Israels plan for Gazas future

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Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

I agree with @veiledsentiments,and I'm afraid I think that Israel's actions will fuel anti-semitism

Exactly. I'm certainly 'arsed' about racism.

As I said, the damage is catastrophic , but it's completely false that 90% of Gaza is demolished. I appreciate the UNRWA statement was misleading

@itsagreayarea that report is very damning. 29.9 billion dollars of damage in an impoverished country. Frightening

What was the official percentage in the May report?

No, only hatred fuels antisemitism. Blaming Israel is an excuse and a cover. Its hardly as if antisemitism was invented in response to Netanyahu's government was it? Racists will always find a way to be racist and use any excuse to justify it. But its never justified. Why are you and others making excuses for racists?

Blaming Jews for antisemitism because of Israel’s actions is like blaming women for misogyny or Muslims for Islamophobia—it shifts responsibility from the bigot to the victim. Antisemitism isn’t “caused” by Israel.

There’s a brutal war in Ukraine, but no one is attacking Russians in the street. China, Sudan, Iran—many countries commit undisputed atrocities, yet their diasporas aren't harassed worldwide.

The truth is, Israel’s actions just give existing antisemites a convenient excuse. They don’t have to admit they hate Jews—they get to pretend it’s just about opposing Israel’s “unique evil.” It’s not outrage; it’s cover.

You did say it was catastrophic.
I don’t think I used data from UNWRA. That report is cited on the WB report.
92% of domestic houses are structurally uninhabitable, as per those definitions. It’s not a broken window or fence.
It doesn’t take into account whether they have access to water or electricity or amenities.

The data in the WB and UN reports only include building and civil infrastructure, the a significant proportion of the farm land is also destroyed witch itself constitutes a significant proportion of Gaza.

If 90% isn’t true, and 87% or 92% is true, Gaza is destroyed and this constitutes genocide.

Exactly, Israel's actions give existing anti semites an excuse to be more vile. They fuel anti semitism.

I agree.

I’ve just seen this as I was nose deep in reports earlier on and the thread moved on.
I don’t think it needs a retraction or apology. I’ve cited and given further context to what I quoted. I didn’t use UNWRA data.

I do think your forensic concern for accuracy can be a bit selective also, though. But I don’t think @ForgesOfEmpires spreads propaganda. They’re knowledgeable and their discourse generally fair .

Anyway, goodnight folks. We’re lucky really.

I have often wondered why there are not more vocal protests from Muslims about the treatment of the Uyghurs in China. That has also been characterised as a genocide and has been going on for over 10 years.

Any boycotts set up against Chinese made products?

On the topic of Gen Z’s boycotting Israel, I did notice a few people of that era putting Israeli dates in their trolleys in Tesco the other day while I was pondering over the pomegranates and melons. Maybe I should have told them to check the underside to see where they came from? Those dates always seem to go pretty fast and they’re not on offer anymore sadly although I don’t mind paying full price.

My DD and her friends are Gen Z and are definitely pro-Israel. As are my Gen X friends and family including a few non practising Muslim ones. Just had a few over and discussed it over a few wines. I guess it depends on what circles you move in.

I don’t think anyone on here can speak for everyone.

A lot of people try to boycott Chinese products and have been for years for various reasons, not sure why it has to be especially Muslims though. There’s been threads on here at various times about it. I do. Yulin is an issue too.

So do I for a multitude of reasons.

Does it constitute ‘genocide’ to destroy Hamas tunnels used as rat runs to avoid drone surveillance and regroup, and move weapons and hostages?

Most of the destruction in Gaza is due to the IDF having to destroy what has been called a spiderweb of tunnels of about 350 miles under an area a quarter of the size of London. That means just about everywhere has tunnels underneath including farmland I should imagine.

As well as almost every building, including residential homes, being booby trapped in some areas.

In fact it is believed that is the pressure on Israel not to advance into Rafah allowed Hamas time to set thousands of booby traps in almost every building and explains why it was evacuated so quickly, when it was expected to take several months, because Hamas actually allowed citizens to evacuate because they’d rigged all their houses for the IDF to get blown up in.

Do you think the IDF shouldn’t destroy them and just leave them for Hamas to continue using? They should clear booby trapped buildings manually risking their soldiers and taking up time and resources while being pressured to end the war?

I really don’t get why this is blatantly ignored in discussions around the destruction in Gaza?

I understand the Ummah stands in solidarity united with all Muslims around the world.

Haven’t seen much protesting on UK streets from
Muslims demanding we stop trading with China but plenty protesting about Israel.

Almost every building in some areas is booby trapped?

Can I ask the source of this information?

Plenty of articles online. You can google.

I’m off to bed.

Lots of things are believed.

You’re asking me if it’s a genocide.

Here’s the definition of genocide: https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

Here’s the latest UN report on impact on Gaza, detailing numbers of murdered children/destruction/forced starvation/access to medicine: https://www.ochaopt.org/content/reported-impact-snapshot-gaza-strip-9-july-2025

Here’s but one of the sources of that report, detailing scale of destruction, which is now four month out of date, but published by world bank: https://thedocs.worldbank.org/en/doc/133c3304e29086819c1119fe8e85366b-0280012025/original/Gaza-RDNA-final-med.pdf

Chinas an ongoing issue for many reasons. Has been for a long time. There’s bound to be plenty of people protesting about what’s happening in Gaza at the moment though. That’s quite obvious really.

Yeah I looked there's not .That's why everyone is "blatantly ignoring" it

Only thing I found was an article about IDF soldiers dressing Palestinians in uniforms and using them as human shields in case there was a booby trap.

Sweet dreams.

Looking forward to your answer @veiledsentiments

Its well known that Hamas booby trap buildings and tunnels. This article from over 10 years ago shows its a longstanding tactic

https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/the-hamas-terrorist-organization/hamas-booby-traps-palestinian-houses/

here we have an article about Hamas playing recordings of people crying and talking in Hebrew to lure IDF into booby trapped buildings

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/22/hamas-booby-traps-gaza/

Another on the range of their tactics, dressing as civilians, using children as lookouts, booby trapping buildings

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/13/world/middleeast/hamas-gaza-israel-fighting.html

4 IDF soldiers killed when booby trapped building collapsedhttps://www.timesofisrael.com/4-idf-soldiers-killed-5-wounded-after-booby-trapped-south-gaza-building-collapses/

Of course this is why so many buildings are damaged or destroyed because IDF have to set off tbe booby traps before they can go in. The destruction is caused by Hamas not IDF. As @Anonimummy suggested above its also why its important strategically to move quickly on Hamas controlled areas so they can't be booby trapped. But as we know Israel is expected to fight this war with one arm tied behind its back, constantly expected to give Hamas an advantage to make it 'fair'.

I never think terrorism is justified. However, I don’t think Israel has been the lilly white country that you wish to portray them as. Always the victim, never the aggressor. Simply not true. I think that a lot of Israelis, in Israel harbour a deep contempt for its Palestinian neighbours. Is that not equally as Islamaphobic and racist? For over 80 years it has been the same old thing. Just defeat the Palestinians, just eliminate Hamas, just destroy Iran’s nuclear capabilities. Under the command of a genocidal government I think Israel is digging itself deeper into difficulties.I think many in Israel now face the fear of security anxiety, and fear of annihilation. And therefore they believe they now have the right to do that to Palestine first.

@SharonEllis . See above.