Why do you get all the knobs at Glastonbury?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33514nryy1o

Kneecap and now this.....There are some absolute fits playing at Glastonbury and I am sure there are some virtue signalling loons cheering this.

Hope turnpike throw the book at them.

It really isn't.

People still starve because there isn’t enough food to go around.

Community kitchens provide food for free based on aid donations and at a cost to those that have funds. Gaza citizens can’t always cook at home because 90% of them are homeless, many living in tents and camps.

It’s really not hard to follow.

why is the crowd being infantilised? people say what they agree with.

free Palestine.

It really is. Because theres lots and lots of people suffering, and theres always ALWAYS differing viewpoints about whether or not that suffering is justified within its own context. Just like this one, Israel / Palestine.
Its you making this an exception that gives away your underlying motivations.

Well yes because there are posts by eateries within the last few weeks.
Hey I’m not ‘lying’ but if you think that me looking at SM and other sites constitutes propaganda 🤷‍♀️

It’s really not hard to follow.

It really isn't. Except for those who are prone to gaslighting.

Name one other atrocity that we as a country are currently helping to make worse?

...from hamas and hezbollah...and PIJ....

I have never defended war crimes against any innocent people. If people are defending war crimes against Palestinians ONLY then that gives away their underlying motivations.

None of the things you have shared show functioning restaurants as we would know them operating in recent weeks.

Feel free to back up this nonsense or we can all assume it’s yet another lie.

The Thailandy restaurant was destroyed during last year's Israeli ground operation at the nearby al-Shifa hospital, but it had been rebuilt recently using tents and makeshift structures.
In addition to selling basic meals, the restaurant was also preparing hundreds of hot meals daily for humanitarian organisations to distribute to poor and displaced people.”

Once again you’re calling somewhere cooking basic meals in tents , largely for humanitarian organisations to distribute to poor and displaced people, a restaurant and trying to paint the picture that Gazans are sipping drinks in restaurants and having a jolly old time?

@ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend

"But it's OK to murder 1,195 people including 36 children on the 7th October attack and to launch rockets from Gaza at civilian areas..."

"No it is not and no one justifies it do they? Yet people justify the war crimes happening in Gaza over and over and "

Your response of "I condemn the terrorist attacks of 7th October, but what about ..." neatly illustrates the problem here and is actually an attempt to justify it.

Imagine if someone wrote:
"I condemn the Nazis for killing 6 million in concentration camps but what about..."
Or
"I condemn the Manchester Arena bombing killing 22 people and injuring 1000 more, but what about..."
Or
"I condemn Turkey's massacre of 1 million Armenians but what about..."

All the above are attempts to provide an explanation for these atrocities and if not justify them then at least provide a rationale for them.

Yemen

After 18 months, you still don't understand that antisemitism is at the heart of the conflict - it's not a symptom, it's the root cause. @Dangermoo

That very shallow statement is a perfect illustration that you simply don't understand the conflict. It is far, far more nuanced, goes back over 150 years and involves historical wrongs from both parties.
Believing that the Palestinians' grievances are simply based on a hatred of Jews is a simplistic attempt to justify in your own mind why the Palestinians show Israel their aggression. By thinking it's all just about Jew hate, it allows you to ignore or dismiss what their grievances might be.

But if you just want to go on believing that it's all about antisemitism and there's pretty much not else to consider, well carry on, but most of us (fortunately) don't think like you.

That’s what concerns me.
Everyone focused on Israel as the enemy but the Gaza ‘government’ seems to not be interested in starving kids.
Hamas is the problem. They seriously need to be removed

This is a very good response.
Especially “if you are not antisemitic are you tapping into the activities, concerns and priorities of people that are?”
I think there is a lot of that going on

Saudi Arabia? For the Yemen conflict? We’re flogging arms to them as well.

@GiddyRoseCrab

"I've noticed people calling for this guy to serve the same sentence as Lucy Connolly but for me there is a big difference - Connolly called for a group of people to be set on fire, she was suggesting harm to individuals. His chant absolutely could have meant death to those individuals, however it could have meant death to that particular group in the sense that the group should be disbanded, not suggesting actual murder. Of course, it’s all about intent, but I don’t think the two are the same"

Nice try but bollocks nonetheless.

Firstly Lucy Connolly did not call for a group of people to be set on fire. Instead she stated that she didn't care if a group of people were set on fire. There is a big difference between actively calling for the death and destruction of a group of people and saying that you don't really care if there is the death and destruction of a group of people. Just like many people today don't care about the death and enslavement of Sudanese Christians.

Secondly trying to interpret "death to the IDF" could mean simply the peaceful disbandment of Israel's military is just plain bollocks and you know it.

I always wonder this. Egypt is in control of the Rafa crossing currently.

Well you've moved the goalposts slightly by making it about whether or not we ( our country ) are making it worse...

My point was only that there are differing opinions on all conflict areas that would lead differing groups to justify it.

So, only really briefly as an example- Ukraine / Russia, some Russians would passionately defend them taking back land they feel is historically theirs, so they would defend Russia's actions.

You could argue that our healthy trade with China is supporting their crimes against the Uyghurs.

Indeed. Shame on me for forgetting

Can I ask why Egypt has built a big wall to keep the Gazans out and why none of the neighbouring Arab countries or Turkey have taken in Gazans? In contrast to the huge number of neighbouring countries who took in Ukrainian refugees?

Why can't Israel take civilian refugees from Gaza? At least those in dire need of medical treatment.

Israel has been accused of war crimes by the ICJ. There are warrants out for its leaders. Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian land since the 1960s. This is internationally recognised by the UN and international courts. This encroachment continues to the present day unchecked and in breach of international law with the destruction of Palestinian villages and displacement of its people in the West Bank.
The humanitarian aid in Gaza has been a fiasco of horrific levels and Israel refused to let legitimate experienced aid agencies involved in the delivery of aid.
Israel has every right to defend itself, as does any country, but its ongoing long-term destruction of Gaza, bombing of civilians and civilian assets, destruction of civilian infrastructure, statements of its politicians relating to the destruction of Gaza, and the actions leading to accusation of war crimes by international courts is extremely cruel, disportionate and goes beyond any legal right to defend itself. Argument of civilian shields have been described as grossly exaggerated under international law.

I appreciate that some posters may disagree but I believe that the vast majority of the world's population do not.

.....you can ask.....
Gone a bit quiet on the 'freedom march to gaza' front. Are they still being tended to buy Egypt? I hope they've at least been offered sandwiches.

Lots of complex reasons. One of them being fear of permanent displacement
Egypt - and many Arab countries, fear that if Palestinians flee Gaza en masse they won’t be allowed back and it could be seen as helping complete ethnic cleansing.
This echoes 1948 and 1967, when Palestinians fled wars and were never allowed home.
“We will not be complicit in the liquidation of the Palestinian cause.” - President Abdel Fattah el‑Sisi (Oct 2023)

@Zombiefluff Okey dokie 👍
So why can I get a hotel with breakfast in Palestine for 2 nights on July 1st?