Israels plan for Gazas future

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Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

Because its not my question
Do you believe Hamas has been completely defeated and no longer poses a threat to Istael?

How could I possibly know? Do you?

You can think it's a bit trite if you want. And I will continue to think you are falling into the trap of wishful thinking that Israel will be sorry at some unspecified point in the future because you're unhappy that they aren't sorry now.

Oh dear. You said that you didn't think Hamas was Israel's problem. The only way that can be true is if Hamas has been defeated. Now you say you don't know if Hamas has been defeated. Yet you're sure they aren't a problem for Israel any more? You can see that makes no sense, can't you?

I couldn’t give a flying fuck how Israel will feel in the future. I am telling you, from my own experience that the GenZ’s that I know, and due to my job, I know a lot, will not forget this quickly.

I think its very obvious that you don't have any empathy whatsoever for Israelis but at least you are clear about that.

No. I can’t. I think Bibi has created a whole load more problems globally for the Jewish people. And if you are trying to goad me so that you can then stand on your soap box and call me anti-semitic, then go ahead. I really CBA.

Wow you have the ability to see into the future and read people's minds there too.

What are Gen Zs going to do to make Israel sorry in future? Boycott buying their avocados?

I disagree @SharonEllis Perhaps the poster considers Israel has other threats that are more concerning. I’m sure you are aware Israel has more enemies than Hamas. As such the posters thoughts make sense.

Well there you go. You do you, and I’ll do me.

Well if only it was just avocados eh?

You seem to want to be called antisemitic. Are you? Because while you were previously talking about the threat to Israel from Hamas you now seem to be talking about the threat to Jewish people worldwide caused, apparently by Israel. How can it be Israel's fault if antisemites hold Jewish people responsible for the actions of Israel? Which would, of course be blatantly antisemitic? I was just trying to establish why you thought Hamas was no longer a threat to Israel.

Not the oranges too?

Or @veiledsentiments do you actually think Hamas IS still a threat to Israel, but in your words you 'CBA' to care?

( Why is he known as Bibi. It’s a name / word that has cute affectionate undertones and as such is so inappropriate for him. )

I second that Twiglets as so many did believe these tales in the early days.

Did I actually say that Hamas were no longer a threat to Israel? I don’t think I did. I said that a whole load of other problems were now likely to come to Israels door, due to Bibi and his government’s disproportionate action against Palestine. You have to admit that the tide has turned against Bibi, and the IDF, and the Jewish Settlers, in the occupied West Bank. Is that the fault of every Jewish person in the world? Of course it bloody isn’t. Do I envisage hard times ahead for Jewish people because of Bibi and his government, then yes, I’m afraid I do.

Sarcasm on most people’s part.

It wasn’t Trump this was in the early days It was Biden. He said it after a meeting with the IG / Netanyahu. He said he’d seen pictures and then the White House press office had to quickly correct his comment.

So just to recap: I made a minor error about the location where Hamas murdered children on October 7 - a horror that no one denies- and corrected it immediately. That was three days ago.

Meanwhile, someone else falsely claimed that 90% of Gaza’s homes have been demolished, which more than quadruples the actual number. Just a few hours ago, right here, that happened.

An honest mistake? I believe likely yes. The press coverage was misleading. But no retraction, no apology, and yet I’m the one being hounded thread to thread for ‘spreading propaganda’?

Your forensic concern for accuracy is seemingly highly selective.

You're not interested in setting the record straight- I did that nyself within moments of realising my mistake. You're interested discrediting me. And it is very bullying to target someone like that.

https://thedocs.worldbank.org/en/doc/133c3304e29086819c1119fe8e85366b-0280012025/original/Gaza-RDNA-final-med.pdf

@ForgesOfEmpires I’m parking this WB report here re: destruction. The UN damages analysis is based on this.
I haven’t read it all. But see Annex 1 where it defines damage intensity classification. It includes:

• Completely destroyed: When structural damage exceeds 40 percent of the original asset, the asset is considered 100 percent damaged and its full replacement cost is used. For example, the building has sustained significant structural damage, including collapsed walls, roof destruction, and foundational damage.
• Partially damaged: For assets that have sustained damage of 20-40 percent, the calculation applies a 40 percent damage value to reflect partial loss.

• Minimally damaged: If damage is minimal (10-20 percent damage), such as broken windows or doors,

The UN report I cited only included destroyed and partially damaged. So what you said here is not reflective, and minimises the damage.

To anyone on this thread worried that the destruction is being exaggerated. Have a little read. This is just the dwellings. Imagine living in an intact house in the middle of a flattened neighbourhood? No water. No electricity - no roads. No school to send your kids to.

Read the sections on education and projected social impact.

Gaza is destroyed and will take billions and decades to repair it.

oops. I get it now. Thanks.

You said I don’t believe that Hamas is Israels real problem anymore, no.
This suggests a. That Hamas was a 'real problem' for Israel. We can agree on that. 7th October was a genocidal attack on a huge scale that Hamas vowed to repeat over and over again. Hamas have a history of terrorism against Israelis and stated intention to kill Jews. b. that Hamas is no longer a 'real problem'. So what changed? You said you didnt know if they had been defeated? How are they no longer a problem then?
Now, in addition you are blaming the Israeli government for future actions by antisemites against Jewish people. Surely a person that attacks a Jewish person because of the actions of the Israeli government is simply an antisemite and wholly responsible for their actions? Or do you think such terrorism is justified?

I think you are generalising my comments as I’m pro Palestinian and you are not. We can agree I think that mistakes just happen and are worth calling out. It’s got nothing to do with supporting Israel or not. It’s just human nature. No ones being a bully doing so. I’m done with this line of conversation for now though as I can’t explain more than I already have really

Anyone who seeks to blame Jews globally for Bibi is an antisemite. So their antisemitism would be the actual problem. When people are racists it's really nothing to do with anyone but themselves.