Why do you get all the knobs at Glastonbury?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33514nryy1o

Kneecap and now this.....There are some absolute fits playing at Glastonbury and I am sure there are some virtue signalling loons cheering this.

Hope turnpike throw the book at them.

Do you feel that there is a predominant naiveté driving much of the statements made? I can't always discern where it is being incredibly naive, devoid of all the facts on both sides, where it is a do gooding tendency. Then, when is it something else.

I don't believe we always know.

When I see usually older middle class people shouting passionately about free Palestine - I think they're clueless and naive. ( I am clueless and naive to alot too btw). I won't be protesting anywhere about this because of that.

These people are however potentially dangerous if their simplicity of thinking ( imo) carries weight and influence amongst masses.

Excellent post.

It’s not meant to be a place of hate and incitement though. Emily Eavis has realised this and made a statement.

You think Israel just attacked Iran because it wanted a ceasefire in Gaza…?

What would you say about a music band shouting death to Islam?
Would you you be so nonchalant about the hurty words?

Yes I was happy to see the apology:

Anti-IDF chants at Glastonbury "crossed the line," the festival's organiser has said.

Emily Eavis said she was "appalled" by the statements made by Bob Vylan on the West Holts stage yesterday.

Eavis said: "Their chants very much crossed a line and we are urgently reminding everyone involved in the production of the Festival that there is no place at Glastonbury for antisemitism, hate speech or incitement to violence."

Sorry where did I say that? As I said the law will do its job. Where am I being selective?

https://www.muslimmechanics.com/post/taking-over-the-world-islamization-explained

Wonder if he understands this. Wonder if anybody does.

Good. Now those who posted people who didn’t want this can go elsewhere can take their own advice and find a festival which allows hate speech and incitement.

That’s like asking transwomen (men) to use mixed sex toilets / changing facilities. They’ve zero interest.

The thought of a society led by Islam scares me
That's fine, no idea what that has to do with this thread though? Not wanting innocent civilians killed doesn't mean you support an Islamic state.

The comments are interesting. History is a flexible beast dependent on perspective.

I'm very wary of groupthink, makes we want to turn around and see who's orchestrating it and what they're selling.

Of course it's got everything to do with this conflict. Look further back to find out why the post is relevant.

I had literally people on here saying "I dont care what is happening in Sudan or elsewhere, I only FOLLOW this conflict" - come on, follow? as in what, a soap opera? For many, it sadly became similar to Che Guevara portrait - a symbol to virtue signal and demonstrate your "anti-establishment", so so edgy leftie views.

Not many people shouting these slogans are interested, or even give a fuck, about history, roots and complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (which is tragic and horrible on both sides). Its definitely nor a black and white issue to shout about while pissed at a music festival, and definitely not a vehicle for people to push forward their antisemitic or anti-Muslim views.

It was such a stupid argument anyway.

As if festival performers should be allowed to just say whatever they want no matter how offensive or obnoxious their words are & a reasonable response would be if you don't like it go elsewhere 🙄

Would anyone say that if a white performer was verbally abusing black people for example, no they wouldn't.

The answer very definitely wouldn't be if you don't like it go elsewhere.

The horrible left in all its glory.

I'm really cringing for those dopey people, who think like this. They then get offended when they are referred to as useful idiots, who play right into the hands of those who need a distraction - what a massive distraction it is, as well.

👏 🏆

They have to be locked up and serving time for this, surely.

Two tier policing shouldn't exist.

If you don’t want any Islamic states or you want to ensure that your region doesn’t become one - you won’t achieve that through violence

violence radicalises people - a pacifist will turn to a terrorist once they have seen enough hurt

peace , love, respect , harmony - when that is achieved people become less keen to embrace more raidical movements.

so if you don’t want Islamic states to grow in strength and extremism stop the bloody war

or if you are so filled of hate - carry on but the hate will win and extremism and terrorism will grow

Yeah because 'verbally abusing' a foreign military is just like verbally abusing a black person. Now that you phrase it like that I totally see your point.

When this conflict is studied in years to come it won't be some ill advised chants about the IDF at a festival that people will focus on it will be their war crimes and murder of children. Hopefully it will be there to see in all its horrible glory.

Really? It sounds like you are fine for Gazan’s to collectively punished by the Israelis.

Jeremy Corbyn has a lot to answer for.

As well as the Tories for so much irresponsible immigration over the last 14 years (and Labour the same).

No.
A true pacifist will always be a pacifist, this is why I question people who claim to be pacifists.

We will all fight for something, I'm interested in what you fight for and how you choose to do it.