Why do you get all the knobs at Glastonbury?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33514nryy1o

Kneecap and now this.....There are some absolute fits playing at Glastonbury and I am sure there are some virtue signalling loons cheering this.

Hope turnpike throw the book at them.

You’re with Wes Streeting? Who also condemned the anti IDF chants and described them as “appalling”.

no feelings one way or the other, just wondered if it was an amusing typo or a deliberate sentiment.

That idf article in haaretz was poorly translated. If you read the Hebrew, you can see it was totally misconstrued. The soldiers fire into the air when Hamas militants are present to warn them against trying to steal food.

Though Kneecap & Vylan do appear to be prime wazzocks.

I have not once suggested I condoned the chants but I also do not have any sympathy for the IDF and I am far more concerned about their actions and the actions of the Israeli government than a chant at a festival. I agree that the Israeli government have not got any moral authority on this one and their criticism of the BBC and UK government is pathetic.

It’s not just about what they want but what the festival wants.

And they have condemned the chants as incitement and antisemitism. So they get the final say.

If people want that kind of thing they’ll have to find it somewhere else.

I don't like oppression of people and I absolutely believe the Irish have historically suffered just to add.

I can't imagine what Palestinian people are suffering. I know they are. I know that 'bad things' to put it simplistically are happening to all parties in this.

For me, underpinning this is Islam and it's link to anti Semitism. Therefore, I am going to lean away from the proliferation of Islam, whatever that looks like.

And I will utilise an opportunity to highlight the barbarism of Islam where I won't be publicly punished for such. Highlighting this halal situation is another opportunity to do this. Another thing I don't want thankyou.

I did not mention Muslim people in this. I know we have innocent Muslims with no choice in any of this. And I also believe they can be incredibly vulnerable too. This is changing as Islam proliferates here, I'm pretty sure of that.

The ideology is the problem for most bringing it up. It's relevant.

thank you for the link

Kneecap’s event at Glastonbury was expected to be highly political.

It always astounds me when people are surprised that a band called Kneecap are highly political

...or attention seeking.

I imagine at least half joining in don't even understand what they're chanting about.

I believe a large proportion holding Free Palestine placards don't even understand what that means.

I'm glad Glastonbury did something.

I thought you meant posh people, from the thread title..

Same. Their statement was clear.

While I don’t condone hate speech I totally disagree that people shouldn’t speak out against something because of some nonsense that it won’t achieve anything.

The UK has been very pro Israel in public spaces until quite recently and I genuinely feel the indisputable mounting pressure from the public, both every average person and those with a bigger platform, is that has pushed key government figures to speak much more harshly about the actions of Israel.

I mean that literally applies to every single public figure, artist, band or politician.

Pro Israel? Are you for real? London has become a no go area at weekends. Shop windows are smashed. Children beaten up and assaulted. Cemeteries and memorials vandalised. Britain is not a good place to be as a Jewish person these days. We are all incredibly scared.

Well the tickets are quite pricey now.

..and?

There is no genocide.
If Israel really wanted genocide it would flatten Gaza from the air - it has the capabilities to do so - rather than risk it's soldiers lives.
And for all those slating the IDF - please remember Israel have a national conscription scheme. They are not some evil force but the sons and daughters of all citizens.

I believe that so many people have no clue this is happening. It's eye opening to me tbh. It is a horrible situation.

So they get the final say.
Final say in what? They've condemned it the show was yesterday not sure what else they've a say in?

Can we stop being like this?

As stated i’m discussing the UK’s public political stance on Israel.
Can we stop conflating Israel and the actions of the Israeli state with Jewish people living elsewhere?

I stand by my point that people in the UK should absolutely speak up against things they disagree with or don’t believe in, despite posters protesting that it doesn’t do anything. I stand by my point that the UK has only begun being critical of the Israeli actions due to mounting pressure and public opinion.

Absolutely none of that should be relevant to Jewish people living in the UK. I vehemently disagree that I need to back Israeli actions in Gaza in order to be see to not be condoning attacks on Jewish people in the UK.

Its awful that any person in the uk still suffers racism, antisemitism, sectarian or Islamophobia or just good old fashioned xenophobia it shouldn’t be something that makes people afraid to criticise the actions of Israel for fear of being labelled an antisemite.

They are not some evil force but the sons and daughters of all citizens.
The actions of some are being criticised which at times are pure evil. There's no sugar coating it.

This.

But this is very relevant to Jewish people living in the U.K. it’s a U.K. festival.

That’s why Jewish organisations have spoken up and Glastonbury did too.