Why do you get all the knobs at Glastonbury?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33514nryy1o

Kneecap and now this.....There are some absolute fits playing at Glastonbury and I am sure there are some virtue signalling loons cheering this.

Hope turnpike throw the book at them.

Some of the peace demonstrators in UK were shouting in support of the houthis (houthis, houthis make us proud, turn another ship around ) when they were attacking shipping so it was vaguely on their radar. 🙄

There are no Jews in Gaza - they all got moved out when it was handed over - because the Palestinians couldn’t tolerate them

Yeah, it must be my imagination. Was I don't give a shit about Irish Catholics in the UK too long for you type out?

https://x.com/UnityNewsNet/status/1939079781548437582
Imagine being managed by Jews and doing your best to piss them off?

Where on earth is this? It's so against anything I've ever seen in England or Wales (and I've lived in lots of places including London), I can only imagine it's Northern Ireland.

Could you clarify?

No I don’t think the criticism is unreasonable at all. I just think that blindly supporting one side, Palestine, is a bit blinkered and also feels like condoning (severe) terrorism.

Does that make it less outrageous or more acceptable?

The thread is getting sidetracked and drawn into wider political arguments from it's original purpose. The footage from Glastonbury has made me feel sick to my stomach.
I'm Jewish (have name changed again for obvious reasons) and can say that I don't feel safe to be visibly Jewish or even mention that I am Jewish in the UK. In fact I have a fundamental dread of what may be in store for British Jews. I am scared for the future and particularly my children's future. I am so relieved that so far none of them have wanted to go to Uni and pray that my youngest won't want to unless there is a fundamental shift in current behviours.
My daughter has been asked for her stance/views on Israel and Gov policy on a visit to a friends house by their parents, my sons have been abused for expressing support for our family in Israel.
So I question, do you judge ALL UK or British people by the decisions of the Government in power? Are the UK public as a whole accountable for politicians whose views we may disagree with?? Absolutely not yet in my experience, Jews and Israelis are expected to accept that somehow just by existing we are the route of all evil and want every Palestinian dead. If we show any support for the only Jewish country in the world then we are no better than war mongering, baby killing mass murderers. You can fundamentally disagree with many aspects of a countries ruling party yet also be pro some aspects of their decision making. The 2 are not incompatible or binary.
To hear 'popular' acts drawing in crowds and inciting the public to chant "death to the IDF" and "from the river etc" is chilling and terrifying. If the words had been changed to Death to the British Army, death to the west and such like, would people have sung along, cheering? I very much doubt it.
Whatever your views an army is there to protect their country. Literally their sworn duty.

I'm not sure the last.election of Hamas in 2006 was free and fair, given they executed all the opposition...

This story?

https://www.irishnews.com/news/ireland/sectarian-threat-calling-for-taigs-to-be-crucified-displayed-on-loyalist-bonfire-3N6JUVBUOZDD3F5S6TETUKWUYE/

Do you have hate crime legislation in Northern Ireland? The story's from a week ago. Tensions are high again in the north and south at the moment I hear. The first story was probably overshadowed by this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr7zyv8xgxeo

It’s make it have a exactly zero credibility

@Hadtodoanotherchange your post is so important. People don't realise this is happening. I've started to see things from my rural sofa yet I didn't fully appreciate what you have here explained.

I hear it and believe the risk is huge. And people are stupidly idiotic in their simplification of how this is going.

I agree wholeheartedly that it was dangerous what happened at Glasto for the reasons you illustrated.

What a flippant reply to a very serious conflict.

Its possible to be horrified and angry at Oct 7th and the subsequent destruction of Gaza at the same time, you appear to be unable to do that... and hence why the Palestinian issue will be as horrific in the next few decades as its proven to be in the last 70 plus years.

Many of the millions of Palestinians still remaining will be equally as entrenched as you are.

Agree. Good post.

That’s a very broad area which has no real meaning.
I narrow it down

@NiMaithLiomDeLuain was saying that people need to look beyond their own neighbourhoods for saying they are unaware of the Irish being oppressed in the UK.

Turns out it's a problem specific to Northern Ireland. They could have just said that rather than trying to make out the Irish experience oppression in the UK generally.

Again, Kneecap aren't victims.

This. I am very sorry you are experiencing this in Britain. Its horrific and the gaslighting and disingenousness from people who would prefer to look away and simply pretend it isnt happening is very frightening. But please be assured that there are many allies too.

Hamas, a terrorist group funded by Iran. Some of the scariest fucks in the entire world. But let’s wear the flag and chant about them like they are the good guys?

I don’t want Palestinian civilians starved or killed. But let’s not pretend that Palestine is the land of milk and honey governed by Jesus. Iran and Hamas are not our friends. Again, I want Israel to stop what they’re starving and killing. I just don’t want to get into bed with terrorists and Iran in the process.

@Hadtodoanotherchange the UK public as a whole accountable for politicians whose views we may disagree with?? Absolutely not yet in my experience, Jews and Israelis are expected to accept that somehow just by existing we are the route of all evil and want every Palestinian dead. If we show any support for the only Jewish country in the world then we are no better than war mongering, baby killing mass murderers. You can fundamentally disagree with many aspects of a countries ruling party yet also be pro some aspects of their decision making. The 2 are not incompatible or binary.

The thing is though, very few people seem to be rationally critical when it comes to what Israel is doing.
I see very few people who “support” Israel who actually say they don’t support all actions. Many people on these threads seem to suggest Israel’s actions are justified and proportional.
It’s odd, because I just cannot fathom why. It’s fine to be critical of a government, it normal in a society to not agree with every single policy but why are more people with ties to Israel not outraged?
Why is the response so often to minimise the destruction the IDF has caused and scream Hamas Hamas Hamas rather than question has this gone too far? Is this justified? Are these measures appropriate?

@Alexandra2001

Flippant? Meh. No shits given was the aim 🤷‍♀️

Yep, some of these "switched on" kids at Glastonbury would be crapping themselves if they had to live for 5 minutes under either regime. The irony.

And this is what is really the most concerning.

I now can't debate the subject with people I know because of this simplicity of fucking mind. It is prevalent.

It’s funny you keep repeating things like “kneecap aren’t victims” at the same time showing you have no clue what society has been like for catholics in NI.
Ignorance isn’t an excuse.

That's not true @Zombiefluff

I have said countless times on these threads that while I broadly support Israel, I don't support quite a few actions of Netanyahu or some of the IDF (I believe individual soldiers have committed war crimes).

I don't agree with the decision made by Netanyahu to withhold aid for as long as he did. I don't agree that the Settlers should have been allowed to stay and increase in number. I have reservations about the method now used for distributing aid, and I have seen several other people who support Israel express reservations too.