Why do you get all the knobs at Glastonbury?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33514nryy1o

Kneecap and now this.....There are some absolute fits playing at Glastonbury and I am sure there are some virtue signalling loons cheering this.

Hope turnpike throw the book at them.

I agree with what you said in this post. ' Not wanting innocent civilians killed....'

These debates always come back to and often down to the feeling and the fear that I reference. This underpins much of what drives and feeds dialogue between a large proportion imo; even if we don't say it.

Thus, it is relevant.

If you had read some of the accounts from WW2 you would understand how the mental trauma of seeing their town flattened and pulling there dead family and friends from
rubble affects people and requires their brains

it will turn a pacifist to a fighter if you hurt them enough and trying to belittle a pacifist belief by saying they were not true I means you lose then opportunity to understand how violence breeds violence

Here's what the real Bob Dylan wrote about Israel. Very good lyrics.
https://x.com/anexiledjew/status/1938973705281118615

I wasn’t saying they were the same thing.

My point was festival acts can’t say whatever they want and if “if you don’t like it go elsewhere”.

That’s a shit response and I’m glad the festival organisers don’t see it the same way.

In other words its always been a hotbed of tedious wankers.

I agree so much with this. I haven't read your posts and have no idea of any political or religious leaning on your part. It doesn't matter because your post resonates.

I don't want to derail too much as accept the observation the post is ref Glastonbury knobbery.

Anyone is capable of significant depravity with the right conditions and stressors. I will always know this. There will however be certain conditions and possibly ' regimes' that might provide an added layer to the ingredients that result in capacity for depraved acts. History has shown us that ' good people ' can demonstrate evil.

Most of us here have no idea how this is to live even with our own personal traumas.

And that's why I want to metaphorically drop kick half these celebs and protestors tbh.

WTF?
I mean a pacifist is not going to go full terrorist because of conflict abroad. Only nut jobs do that.
Your post comes across mildly threatening and implies that if Israel doesn’t stop attacking then Islam will take over and terrorist will grow?
Happy to be corrected

Good summary of some of this on BBC news app

The festival has a history of political protest. In the 1980s is was aligned to the Campaign For Nuclear Disarmament and there were, undoubtedly, chants about Margaret Thatcher that used similar language to Kneecap’s anti-Starmer protest.

In the following decade, the festival got into trouble over drug use and violence. Riots broke out in 1990 amid a dispute between travellers and security. Petrol bombs were thrown, resulting in £50,000 of damage.

Five years later, a gunman shot five people in the audience, allegedly after a dispute between rival drug gangs.

The erection of the festival’s security fence helped end those problems; and in recent years the event has been relatively trouble-free, even hosting politicians of all stripes for debates and talks on the festival’s political stages.

The tradition of championing free speech remains, but organisers say yesterday’s comments "crossed a line".

You do think Israel indiscriminately flattening Gaza will do anything other than create more extremes?
It seems fairly obvious that will be a significant consequence of the prolonged and disproportionate attack on Gaza.

I recommend you to read the story of Desmond Doss.

Same. Those who do want incitement to violence and hatred can find it elsewhere.

Glastonbury have said it's not what they're after.

Ironic and idiotic seeing as Israel's latest brutal campaign of destruction was sparked by a massive terrorist attack of the order of magnitude of 9/11 which included a music festival.

Nobody wants Palestinian civilians starved and killed. By the same token, I cannot understand why the massive terrorist attack of October 7th has been forgotten. Many more than 1000 people were murdered - breasts sliced off in the street, got raped, tortured, kidnapped, murdered. To have blind allegiance to a country that did that and now faces retaliation 100 fold is absolutely insane.

No

i am talking about how those in Palestine and Iran will be reacting today

how those who have family murdered there will be reacting

there will come a point for each of fhose directly affected when they will say enough is enough - I can’t stand this any longer - depending on their nature this will be almost instant or a type of mental
breakdown but it will happen

and then they will kill

violence breeds violence

yiu see it in ordinary families - kids who are beaten are much more likely to beat their kids or beat up an random in the street.

good grief - it’s the a simple Observation from the glasto crowd - people would not have responded that way 10 years ago but they reflect hate with hate anger and frustration

the actions of the isreali government today will lead to a less stable world, less religious tolerance , greater terrorist activity - if you support that, then carry on supporting the atrocities.

the greater threat to their existence once group feels , the more that threat is enacted, the more the group will unite and respond with violence

ifyou want a strong and growing Islamic state - feed the fear and hate they feel by killing Muslims

So? Does that mean they can't voice an opinion. It's possible that they are anti Israel and NOT anti Jew....like many of my Jewish friends who attend the protests.

Why do you think Israel and Netanyahu are facing huge criticism...do you think that's unreasonable?

It's not what the organisers wanted for their festival, and I think they probably now regret their decision to allow Kneecap to play.

I think they did that for the right reasons - aiming to be inclusive - but it sent the wrong message.

So a group even more outspoken than Kneecap thought they could get away with taking hate speech a step further.

Thank goodness there has been an outcry against it amongst those who want to see a peaceful Glastonbury.

My feeling is that the vast majority are out their depth. I am. So it's somewhat dangerous to voice a view where you have significant influence potentially.

I do struggle on my position here. I'm a huge free speech advocate, yet, when does it cross into dangerous territory because people with a platform are in fact naive, uneducated on the extent and reach of the problem and also not aware of everything going on. None of us are really.

Opinion then feels potentially dangerous if it has a microphone and a TV camera in front of it.

Getting banned by the BBC and chastised by the PM is pretty much the biggest badge of honour an anti-establishment band could get.

They won't give f@#£

Nobody wants Palestinian civilians starved and killed.

That's clearly not true. The Israeli government and the IDF do. That's why they are starving and killing them. If they didn't want the starved they would allow aid agencies to provide aid. If they didn't want them dead they wouldn't be shooting them.

Oh yeah, Kneecap are definitely responsible for every band there. It always comes back to the Irish lads doesn't it, which isn't surprising given the UK governments discrimination against them, their suppression of their culture and the open death threats to people like them in the UK that get no publicity at all.

Like I said at the beginning of this thread the government set the tone of the people they govern over.

and I think they probably now regret their decision to allow Kneecap to play.
I doubt it. They had to close access to their stage 45min before they were due to go on because of the crowds trying to access it. No such thing as bad publicity.

Significant influence? I'm sorry the Pro Palestine marches have been going on for some time now and they have had very little effect. Netanyahu can't be stopped and we all know that.

Still it potentially hurts their financial success if the BBC refuse to show their Glastonbury performance on iPlayer.

And no one wants the police investigating them - remains to be seen whether they get convicted or fined or anything.

Yep. Just like Orban banning the Pride parade yesterday in Budapest it ended up being the biggest one yet.

Are you referring to extremists targeting just Israel or further afield?