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Conflict in the Middle East

Why do you get all the knobs at Glastonbury?

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mids2019 · 29/06/2025 06:14

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33514nryy1o

Kneecap and now this.....There are some absolute fits playing at Glastonbury and I am sure there are some virtue signalling loons cheering this.

Hope turnpike throw the book at them.

Bobby Vylan of British duo Bob Vylan performs on the West Holts Stage

Police review footage of chants led by Glastonbury acts

The government condemned chants from rap duo Bob Vylan which were streamed live and called for "death" to the Israeli military.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33514nryy1o

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crazeekat · 29/06/2025 19:06

Martymcfly24 · 29/06/2025 07:02

Here we go again.

"virtue signalling"
"Lefties"
"Useful idiots"
"No critical thinking "
"Just go to Gaza "
Etc etc
(It's like a Daily Mail comment section around these threads)

Headline news will be an obscure band shouting death to a military that we have seen over the past 20 months kill and maim thousands of children.

Let's all talk about that and not the fact that an IDF member has said they have orders to shoot starving people trying to get aid

Oh it's much more important that we get all horrified and indignant about Palestinian flags than the 3 children and their parents who were sleeping in a tent Thursday night killed because the IDF landed an airstrike on them.
Where's the Daily Mail headline here?

If words hurt so much why are we not discussing Ben Gvir saying 3 days ago that all aid should be stopped to Gaza condemning millions to death.

Is thousands of Israelis shouting "Death to Arabs" on the 26th May an issue or is it only an issue when it's a band saying things.

But yes let's all talk about a music band.

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Pleaseshutthefuckup · 29/06/2025 19:09

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I will have to research into this as I don't know enough about this which you highlight, in order to answer.

I unfortunately don't know of the most reliable information sources so will attempt to look at a few......

Edit - my immediate response internally is that there have always been fundamental Islam ' issues '. We didn't know about them.

I have no proof of that so need to look into this.

Alexandra2001 · 29/06/2025 19:16

mids2019 · 29/06/2025 17:12

It's that continual creep of anti senitism and hate speech against Jews being normalised. I am glad Galstonbury apologised and I am sure the organisers were a little disingenuous about allowing the politics of the middle East into what should be a life affirming event.

The f%wit who made those comments is now basking in the controversy presumably because they were a bit shi t musically and why not get some fame for being a dick?

It just seemed as others have not banning kneecap seemed to give the impression anything was allowed so there was a certain inevitability about this. The deal thing is that there was great music at the festival and to have this year marred in such a way is really disappointing. Have to say this is the epitomy of how the left in politics has been somehow pulled in a direction support Islamist terrorism. People need to wake up.

The creep of antisemitism is to be opposed at every opportunity but the state of Israel also has to behave inside international law.

Atm they are not, providing oxygen for the antisemites

Which is what, to their credit, the govt has said too.

EasternStandard · 29/06/2025 19:17

Martymcfly24 · 29/06/2025 07:02

Here we go again.

"virtue signalling"
"Lefties"
"Useful idiots"
"No critical thinking "
"Just go to Gaza "
Etc etc
(It's like a Daily Mail comment section around these threads)

Headline news will be an obscure band shouting death to a military that we have seen over the past 20 months kill and maim thousands of children.

Let's all talk about that and not the fact that an IDF member has said they have orders to shoot starving people trying to get aid

Oh it's much more important that we get all horrified and indignant about Palestinian flags than the 3 children and their parents who were sleeping in a tent Thursday night killed because the IDF landed an airstrike on them.
Where's the Daily Mail headline here?

If words hurt so much why are we not discussing Ben Gvir saying 3 days ago that all aid should be stopped to Gaza condemning millions to death.

Is thousands of Israelis shouting "Death to Arabs" on the 26th May an issue or is it only an issue when it's a band saying things.

But yes let's all talk about a music band.

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It's more let's talk about incitement to violence and hatred. Which at least Glastonbury has made a statement on.

PaxAeterna · 29/06/2025 19:17

Hamiltonfan · 29/06/2025 18:51

Ummm no they haven't. Unfortunately Hamas hide amongst civilians and in tunnels. Have you tried to blow up a tunnel without touching the building above it?

Lots of Gaza is functioning normally. I follow a few restaurants who are doing a roaring trade and manage to post photos of their produce daily, despite there being no internet or food.

Even the Israeli government themselves say that Gaza is unliveable. Do you think they are lying?

I 100% agree with Wes Streeting on the matter of the chanting. I thought he did an excellent interview on it and I agree with every word he said. It’s not a football match as he said.

Pleaseshutthefuckup · 29/06/2025 19:20

crazeekat · 29/06/2025 19:06

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Over simplification again. I don't believe anyone here is ok with things going on that impact Palestinian people.

When people don't fully understand wtf is going on, what they're saying and the implications of that - it's dangerous.

In the first instance I think of people in that crowd who might feel pretty afraid after knobski said that.

So I won't be donning placards anywhere because I possibly cannot know enough. I don't understand the ramifications enough. I have no influence anyway I'm sure.

Yet, it's important people recognise their impact. The dicks at Glastonbury can and do have some impact, even if it's just upon those in the crowd who will be vulnerable to that.

And as rightly pointed out - what will the Police do about this? Will it match what has happened to people in other spheres saying things that would incite hatred?

We know the answer to this question. And I don't like it one bit.

Hamiltonfan · 29/06/2025 19:22

crazeekat · 29/06/2025 19:06

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Read the Hebrew version of the article rather than the translated English version. The soldier interviewed has been horribly misquoted

SomethingFun · 29/06/2025 19:26

Free Palestine is Trans rights are human rights for 2025. Something superficially ‘right on’ and lefty, but thought terminating and probably not said by many nuanced thinkers.

I am sorry if many people in NI don’t want to be part of the UK and feel they don’t have a choice.

I am sorry that Jewish people in the UK are experiencing such fear and antisemitism. As usual intolerant people don’t see their antisemitism on this thread and every other bloody one.

Hamiltonfan · 29/06/2025 19:29

https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1939388411623649698?t=eI2DFM5WrWNtMS28PMX_Jw&s=09 just popping this here. How do you rationalise this mentality? And how do you live side by side with them?

veiledsentiments · 29/06/2025 19:30

Pleaseshutthefuckup · 29/06/2025 19:09

I will have to research into this as I don't know enough about this which you highlight, in order to answer.

I unfortunately don't know of the most reliable information sources so will attempt to look at a few......

Edit - my immediate response internally is that there have always been fundamental Islam ' issues '. We didn't know about them.

I have no proof of that so need to look into this.

Edited

If you wish to research, you will most likely read about the Farhud in Baghdad, some of the program like riots in Damascus etc, but bear in mind these were all as a result of Zionism. If in doubt research Avi Shlaim’s book Three Worlds, memoirs of an Arab Jew.

thethingthatshouldnotbee · 29/06/2025 19:40

veiledsentiments · 29/06/2025 19:30

If you wish to research, you will most likely read about the Farhud in Baghdad, some of the program like riots in Damascus etc, but bear in mind these were all as a result of Zionism. If in doubt research Avi Shlaim’s book Three Worlds, memoirs of an Arab Jew.

Blaming pogroms on Jews rather than the people who actually instigated and carried them out. Convenient.

veiledsentiments · 29/06/2025 19:47

thethingthatshouldnotbee · 29/06/2025 19:40

Blaming pogroms on Jews rather than the people who actually instigated and carried them out. Convenient.

The people that instigated the pograms were obviously wrong, but without the threat of Zionism and the threat of a colonial invasion, then the pogroms would have never happened. Compared to the pograms in Europe, which were purely anti-Semitic.

Hamiltonfan · 29/06/2025 19:49

veiledsentiments · 29/06/2025 19:47

The people that instigated the pograms were obviously wrong, but without the threat of Zionism and the threat of a colonial invasion, then the pogroms would have never happened. Compared to the pograms in Europe, which were purely anti-Semitic.

Do you actually know what Zionism is? It is now banded around as an alternative word to Jewish to "avoid" being labelled anti-Semitic. It actually means that you acknowledge that Jewish people have the right to a homeland. Jewish people literally have 1 country in the entire world. And with the way the rhetoric is going in Europe, thank goodness they do as we no longer feel welcome here.

Livelovebehappy · 29/06/2025 19:50

Stripes56 · 29/06/2025 17:23

Kneecap’s event at Glastonbury was expected to be highly political. The crowd was at capacity- 30,000 (usual capacity for the stage) and had to closed 45 min before the band played.

People knew exactly what to expect. There were multiple Palestinian flags flying- brought in anticipation.

As one of band said- there is a generation of youngsters who have seen events from Gaza live streamed through their phones and there is massive interest in this.
https://news.sky.com/story/kneecap-rapper-mo-chara-says-hes-a-free-man-as-band-draw-huge-glastonbury-crowd-13389645

There event in Coachella was also similarly popular.

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But those going with that expectation were clearly going to watch them purely for his statements and controversy about the Palestine situation. I’m betting most of those with the flags had never heard of them, and weren’t even interested in their songs. A bit desperate to get the numbers up when surely they knew people were watching them just because they were appeasing the terrorist sympathisers, rather than for their musical talent (?).

Hamiltonfan · 29/06/2025 19:52

Antisemitism isn't just back, it's mainstream. Europe is no longer slipping into darkness. It’s racing. We were told 1945 changed things. That the world saw the gas chambers, the mass graves, the numbers carved into skin and vowed, “Never Again.” But today, in 2025, Jews are once again hiding mezuzahs, fearing kippahs, scrubbing swastikas off their doors and wondering if their future lies anywhere but Europe.

This isn’t about fringe neo-Nazis. This is about students, unions, journalists, feminist groups, “human rights” activists, and politicians. It’s about marches that claim to stand for freedom but bar Jewish women from joining. It’s about universities where “Zionist” students are assaulted and excluded. It’s about mobs tracking down Jews in Amsterdam and beating them in the streets. It’s about rapes, arson, assaults, graffiti, threats, vandalism, silence and applause.

And don’t you dare say this is “just about Israel.” Tell that to the 12-year-old Jewish girl gang raped in France. Tell that to the rabbi whose house was defaced with threats to “send him to the gas chamber.” Tell that to the Jewish kids on school buses being pelted with rocks. This isn’t resistance. This isn’t anti-colonialism. This is pogrom energy. With Wi-Fi.

The left has betrayed the Jewish people. So has the liberal West. When your “anti-racist” cause makes excuses for the rape of Israeli women, when your “freedom” slogans include Hamas talking points, when you march side by side with those chanting “from the river to the sea,” you are not fighting injustice. You are reenacting it.

Israel now sees what’s happening. Jews around the world see it too. And no amount of gaslighting or performative outrage can change what’s visible in the streets of Paris, Berlin, London, and Dublin: The Jews are being told again that they don’t belong.

We will not be silent. We will not bow. And we will not let history repeat itself without a fight this time.

Not my words. But extremely powerful and representative of how most British Jews feel.

veiledsentiments · 29/06/2025 19:55

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quantumbutterfly · 29/06/2025 19:58

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Weren't there? One might consider the islamic supremacy of arabic and ottoman colonialism a form of fundamentalism.

thethingthatshouldnotbee · 29/06/2025 19:58

veiledsentiments · 29/06/2025 19:47

The people that instigated the pograms were obviously wrong, but without the threat of Zionism and the threat of a colonial invasion, then the pogroms would have never happened. Compared to the pograms in Europe, which were purely anti-Semitic.

Funny, zionism was the excuse that the perpetrators used too. And the Nazis who encouraged them.

Livelovebehappy · 29/06/2025 19:58

Hamiltonfan · 29/06/2025 19:49

Do you actually know what Zionism is? It is now banded around as an alternative word to Jewish to "avoid" being labelled anti-Semitic. It actually means that you acknowledge that Jewish people have the right to a homeland. Jewish people literally have 1 country in the entire world. And with the way the rhetoric is going in Europe, thank goodness they do as we no longer feel welcome here.

You are very welcome here. The people who are vocal about Palestine are not representative of the majority population of the UK. There are certain towns and cities where the demographic very much aligns with their friends Hamas, but you’ll find most other towns and cities are very pro Israeli. They think 100,000 marching in London on the odd weekend means the UK is Pro Palestinian. It really isn’t, or where are the other 67million plus??

thethingthatshouldnotbee · 29/06/2025 19:59

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You mention the Farhud in one breath and then come out with this.

Hamiltonfan · 29/06/2025 20:00

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Um not quite true. In Israel Jews live side by side with Christians and Arabs. It is the most multicultural country. Arabs serve in the parliament and in very high judicial positions. Most Gazans originate from Jordan. May be worth reading up on wny Jordan kicked them out, why Egypt has closed it's border with Gaza and why no middle Eastern Muslim country will take them.

quantumbutterfly · 29/06/2025 20:02

Hamiltonfan · 29/06/2025 18:51

Ummm no they haven't. Unfortunately Hamas hide amongst civilians and in tunnels. Have you tried to blow up a tunnel without touching the building above it?

Lots of Gaza is functioning normally. I follow a few restaurants who are doing a roaring trade and manage to post photos of their produce daily, despite there being no internet or food.

Lots of booby trapped buildings too, sometimes with recordings of babies crying to encourage investigation.

Hamiltonfan · 29/06/2025 20:02

Livelovebehappy · 29/06/2025 19:58

You are very welcome here. The people who are vocal about Palestine are not representative of the majority population of the UK. There are certain towns and cities where the demographic very much aligns with their friends Hamas, but you’ll find most other towns and cities are very pro Israeli. They think 100,000 marching in London on the odd weekend means the UK is Pro Palestinian. It really isn’t, or where are the other 67million plus??

Thank you. But if 100000 people were marching week in week out against you, I'm not sure you'd feel that way.

veiledsentiments · 29/06/2025 20:04

thethingthatshouldnotbee · 29/06/2025 19:59

You mention the Farhud in one breath and then come out with this.

Qué!

SharonEllis · 29/06/2025 20:06

Zombiefluff · 29/06/2025 18:55

In January 60% of buildings in Gaza had been destroyed. I dread to think what the tally would be after the last few months. Even if we wildly assume no further damage its just objectively not true to claim it hadn’t been destroyed when they have less than half the infrastructure and buildings.

“lots of Gaza is functioning normally” is just factually incorrect.

No, damaged or destroyed. There is a huge difference between damaged and destroyed.

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