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Conflict in the Middle East

Why is Israel attacking Iran and vice versa?

176 replies

Clocking · 13/06/2025 22:50

Can anyone explain, simply and objectively, what is happening between Israel and Iran? It seems mad to me that Israel would take on another war right now!

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SharonEllis · 14/06/2025 17:17

Arafina · 14/06/2025 16:59

They've been saying that since the early 1990's, doesn't seem very fast to me

Does nobody do any research at all? Irans niclear programme has been monitored for years, thats why its taking them so long. They just breached their oblogations, suggesting they are escalating the development.

Arafina · 14/06/2025 17:27

SharonEllis · 14/06/2025 17:17

Does nobody do any research at all? Irans niclear programme has been monitored for years, thats why its taking them so long. They just breached their oblogations, suggesting they are escalating the development.

Well my research states that they have been saying it will be developed within 3 to 5 years since 1992, that's a bloody long 5 years, in my opinion it's Iraq all over again and look how well that went

SharonEllis · 14/06/2025 17:42

Arafina · 14/06/2025 17:27

Well my research states that they have been saying it will be developed within 3 to 5 years since 1992, that's a bloody long 5 years, in my opinion it's Iraq all over again and look how well that went

Yes, its a process by which Iran's progress has been contained. Are you really willing to sit back and let Iran build a bomb?

Arafina · 14/06/2025 17:52

SharonEllis · 14/06/2025 17:42

Yes, its a process by which Iran's progress has been contained. Are you really willing to sit back and let Iran build a bomb?

I personally believe in unilateral disarmament for all, so no I wouldn't like to see them build one but I can understand why they might be a bit pissed off if countries that have them are saying do as I say and not as I do, it's a tad hypocritical isn't it?

SharonEllis · 14/06/2025 17:54

Arafina · 14/06/2025 17:52

I personally believe in unilateral disarmament for all, so no I wouldn't like to see them build one but I can understand why they might be a bit pissed off if countries that have them are saying do as I say and not as I do, it's a tad hypocritical isn't it?

I have absolutely no problem with being 'hypocritical' to one of the most grotesque regimes on the planet. You cant just let every nation on earth get nukes in the interests of being 'fair'. Its insane.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 14/06/2025 18:15

SharonEllis · 14/06/2025 17:54

I have absolutely no problem with being 'hypocritical' to one of the most grotesque regimes on the planet. You cant just let every nation on earth get nukes in the interests of being 'fair'. Its insane.

You cant just let every nation on earth get nukes in the interests of being 'fair'. Its insane.

No you definitely can't but likewise those that have need to be signing up to the nuclear prohibition treaty and show a realistic commitment to disarmament. That to me would be the most effective way of preventing any future nuclear programmes do as I say and as I do

Arafina · 14/06/2025 18:15

SharonEllis · 14/06/2025 17:54

I have absolutely no problem with being 'hypocritical' to one of the most grotesque regimes on the planet. You cant just let every nation on earth get nukes in the interests of being 'fair'. Its insane.

It's got a fair bit of competition at the moment as far as being grotesque goes

Fastertimer · 14/06/2025 18:22

BigWholeBean · 13/06/2025 23:17

They hate Jews. They’ve vowed to destroy Israel. They’ve been attacking Israel for years via their proxy’s. They sponsor terrorism all around the world

Utter rubbish

EasternStandard · 14/06/2025 18:28

Arafina · 14/06/2025 17:52

I personally believe in unilateral disarmament for all, so no I wouldn't like to see them build one but I can understand why they might be a bit pissed off if countries that have them are saying do as I say and not as I do, it's a tad hypocritical isn't it?

Is it important to you Iran have nuclear weapons in the name of fairness?

EasternStandard · 14/06/2025 18:30

Fastertimer · 14/06/2025 18:22

Utter rubbish

What do you rely on to counter with this reply?

SharonEllis · 14/06/2025 18:34

Fastertimer · 14/06/2025 18:22

Utter rubbish

How on earth can you say this is rubbish? Its a fact.

WelshMoth · 14/06/2025 18:40

Marking place.

Arafina · 14/06/2025 18:47

EasternStandard · 14/06/2025 18:28

Is it important to you Iran have nuclear weapons in the name of fairness?

Did I say that or have you just made that up? I said it's hypocritical of a country that has nuclear weapons to tell another country that they are not allowed them, Just to clarify my own position, I don't think any country should have them

Vivi0 · 14/06/2025 18:51

Arafina · 14/06/2025 18:47

Did I say that or have you just made that up? I said it's hypocritical of a country that has nuclear weapons to tell another country that they are not allowed them, Just to clarify my own position, I don't think any country should have them

Well, no, it’s not hypocritical.

The current nuclear powers obtained nuclear capabilities a long time ago.

Nothing can be done to change that.

It is responsible to limit access to nuclear weapons.

The world should and needs to be working towards a process of denuclearisation. But that isn’t going to happen whilst countries like Iran are pursuing nuclear capabilities.

SharonEllis · 14/06/2025 19:03

Arafina · 14/06/2025 18:15

It's got a fair bit of competition at the moment as far as being grotesque goes

Yes you're right. It is in competition with places like North Korea, Yemen, South Sudan, Afghanistan, CAR, DRC for the most monstrous human rights abuses. Only 13 countries in the world rank lower on the Economist Democracy Index, its routinely in the worst 10 countries regarding women's rights in particular. Its a terrible place to be gay, or poor, or in a minority. There are others too, yes It is a bit of a club fighting it out to be the worst. But why are so many peoole rushing to Iran's defence, and not any of them? Its a mystery, thats for sure.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 14/06/2025 19:06

Vivi0 · 14/06/2025 18:51

Well, no, it’s not hypocritical.

The current nuclear powers obtained nuclear capabilities a long time ago.

Nothing can be done to change that.

It is responsible to limit access to nuclear weapons.

The world should and needs to be working towards a process of denuclearisation. But that isn’t going to happen whilst countries like Iran are pursuing nuclear capabilities.

The world should and needs to be working towards a process of denuclearisation. But that isn’t going to happen whilst countries like Iran are pursuing nuclear capabilities.

I think if those countries that are actively working to stop countries like Iran developing nuclear capabilities were also demonstrating their own commitment to nuclear disarmament it would be more effective and less hypocritical

Twiglets1 · 14/06/2025 19:08

SharonEllis · 14/06/2025 19:03

Yes you're right. It is in competition with places like North Korea, Yemen, South Sudan, Afghanistan, CAR, DRC for the most monstrous human rights abuses. Only 13 countries in the world rank lower on the Economist Democracy Index, its routinely in the worst 10 countries regarding women's rights in particular. Its a terrible place to be gay, or poor, or in a minority. There are others too, yes It is a bit of a club fighting it out to be the worst. But why are so many peoole rushing to Iran's defence, and not any of them? Its a mystery, thats for sure.

My enemy's enemy is my friend - so any enemy of Israel is a friend to them it seems. Even Iran.

Yassnass134 · 14/06/2025 19:09

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 14/06/2025 19:06

The world should and needs to be working towards a process of denuclearisation. But that isn’t going to happen whilst countries like Iran are pursuing nuclear capabilities.

I think if those countries that are actively working to stop countries like Iran developing nuclear capabilities were also demonstrating their own commitment to nuclear disarmament it would be more effective and less hypocritical

Exactly. "Let's push for denuclearisation whilst also threatening other countries with our nuclear power." ... Sounds ridiculous yet that is what is happening.

GabGab123 · 14/06/2025 19:11

OK. This is a bit mad.
Regardless of all the (true) stuff on here about Netanyahu being power hungry / in a fix we still also need to remember a few things can be true at once.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/irans-doomsday-clock-for-israels-end-halts-amid-power-cuts/ You may be interested to learn that in tehran there is a countdown clock to when the 'supreme leader' predicts that the state of israel will be wiped off the face of the earth.
https://apnews.com/article/a033042303545d9ef783a95222d51b83 there are too many articles to link to show how much the regime hates jews - but a good one would be this one where the ayatollah describes israel as a 'cancerous tumour' that needs removing from the world. He also has stated on several occasions that he would find it easier for all jews from across the globe to gather together israel so he could kill them all in one go.
So.. in short. Yeah Netanyahu is an extreme narcissist and running out of time with his own political career. But to say it's rubbish that the Iranian regime has a problem with Jews/Israel is pretty ridiculous tbh.
Why are we westerners so bad at listening to people when they say who they want to kill? The leader of Hamas said that after they took over Israel they would like to take over Europe all the way to Rome and I literally heard news reporters on the BBC saying we shouldn't take them at their word.
It's time we listened to what they want to do and believe them. And that, coupled with even potential nukes is enough to take lots of airbases and missiles out, IMO.

EasternStandard · 14/06/2025 19:11

Arafina · 14/06/2025 18:47

Did I say that or have you just made that up? I said it's hypocritical of a country that has nuclear weapons to tell another country that they are not allowed them, Just to clarify my own position, I don't think any country should have them

It’s easy to conclude no one should have them but the reality is countries do and that’s the situation we have. So should Iran get them or not, even if others do.

Arafina · 14/06/2025 19:12

Vivi0 · 14/06/2025 18:51

Well, no, it’s not hypocritical.

The current nuclear powers obtained nuclear capabilities a long time ago.

Nothing can be done to change that.

It is responsible to limit access to nuclear weapons.

The world should and needs to be working towards a process of denuclearisation. But that isn’t going to happen whilst countries like Iran are pursuing nuclear capabilities.

As if the countries that have nuclear weapons have any intention of giving them up, don't make me laugh, they are far too useful as a bullying tactic

Birdsinginginthetrees · 14/06/2025 19:13

Isn’t it because they want to take out Iran’s nuclear capability so that they can’t use it against Israel? That’s what I thought it was anyway.

roses2 · 14/06/2025 19:27

I don't get why there are news reports of Iran threatening UK and US if they help Israel. The bit I don't get is why would UK and US to help Israel when they didn't step in to help Gaza!

1dayatatime · 14/06/2025 19:34

@BelleHathor

"Except for Israel did provide aid to "Syrian Rebels" many groups of which were associated with ISIS. It was confirmed on the record in 2015:"

Absolutely whilst it is true Israel provided cash, food, fuel, medical supplies to Syrian rebels (excluding ISIS) it absolutely did not provide military support and the aid it did provide was minuscule in comparison to the military aid provided by Turkey, Qatar, and the US to the Syrian rebels and the military aid provided to the Syrian Government by Russia.

Moreover it is factually incorrect to state that Israel patched up injured ISIS rebels to send them back into Syria. Israel may have inadvertently provided medical aid to ISIS rebels posing as civilians but it absolutely did not knowingly "patch up injured ISIS rebels to send them back into the fight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IsraelihumanitariannoperationsduringgtheSyriannCivilWar