Israels plan for Gazas future

[MixedMetals]

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

I let this slide the first time as I'm tiring of it and its obvious you're going to believe whatever suits you.

But they can claim whatever they like. The PA legally, financially, and administratively pays stipends to prisoners and families from ALL factions—including Hamas and Islamic Jihad. At some point they shifted payments through PLO channels to avoid the crap they got over it, but the system and cash flow continued unchanged.

Their legal framework guarantees payments based solely on sentence length, not party affiliation. It doesn’t exclude Hamas or Islamic Jihad, either in law or practice. Hamas also has its own payment system with a murder bonus for terrorists.

All that aside I really can't believe anyone's even defending the concept of pay to slay providing the slayers aren't Hamas members as if that would be less bad.

Yes I ignored it too. My goodness.

The amount a regular Palestinian who has not been convicted of a crime receives if in need of welfare is £50 to £135 a month.

But those in prison get from £320 to £2700 per month, depending on the sentence, and the longer the sentence the more you'd get. So blowing up a bus with civilians would be a very attractive prospect.

I can't even really believe this is allowed to happen anywhere. Just crazy. Imagine if we did that here? I don't think people compute it at all.

I've always thoight it odd that this is not more widely discussed. I think its so mind blowing. How does this affect the psyche of a society? Its state abuse really.

Times have moved on:

In February, PA President Mahmoud Abbas signed a decree canceling legislation that established the old system, which included payments to the families of slain terrorists and the families of security prisoners held in Israeli jails, based on the length of their sentence.
The decree also established a new non-governmental body that was tasked with providing welfare payments strictly based on economic need. Palestinians — including the families of prisoners and slain attackers — will be able to apply for welfare stipends, and bureaucrats will adjudicate whether each applicant will receive payments and how much based on economic criteria, Palestinian and US officials have told The Times of Israel.

It completely is. Imagine if we said today "well you can have £50 a month in universal credit OR you can go and blow up that restaurant with men, women and children in it and you'll get thousands"

Not enough credit is given to the Palestinians who resist this. The ones who live in abject poverty while their corrupt leaders fly around on private jets. That's moral backbone right there.

I hold the "journalists" and other Palestinians who share images of their pre-war luxury villas with pools because I know there's only one way to end up with that kind of wealth in gaza.

And their complicity isn't just "against the zionists", it's against their own people. Victims unquestionably of state abuse.

We never hear much from the victims of this because they're unsafe to speak.

Not enough credit is given to the Palestinians who resist this. The ones who live in abject poverty while their corrupt leaders fly around on private jets. That's moral backbone right there.

This is so true.

Think you need to check your facts a bit harder.

In February 2025, Abbas signed a decree to restructure the payments under a new name. The same families are still receiving the same amounts, just via a new mechanism.

The payments were simply rerouted through a different body, the “Palestinian National Foundation for Economic Empowerment,” but the beneficiaries, eligibility, and sums remain unchanged.

Maybe if I keep checking I'll find ones you like!

@ForgesOfEmpires The payments were simply rerouted through a different body, the “Palestinian National Foundation for Economic Empowerment,” but the beneficiaries, eligibility, and sums remain unchanged.

How can you prove this? Do you have access to the information of how much each Palestinian is paid and whether it has changed or not?

Maybe @veiledsentiments could reveal their insider sources fors showing us that Hamas is no longer a threat to Israel too!

How about you provide evidence the payments stopped? Seeing as you're the one making the claim.

As if they were going to stop! The PA would be facing riots and worse if that happened!

Of course they have to hide it as it was becoming more widely known after focus on region due to Oct 7th. Not good PR is it and certainly doesn’t hold up to scrutiny that the ‘moderate’ PA want peace with Israel.

For those interested in the continuation of pay for slay payments here is an article from the Wall Street Journal.

Yes, pay for slay is very popular for obvious reasons.

I watched the speech Abbas made at the FRC about a week after he signed the decree promising to end pay to slay, where he said:

"I stand by my word, that if we have only a single penny left, it will go to the prisoners and the martyrs. I will not allow anyone – and neither will you – to remove any commitment, interest, or penny that is given to them. They must receive everything they did in the past, and they are more honorable than all of us"

We will have to wait for the budget reports but I think it's safe to say he has, yet again, bull shitted the international community.

The speech was in Arabic but you can verify it here: https://www.memri.org/reports/palestinian-authority-president-mahmoud-abbas-fatah-revolutionary-council-session-we-will

@sharonellis sorry i didnt see youd already brought this up.i didnt see it anywhere in the western media but it was all over the Arabic

I gave you one : Palestinians — including the families of prisoners and slain attackers — will be able to apply for welfare stipends, and bureaucrats will adjudicate whether each applicant will receive payments and how much based on economic criteria, Palestinian and US officials have told The Times of Israel.

You said: The payments were simply rerouted through a different body, the “Palestinian National Foundation for Economic Empowerment,” but the beneficiaries, eligibility, and sums remain unchanged.

I asked for proof of this. I believe earlier you said you liked to check facts. Where are the facts? How on earth can you possibly claim the sums remained unchanged unless you have access to that information?

We have both posted above.

@ForgesOfEmpires : We will have to wait for the budget reports but I think it's safe to say he has, yet again, bull shitted the international community.

So no actual proof. Just what you believe. Again.

Yes, didn't think you'd be interested in fact checking yourself so if you scroll slightly up Sharon and I both posted evidence of Abbas himself saying the sums will remain unchanged. Mime is literally the video of him saying it 😂

Funnily it didn't get very widely publicised in western media which is extraordinarily selective in what it highlights.

What proof are you looking for? Are the words of Abbas himself not enough?

How about that evidence that Hamas is no longer a threat to Israel please?

You think a video of Abbas saying it is not "actual proof"? Oh my actual God 😳