Israels plan for Gazas future

[MixedMetals]

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

I've never said any of those things, thanks.

Explain why? None of those stories are real, they were all made up. Why are you allowed to make little jokes or what ever it is you are trying to do about 'facts' but at the same time you object to people pointing out the horrendous, disgusting propaganda that was pushed at the beginning of this conflict. It got to the point that the president of the US stood up on stage and repeated it, that's beyond disturbing no? If Starmer stood up on stage and said that the IDF had beheaded 40 babies I bet you would have lots to say.

That's better @Whatsinanamehey more accurate reporting.

Of course some people don't consider the UN a particularly reliable source but that's a different issue.

That's dated nearly a year ago.
There has been intense shelling and airstrikes in the past year

You said that multiple toddlers had been stabbed to death in a kindergarten or playschool or somewhere. Something that was propaganda being spread at the beginning of this conflict. The rest was propaganda being spread by others including the president of the US.

None of us mentioned these stories so why are you trying to score points by repeating these horrific, disgusting stories?

We are not responsible for what Trump says, he's a lunatic.

Thanks for this. Is there a link to a publication for the criteria you mentioned such as scorch marks, etc.

What you said was way worse! Hamas did kill babies as you know, but no need to describe the made up torture type things you said.

Plus @ForgesOfEmpires already apologised for getting something wrong. You quite deliberately repeated the most horrific propaganda you know to be untrue.

And the last data collected in this analysis was July 6th 2024. @ForgesOfEmpires do you think the data is the same as 12 months ago?

I doubt it. Just suits the narrative.

Okay, but you just posted "90% of Gaza is demolished" when there's freely available information online that confirms its estimated ~66% of builds have been damaged and ~30% of those are demolished.

So it's not true that 90% of Gaza is demolished, the true data estimates approximately 19% of all buildings in Gaza are estimated to be completely destroyed. Which is a massive difference isn't it?

Facts really do matter. People seem to be more interested in demonising than assessing the reality. They're trying IMO to take something bad and shape the narrative to make it sound worse.

The destruction is catastrophic. Increased massively by the fact Israel is trying to destroy a tunnel network longer than average cities metro as they go, in one of the most densely built up areas on earth, in which there's a vast number of booby traps set.

Compared with other brutal urban conflicts, in cities like Grozny 60–70% were demolished, in Mariupol 50–60%, in Dresden ~75% of the city centre, in Aleppo 33–40%. So it's bad, but 19% is starkly different from 90%.

If it's the worst war ever, why the need to always embellish? I've never seen that happen before with any conflict.

I was replying to this. Those stories were the beginning of that in this conflict wasn't it? Straight out of the gate Biden was standing on stage repeating dreadful 'embellished' stories. Social media and newspapers were awash with these stories that never happened from day dot.

Posters here still regularly repeat them, like the poster I was replying to did. The story of the toddlers killed in the playschool.

That's what I don't understand.

This is an awful war for Gaza, no doubt about it.

Honestly guys, there is no need to exaggerate!

But the data is 12 months old do you think that more buildings have been destroyed in those 12 months.

It's interesting that people suddenly learn to fact check when they don't like the information.

You're right that the specific UNOSAT report I shared is from September 2024, but it's still considered reliable because it contains the most detailed breakdown available.

Since then, several updates- including one in April 2025 -have confirmed that destruction has continued, especially in areas like Rafah but on a hugely smaller scale.

While newer data shows the overall percentage of damaged structures has risen slightly (to around 69% from 66%), the proportion of buildings that are completely destroyed remains broadly consistent, estimated at around 20%, which is only an imcrease of 0.2% from the full report.

So although the report is several months old, its key conclusions are still valid and in line with more recent assessments from the UN and other sources. It is also the source data used by UNRWA, so if you don't like my facts, perhaps you should discard theirs too.

The Israel supporters on here do not regularly repeat those horrible atrocities you listed (thankfully not real but the mental images are scarring).

I believe Forges said one thing you about toddlers killed in playschool that you challenged them on and they apologised.

Why on earth are you still going on about it today and adding in some extremely graphic things they did not say?

I didn't deliberately pick the most dreadful. I deliberately picked the most oft repeated. The ones we still see repeated today by people who read what made it into headline news and who never saw the corrections, if there were any.

But so are you. You have posted information just now which is outdated by a year. You posts things that suit your narrative. You now think Israel should have the right to defend itself from Hamas, because that’s what YOU now believe. Not everyone agrees with you, and you don’t seem to want to accept this. I find your posts on critical thinking, quite frankly, insulting. Not everyone is an idiot. And some people might know just as much as you. Accept it and move on.

I made a typo in an otherwise completely accurate post and immediately apologised. My God you are desperate here!

So I'm not allowed to talk about where the fake news in this conflict started because it was so long ago? Oct 7 2023 was so long ago that we just shouldn't talk about what happened and what was reported at the time?

Just to be clear, you don't think Israel has the right to defend itself from Hamss. Is that what you are saying?

Forges' knowledge is demonstrably far superior to anyone else's here.

It wasn't a typo. People don't accidently type abouts toddlers being stabbed. It's not just a coincidence that that same propaganda has been flying around since Oct 7.

I think you are reading things you have seen repeated on other sites like Reddit or something and bringing your anger to Mumsnet.

The things you said are mentally disturbing and not something I have seem often repeated but then I don't use social media beyond MN.

Could you link to the April 2025 report I can't find it online.

I am not doubting the veracity of the information in the report merely indicating that a report a year old measuring destruction in an ongoing conflict may not be the most accurate up to date information.

You're not reading ny posta, so I'll post this again:

The specific UNOSAT report I shared is from September 2024, but it's still considered reliable because it contains the most detailed breakdown available.

Since then, several updates- including one in April 2025 -have confirmed that destruction has continued, especially in areas like Rafah but on a hugely smaller scale.

While newer data shows the overall percentage of damaged structures has risen slightly (to around 69% from 66%), the proportion of buildings that are completely destroyed remains broadly consistent, estimated at around 20%, which is only an imcrease of 0.2% from the full report.

So although the report is several months old, its key conclusions are still valid and in line with more recent assessments from the UN and other sources. It is also the source data used by UNRWA, so if you don't like my facts, perhaps you should discard theirs too