dead on the roof of a car, after she was blown from a nearby building from a nearby building.

They don’t deserve this from any side.

Our silence and taxes support this.

Anonimummy · 12/07/2025 23:52

itsagreayarea · 12/07/2025 23:12

We can all be pro children not being murdered.

We can unite on that.

Many more children murdered today. Including an unknown and unclaimed baby girl found dead on the roof of a car, after she was blown from a nearby building from a nearby building.

They don’t deserve this from any side.

Our silence and taxes support this.

I think on MN, we are absolutely united on that.

Which is why those of us who think this war should never have been deliberately started in the first place also think that Hamas and their supporters should surrender snd lay down arms immediately, and women and children should have been evacuated as soon as the war started like they are in every other war.

itsagreayarea · 12/07/2025 23:57

They should all stop now. All of them.

veiledsentiments · 13/07/2025 00:37

Anonimummy · 12/07/2025 23:52

I think on MN, we are absolutely united on that.

Which is why those of us who think this war should never have been deliberately started in the first place also think that Hamas and their supporters should surrender snd lay down arms immediately, and women and children should have been evacuated as soon as the war started like they are in every other war.

I’m not sure quite how naive you could be.

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