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Israels plan for Gazas future

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MixedMetals · 07/07/2025 22:40

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Monday that he has instructed the IDF to prepare a plan to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of Rafah, which would eventually house the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

According to Katz, the plan involves moving 600,000 Palestinians, primarily from the al-Muwasi area, into the new zone after security screening. Once inside, residents would not be allowed to leave, the defense minister said.

Katz added that, if conditions permit, construction of the "city" would begin during the 60-day Israel-Hamas cease-fire currently under negotiation.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

Defense minister: Israel to concentrate all Gaza population in Rafah 'humanitarian' zone

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/defense-minister-israel-to-concentrate-all-gaza-population-in-rafah-humanitarian-zone/00000197-e56a-d1ad-ab97-e5ef764e0000

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Whatsinanamehey · 09/07/2025 11:50

nearlylovemyusername · 09/07/2025 11:48

Victim blaming -do you mean blaming Israel? because I can't recall any news talking about Israelis killing, torturing, raping, kidnapping Palestinians on 7th October

Like they haven't done so before Oct 7th or did history just start then?

Whatsinanamehey · 09/07/2025 11:52

Anonimummy · 09/07/2025 11:42

How is it racist?

At that time Meir was referring to the wars against Israel started by the surrounding Arab countries. So she was stating facts!

Do you honestly not think Palestinian terrorism has any bearing on the current war and the previous 50 years of conflict?

I wonder if you will even answer the above question?

The majority of Palestinians are Arabs.

Palestinian Arabs have carried out most, if not all (not sure if the few Palestinian Christians have been involved? ) of the terrorist attacks against Israelis.

Facts are not racist.

No, people using Meir's racist words to justify and minimise the slaughter of innocent Palestinians at the hands of Israel and washing them off any accountability is disgusting and perverse.

nearlylovemyusername · 09/07/2025 11:55

Whatsinanamehey · 09/07/2025 11:50

Like they haven't done so before Oct 7th or did history just start then?

Any evidences? from reliable sources? not warfare, but the crimes stated here?

MixedMetals · 09/07/2025 11:56

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 10:58

Frankly I do not know enough about what's involved in reconstruction to know what is safe or correct, but I trust that international agencies will establish this at the end of the war which I hope will come soon

I have more question for you

  1. Do you honestly believe that Israel - a country where 2 million Arab Muslims (Palestinians) live as citizens - is pursuing ethnic cleansing of Arab Palestinians? Or is it more likely that, after 80 years of facing repeated attacks from groups aligned with Iran and other Islamist terror proxies, Israel is simply exhausted and trying to protect its people from ongoing threats?

  2. Do you believe that a version of Gaza that is damaged by war, will produce a more stable environment for Palestinians than was there pre-war? One that rejects terrorism, or do you feel they will dust themselves off and attack Israel again leading to another war down the road?

  3. Do you believe that Israel withdrawing settlements from the west bank would bring peace? Given that withdrawing settlements from Gaza led to it becoming a terror state that ultimately led to tend of thousands of brutal deaths?

  4. Do you believe that if Israel and Egypt remove the blockade that Hamas and other groups will just say "thanks" and build a peaceful state, or do you think they will import weapons and fire them at Tel Aviv?

  5. Do you believe that if the blockade was removed, that groups (or what remains) like the IRGC, Hexbollah, Huthis and even more distant proxies like China and Russia and so on would provide weapons to groups like Hamas? What kind of weapons?

  6. Do you believe that Jewish people have a right to live safely, securely and independently in Israel and the areas of their historic connection such as Jerusalem equal to Palestinians? And if so, how do you propose they do this other than in their own state? Given that the most popular leadership in the region openly calls for death to Jews worldwide?

These are really just some of the important questions. Presumably if a person fundamentally agreed that Jews have the same right of self determination as Palestinians, then where you come to rest is that they must have their own state and whilst Palestinians openly pose an existential threat they must defend themselves.

Then where you will come to eventually, is that even if Israel is perfect and does everything right, that isn't going to bring peace against a population that broadly wants you dead and is willing largely to kill their own people to get that.

So for me, what's important in terms of what happens next after the war, where people live is a lot less important that how we get to a place where Palestinian people and Palestinian leadership just simply don't want to kill anymore and would prefer to get on with compromise and living. For Israel, I can see a path to them changing whatever needs to be changed to get there, but for Palestinians I do not yet see it.

And that. fundamentally THAT rather than where they live, is what will curse their children to a life of violence, terror and misery.

I typed out an answer to a your questions and then deleted it because do you know what I am really sick of these silly distractions. Really what we are talking about here, right now, are actual plans from Israel who have already destroyed Gaza, who have openly spoken about their wish to ethnically cleanse them and have unveiled how they plan to do this. That is the pressing issue right now. The people who are actively being 'concentrated' into a small part of Gaza, who are now facing, if Israels plans go ahead, the choice between life in a camp forever or leave their homeland forever.

Why you want to talk about every thing but the actual thread topic is beyond me. I'm concerned about the actual plans for ethnic cleansing that I can see unfolding before my eyes supported by the UK government. That is why I started this thread. Not to discuss everything but that.

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Anonimummy · 09/07/2025 12:00

Tooblondetooyoung · 09/07/2025 11:30

It's not lazy. I'm just sick of victim blaming, and the quote you mentioned froths with racist victim blaming. It's disgusting and needs to be called out.

Golds Meir was Israel’s PM until 1974. There were 5 wars with surrounding Arab countries during her lifetime.

Palestinian terrorism against Israelis then kicked off in the 1970s with the Munich massacre and Entebbe, then the 1st Intifada in 1987, suicide bombings in the 90s and early 2000s, 2nd Intifada in 2000 before Hamas took over Gaza in 2006. Still in the present day before Oct 7th there were rocket attacks, car rammings, stabbing and shooting sprees including in the West Bank.

I remember watching an interview with a West Bank Palestinian lady who said her husband had been killed in a car accident. Then she elaborated and said he’d died after his car accidentally rammed some Jews but it was an accident!

Meirs quotes are as true today as they were then IMO.

Anonimummy · 09/07/2025 12:05

Whatsinanamehey · 09/07/2025 11:52

No, people using Meir's racist words to justify and minimise the slaughter of innocent Palestinians at the hands of Israel and washing them off any accountability is disgusting and perverse.

So is that a No that you don’t think Palestinian terrorism, including Oct 7th, has any bearing on the current war at least?

Just for clarity.

Please explain how Meir was being racist in what she said?

The Arab countries who started wars against Israel weren’t Arabs?

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2025 12:10

MixedMetals · 09/07/2025 11:56

I typed out an answer to a your questions and then deleted it because do you know what I am really sick of these silly distractions. Really what we are talking about here, right now, are actual plans from Israel who have already destroyed Gaza, who have openly spoken about their wish to ethnically cleanse them and have unveiled how they plan to do this. That is the pressing issue right now. The people who are actively being 'concentrated' into a small part of Gaza, who are now facing, if Israels plans go ahead, the choice between life in a camp forever or leave their homeland forever.

Why you want to talk about every thing but the actual thread topic is beyond me. I'm concerned about the actual plans for ethnic cleansing that I can see unfolding before my eyes supported by the UK government. That is why I started this thread. Not to discuss everything but that.

Thankyou OP. Why can’t we keep to the thread topic. This issue is huge and yet people can’t face talking about it. Is it the shame that people are feeling that they simply can’t face up to the fact that this was Netanyahus plan all along. This was the plan all along as we can clearly see at Netanyahus address of the UNGC in September 2023!

Israels plan for Gazas future
DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2025 12:10

Here’s a close up for those who refuse to see the truth

Israels plan for Gazas future
DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2025 12:12

So everyone. Where the hell is Gaza.

sualipa · 09/07/2025 12:18

I'm not a big fan of either of them. Campbell, for his unforgivable role in the dodgy dossiers on Iraq and the relentless pressure that contributed to Dr. David Kelly’s death. And Rory, because he’s so often wrong—take the 2016 U.S. election, for example. On the night Trump won (which I saw coming and even won £100 betting on it), Rory was confidently telling everyone it was impossible. Not because of facts, but because he simply couldn’t imagine a world where his own worldview didn’t prevail.

But credit where it’s due: they’ve finally turned on Israel's prosecution of the war and have rightly said it’s impossible to defend what’s happening. Quite.

1dayatatime · 09/07/2025 12:23

@Jumpupjumphigh

"Israel are occupying a land that does not belong to them."

Exactly what land?
West Bank - then yes I agree with you

Gaza - well there's a war going on, so I wouldn't describe it as an occupation and once Hamas are gone and the hostages freed then I'm sure that Israel will be glad to get out of that vipers nest just as the Ottomans, British and Egyptians were glad to get out of Gaza.

Or are you suggesting that the state of Israel should not exist?

Whatsinanamehey · 09/07/2025 12:23

Anonimummy · 09/07/2025 12:05

So is that a No that you don’t think Palestinian terrorism, including Oct 7th, has any bearing on the current war at least?

Just for clarity.

Please explain how Meir was being racist in what she said?

The Arab countries who started wars against Israel weren’t Arabs?

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It is a cynical insinuation that the Arab people love their children less than Israelis love theirs.

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 12:25

Whatsinanamehey · 09/07/2025 11:23

What a load of racist shit.

How is this racist?

veiledsentiments · 09/07/2025 12:26

According to Amos Goldberg, historian of the Holocaust at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, what the defence minister laid out was clear plans for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza:
[it is] a transit camp for Palestinians before they expel them. It is neither humanitarian nor a city.

Israel details plan for 'humanitarian zone' in Rafah, called a 'concentration camp' by critics - Harici

Israel reveals a plan for a 'humanitarian zone' in Rafah for Gaza's civilians, but experts warn it's a 'concentration camp' and a crime against humanity.

https://harici.com.tr/en/israel-details-plan-for-humanitarian-zone-in-rafah-called-a-concentration-camp-by-critics/

sualipa · 09/07/2025 12:28

Amihai Eliyahu (Heritage Minister, Otzma Yehudit)

On using a nuclear weapon:
“That is one way.”, when asked if nuking Gaza was an option
On humanitarian aid:
“We wouldn’t hand the Nazis humanitarian aid,” adding that “there is no such thing as uninvolved civilians in Gaza.”
“They can go to Ireland or deserts, the monsters in Gaza should find a solution by themselves.”
“The Gaza Strip has no right to exist,” and anyone waving a Palestinian or Hamas flag “shouldn’t continue living on the face of the earth.”

Yoav Gallant (Defence Minister)
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed.”
“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”
“Gaza won’t return to what it was before. We will eliminate everything. … We are mowing the lawn. The moment will also come when we will pull out the roots.”

Eli Cohen (Foreign Minister)
“At the end of this war, not only will Hamas no longer be in Gaza, the territory of Gaza will also decrease.”

Bezalel Smotrich (Finance Minister)
“No one in the world would let us starve and thirst two million citizens [of Gaza], even though it may be just and moral until they return our hostages.”
“Gaza will be totally destroyed … they will be totally despairing … and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.” (May 2025)

Avi Dichter (Agriculture Minister)
“We are now actually rolling out the Gaza Nakba.” (Nov 11, 2023)

Giora Eiland (Former National Security Council Head)
“The State of Israel has no choice but to turn Gaza into a place that is temporarily or permanently impossible to live in.” (Oct 10, 2023)
“Create a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, compelling tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands to seek refuge in Egypt or the Gulf… Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist.”

Benny Gantz (War Cabinet member, former Defence Minister)
“If you choose the path of fanatics and lead the entire nation to the abyss – we will be forced to quit the government.” (May 2024)
He added that neither Israel nor Hamas should govern Gaza post-conflict, insisting on a multinational civilian administration.

Nissim Vaturi (Deputy Knesset Speaker)
“Gaza must be burned … It is better to burn down buildings rather than have soldiers harmed. There are no innocents there… one hundred thousand remain. I have no mercy for those who are still there. We need to eliminate them.” (Jan 2024)

nearlylovemyusername · 09/07/2025 12:31

Whatsinanamehey · 09/07/2025 12:23

It is a cynical insinuation that the Arab people love their children less than Israelis love theirs.

You are struggling with comprehension.

It was about Arabs loving their children more than they hate Israelis. Means they stop sending their sons (and daughters, whatever age) to kill Israelis and dying themselves.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2025 12:37

sualipa · 09/07/2025 12:28

Amihai Eliyahu (Heritage Minister, Otzma Yehudit)

On using a nuclear weapon:
“That is one way.”, when asked if nuking Gaza was an option
On humanitarian aid:
“We wouldn’t hand the Nazis humanitarian aid,” adding that “there is no such thing as uninvolved civilians in Gaza.”
“They can go to Ireland or deserts, the monsters in Gaza should find a solution by themselves.”
“The Gaza Strip has no right to exist,” and anyone waving a Palestinian or Hamas flag “shouldn’t continue living on the face of the earth.”

Yoav Gallant (Defence Minister)
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed.”
“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”
“Gaza won’t return to what it was before. We will eliminate everything. … We are mowing the lawn. The moment will also come when we will pull out the roots.”

Eli Cohen (Foreign Minister)
“At the end of this war, not only will Hamas no longer be in Gaza, the territory of Gaza will also decrease.”

Bezalel Smotrich (Finance Minister)
“No one in the world would let us starve and thirst two million citizens [of Gaza], even though it may be just and moral until they return our hostages.”
“Gaza will be totally destroyed … they will be totally despairing … and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.” (May 2025)

Avi Dichter (Agriculture Minister)
“We are now actually rolling out the Gaza Nakba.” (Nov 11, 2023)

Giora Eiland (Former National Security Council Head)
“The State of Israel has no choice but to turn Gaza into a place that is temporarily or permanently impossible to live in.” (Oct 10, 2023)
“Create a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, compelling tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands to seek refuge in Egypt or the Gulf… Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist.”

Benny Gantz (War Cabinet member, former Defence Minister)
“If you choose the path of fanatics and lead the entire nation to the abyss – we will be forced to quit the government.” (May 2024)
He added that neither Israel nor Hamas should govern Gaza post-conflict, insisting on a multinational civilian administration.

Nissim Vaturi (Deputy Knesset Speaker)
“Gaza must be burned … It is better to burn down buildings rather than have soldiers harmed. There are no innocents there… one hundred thousand remain. I have no mercy for those who are still there. We need to eliminate them.” (Jan 2024)

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Thankyou for posting @sualipa. Those comments are truly shocking!

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2025 12:38

Tooblondetooyoung · 09/07/2025 11:18

Back to 'look what they made us do'. We don't stand for that with abusers, and we won't here either.

We don't stand for "look what they made us do" with Hamas massacre on October 7th.

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 12:46

Tooblondetooyoung · 09/07/2025 11:30

It's not lazy. I'm just sick of victim blaming, and the quote you mentioned froths with racist victim blaming. It's disgusting and needs to be called out.

"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us"

If you find this to be racist victim-blaming, I can provide you with some alternative quotes:

Ismail Haniyeh (after three of his sons and grandchildren were killed)
“thanks be to God for bestowing upon us the honor of their martyrdom,”

Yahya Sinwar
In a written message sent to Hamas leaders in Qatar on April 11, Sinwar praised the growing civilian death toll in Gaza, saying the thousands of civilian casualties “are necessary sacrifices” and will “infuse life into the veins of this nation, prompting it to rise to its glory and honour.”

A mother in Gaza (after all four of her sons dyed committing murder)
“I don't have even one son now … we consider them martyrs with Allah. Praise Allah!”

The original Hamas Charter called for “fighting and killing Jews” and article 8 states: “Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.”

In Hamas-run kindergartens, the slogan “The children of the kindergarten are the shahids [martyrs] of tomorrow” is displayed on classroom walls.

So, yeah, she certainly had a point.

Was the wrong to use the word "Arabs"? No, at the time those fighting Israel did not use the name "Palestinians" commonly - they were part of an Arab League and referred to themselves as the Arabs.

The Arab League governments and leadership at the time, were engaged in repeated wars and boycotts against Israel and refused to recognise its existence. The statement was made in the era when the Arab League had adopted the "Three No’s" policy:

No peace with Israel
No recognition of Israel
No negotiations with Israel

Meir was expressing frustration that Arab leadership seemed more committed to Israel’s destruction than to peace, prosperity, or stability for their own people - including Palestinian Arabs, who often suffered the most from these policies.

Now? Obviously not all Arabs think there is glory in their children dying in order to murder Jewish people, and almost all do not feel that way. But certainly there is a significant issue with this in Gaza with children themselves being indoctrinated even in school to believe this. Which you hopefully agree is quite horrible.

The idea Golda Mier was a racist is for the birds. Meir advocated equal rights for Arab citizens of Israel, and Arab MKs (members of Knesset) served in Israeli parliaments during her tenure. As tends to be the case the narrative is reversed - she was offering equality and trying for peace while the other side was calling for death to the Jews.

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 12:50

MixedMetals · 09/07/2025 11:56

I typed out an answer to a your questions and then deleted it because do you know what I am really sick of these silly distractions. Really what we are talking about here, right now, are actual plans from Israel who have already destroyed Gaza, who have openly spoken about their wish to ethnically cleanse them and have unveiled how they plan to do this. That is the pressing issue right now. The people who are actively being 'concentrated' into a small part of Gaza, who are now facing, if Israels plans go ahead, the choice between life in a camp forever or leave their homeland forever.

Why you want to talk about every thing but the actual thread topic is beyond me. I'm concerned about the actual plans for ethnic cleansing that I can see unfolding before my eyes supported by the UK government. That is why I started this thread. Not to discuss everything but that.

I have already given a very clear answer on the thread topic, and explained also quite clearly that it's not important if the situation continues as it has. No worries if you don't want to answer. Most people find it easier to just bang on and on and on about Israel being so awful without providing material alternatives.

MixedMetals · 09/07/2025 13:01

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 12:50

I have already given a very clear answer on the thread topic, and explained also quite clearly that it's not important if the situation continues as it has. No worries if you don't want to answer. Most people find it easier to just bang on and on and on about Israel being so awful without providing material alternatives.

Ethnic cleansing is never the solution. That's why I didn't answer your question because genuinely you are here trying to persuade people that ethnic cleansing is a viable solution.

Not oh people will say that moving Gazans somewhere while their homes are rebuilt ethnic cleansing because that's not what is being proposed, but actual stay in this camp for the rest of your life or leave forever ethnic cleansing.

Advocating on a parenting website for a million children who have already been displaced, lost limbs, orphaned, starved, to be ethnically cleansed from their homeland and you expect people to answer your questions about whether Israelis have the right to safety? Cop on.

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ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 13:08

sualipa · 09/07/2025 12:28

Amihai Eliyahu (Heritage Minister, Otzma Yehudit)

On using a nuclear weapon:
“That is one way.”, when asked if nuking Gaza was an option
On humanitarian aid:
“We wouldn’t hand the Nazis humanitarian aid,” adding that “there is no such thing as uninvolved civilians in Gaza.”
“They can go to Ireland or deserts, the monsters in Gaza should find a solution by themselves.”
“The Gaza Strip has no right to exist,” and anyone waving a Palestinian or Hamas flag “shouldn’t continue living on the face of the earth.”

Yoav Gallant (Defence Minister)
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed.”
“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”
“Gaza won’t return to what it was before. We will eliminate everything. … We are mowing the lawn. The moment will also come when we will pull out the roots.”

Eli Cohen (Foreign Minister)
“At the end of this war, not only will Hamas no longer be in Gaza, the territory of Gaza will also decrease.”

Bezalel Smotrich (Finance Minister)
“No one in the world would let us starve and thirst two million citizens [of Gaza], even though it may be just and moral until they return our hostages.”
“Gaza will be totally destroyed … they will be totally despairing … and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.” (May 2025)

Avi Dichter (Agriculture Minister)
“We are now actually rolling out the Gaza Nakba.” (Nov 11, 2023)

Giora Eiland (Former National Security Council Head)
“The State of Israel has no choice but to turn Gaza into a place that is temporarily or permanently impossible to live in.” (Oct 10, 2023)
“Create a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, compelling tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands to seek refuge in Egypt or the Gulf… Gaza will become a place where no human being can exist.”

Benny Gantz (War Cabinet member, former Defence Minister)
“If you choose the path of fanatics and lead the entire nation to the abyss – we will be forced to quit the government.” (May 2024)
He added that neither Israel nor Hamas should govern Gaza post-conflict, insisting on a multinational civilian administration.

Nissim Vaturi (Deputy Knesset Speaker)
“Gaza must be burned … It is better to burn down buildings rather than have soldiers harmed. There are no innocents there… one hundred thousand remain. I have no mercy for those who are still there. We need to eliminate them.” (Jan 2024)

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My issue with posts like this is that I could dig up similar quotes from politicians in the UK, the US, or pretty much any country - we've all had our share of awful, inflammatory figures. Yes, Israel has its fair share of appalling politicians. But let’s be honest: if your country had endured what Israel has - thousands of rocket attacks, massacres, and neighbours openly calling for your destruction - what do you think our own politicians would sound like?

My honest view? Israel attracts right wing support because the left side with Hamas. And I have seen that time and time again. Jewish people seem to culturally be fairly chill and they protest their gov a lot and have newspapers and groups that rabidly criticise them, and many of them were working hard for peace with Palestine, including giving them free legal help, medical care etc. but ultimately nobody cares about that.

Those people are erased and the biggest crackpot people can find is wheeled out to portray Israelis as evil. which then justifies Israelis being treated like shit around the world - I mean, I have seen them banned from hotels, restaurants, people demanding they were kicked out of sports tournaments and so on. I don't understand it at all. They cannot ever do enough to meet what people demand from them,

More importantly, this kind of one-sided criticism ignores what the other side is saying - and doing. Hamas and similar groups aren’t just talking tough. Their genocidal language is written into their charters, shouted in public, taught in schools, and acted on in cold blood. They don’t say “we want to negotiate.” They say, “we want to kill every Jew,” and then they try to do it - targeting civilians, babies, grandmothers.

So here's my question: what do people actually think should happen? If Israel replaced every hardline politician with a peace-loving moderate, do you genuinely believe Hamas and its allies would lay down their weapons and stop trying to kill them?

They wouldn’t.

Israel has tried peace talks. It has withdrawn from territory. It’s released thousands of prisoners. It left Gaza entirely - and got war in return. There is nothing Israel can do in the eyes of groups like Hamas - and whether people like it or not these groups are the representatives of Palestine - that can solve anything.

So why don't people instead share the quotes of Hamas? Why don't people focus on holding them to account? Why don't people ever expend even 5% of the energy doing that? Because maybe every time they denigrate Israel and ignore the elephant in the room they are empowering the very people who keep the conflict alive.

I recall spending so many years hating Bibi because he encapsulates everything I hated about Egypt and the middle east - I was soft and fuzzy and wanted everyone to have everything and because my mind worked that way I genuinely believed on 6th October 2023 that we were a few years away from peace and the blockade being removed.

Bibi believed, even resigned from government, that if Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and it would become a terror enclave that threatened Israel and I thought he was nuts at the time. But he was right, and they are openly saying he was right. So do I get why Israeli people vote for this? Yes, because they probably don't want to get killed. And I honestly believe when the threat is removed everything else will fall into place. So what I want to know isn't what some dick head said, but what is being done to save Palestinians from the eternal loop of trying to destroy Israel? Because whatever people here think, honestly that is never going to happen. The only question is how many more people die to prove it.

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 13:12

MixedMetals · 09/07/2025 13:01

Ethnic cleansing is never the solution. That's why I didn't answer your question because genuinely you are here trying to persuade people that ethnic cleansing is a viable solution.

Not oh people will say that moving Gazans somewhere while their homes are rebuilt ethnic cleansing because that's not what is being proposed, but actual stay in this camp for the rest of your life or leave forever ethnic cleansing.

Advocating on a parenting website for a million children who have already been displaced, lost limbs, orphaned, starved, to be ethnically cleansed from their homeland and you expect people to answer your questions about whether Israelis have the right to safety? Cop on.

No, I do not think it is "ethnic cleaning" to move people out of a warzone. Please don't twist what I say especially in such revolting ways.

I advocated, from day 1 for those children to be removed from Gaza, but they were kept there to have their limbs blown off by people who decided it was better to let them stay.

MixedMetals · 09/07/2025 13:18

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 13:12

No, I do not think it is "ethnic cleaning" to move people out of a warzone. Please don't twist what I say especially in such revolting ways.

I advocated, from day 1 for those children to be removed from Gaza, but they were kept there to have their limbs blown off by people who decided it was better to let them stay.

Just because you think it's not ethnic cleansing to remove people from their land and never let them return it doesn't mean that that isn't exactly what it is.

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nearlylovemyusername · 09/07/2025 13:21

ForgesOfEmpires · 09/07/2025 13:12

No, I do not think it is "ethnic cleaning" to move people out of a warzone. Please don't twist what I say especially in such revolting ways.

I advocated, from day 1 for those children to be removed from Gaza, but they were kept there to have their limbs blown off by people who decided it was better to let them stay.

This is interesting. I remember at the beginning of war in Ukraine there were stories about people in Eastern part of the country who couldn't flee themselves for whatever reasons they were trying to get children to safety, even unaccompanied or with neighbours, strangers etc.

Why didn't this happen for Gazans?

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