Protesters in London - stop bombing Iran?????

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Is this the same Iran was enriching uranium for the express purpose of building a nuclear bomb?

Is this the same Iran that was plotting a terrorist attack on a British base in Cyprus?

Is this the same Iran that send missiles against hospitals?

The same Iran which actually has a lot going people in Iran hoping the bombing of military facilities can somehow dethrone a hated Islamist regime?

Wtaf?

I read that and thought 19 people killed in a month is a much smaller number relating to humanitarian aid distribution than is constantly being claimed by Hamas, is it not?

No, I don’t think it’s ok for 19 civilians to be killed attempting to access aid. I expect the IDF to carry out proper investigations into any deaths like this and if found guilty, for the soldiers to be punished as committing war crimes.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some individual soldiers are acting against orders and if the war hasn’t damaged their humanity.

You misunderstood. The IDF have admitted to 19 instances of shootings which have resulted in mass casualties.

Not admitted to killing 19 civilians. That's two very different things.

That's 19 mass shootings within 25 days. Ofcourse it's going to cause many casualties when they are shooting into crowds of people.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some individual soldiers are acting against orders and if the war hasn’t damaged their humanity.

@Twiglets1 did you not see in the article. The soldiers are saying they have been ORDERED to shoot innocent Palestinians by their superiors. This isn't a few rogue soldiers like some would like to frame it as.

Sorry I was reading the article quickly on my phone so not giving it the attention it deserves. I see now it is 19 separate incidents being investigated.

I will go and read the article properly on my laptop and respond later. I will also link the actual article for people to read as I can already see that the way you are presenting it is biased. Though I do agree it sounds very worrying and like war crimes have been committed by some members of the IDF.

I thought i had linked the article?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/a-killing-field-idf-said-probing-troops-near-daily-shooting-of-gazans-near-aid-sites-as-potential-war-crimes/

It was first reported in Haaretz but its behind a pay wall

People can read the soldiers testimonies and make of it what they will.

Not that I have seen. I have only seen where you have quoted from the article.

A link to the whole article will allow people to read the whole thing so they can form their own conclusions.

Ok you’ve linked it now but hadn’t previously.

Yup I saw that the link didnt post so I have posted it above. I don't want to argue about it, people can form their own opinions but I personally think its very clear that war crimes are being carried out. I don't however, trust the IDF to 'investigate' their own war crimes in a unbiased manner.

”They” are our ‘leaders’. Sorry for the typos.
Most people in the UK don’t support this abhorrent attitude towards Palestinians (based on published polls).

Yeah, when they say one thing and do another, when applications of law depend on who committed the crime - would you respect that? I hate hypocrisy.

Another thing I learned in the past couple of years - autocracies oppress THEIR own citizens.
Democracies oppress citizens of OTHER, less fortunate countries.

I can appreciate why you don't trust the IDF to investigate their own war crime accusations in an unbiased manner. It mirrors how I don't trust a word that comes out of any organisation affiliated with Hamas.

However, the mechanism by which the alleged crimes are being investigated is an independent military body responsible for investigating unusual incidents amid the war.

The testimonies of the anonymous IDF soldiers makes very grim reading and I note that the IDF does not deny any of the contents of the report.

I'm shocked that any IDF soldiers would act like this and they deserve to be punished. However, I think it's important to acknowledge that the individual soldiers should be held accountable for their actions, not the whole IDF.

In most of these cases, the IDF has admitted to opening fire and striking Palestinians, but characterized it as “warning shots” at those who got too close to soldiers or used site access routes when distribution sites were closed.

It doesn't say anywhere in the article that The soldiers are saying they have been ORDERED to shoot innocent Palestinians by their superiors.

I pity the communities these soldiers are coming back to. It is well known that cases of DV and child abuse are higher amongst the armed forces.

There are so many doctors who came back from Gaza and said they have seen too many children shot in the head and chest to make it accidental. No, not by hamas, by IDF’s weapons.

@Twiglets1 strange, it was there in the article when they first published it. It's also mentioned in the Haaretz article where they interviewed soldiers and other articles on other sites too. Maybe they took it out after katz threatened to take action against Haaretz for writing that in their report.

This was from another report.
Soldiers who recently returned from Gaza have told Haaretz that officers are regularly ordering them to fire live ammunition at crowds of people as a means of telling them not to approach the aid sites until they are open.

Israeli soldiers have been deliberately firing at unarmed Palestinians near aid distribution sites in Gaza, army whistleblowers have said.
First-hand accounts reported in Haaretz, the Israeli newspaper, allege that commanders had in recent weeks ordered troops to shoot at crowds “to drive them away or disperse them, even though it was clear they posed no threat”.

This from the telegraph also behind a paywall but there's many such articles.

I think it's been known for a while that the IDF near aid sites shoot warning shots at crowds. They admitted to it a long time ago but they say the intention is not to kill anyone that does not seem a threat.

I find the testimony from the anonymous soldiers more concerning and I'm glad it is being investigated.

Katz could only take action against Haaretz for writing in their report that the * soldiers are saying they have been ordered to shoot innocent Palestinians by their superiors *if there is no evidence it is true.

Yes, using live fire to shoot at large crowds is inevitably going to cause many deaths and injuries. That's what the soldiers have been saying that they have been ordered to fire at the crowds even when they don't pose a threat. They also say there has never been an instance where they have been shot back at and clearly the crowd of civilians are unarmed.

Zionists for creating the state of Israel in the first place, in a land that was already populated by people who had done nothing to deserve being driven off their land.

And Israel now, and since 1967, for perpetuating its illegal occupation of those parts of Palestine that it wasn't given international approval to colonise in the first place.

Well I for one feel so much better knowing that the IDF are going to investigate this.

In other news, Ian Brady and Myra Hindley have agreed to lead an investigation into whether the Moors murders actually happened.