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Conflict in the Middle East

Why is Israel attacking Iran and vice versa?

176 replies

Clocking · 13/06/2025 22:50

Can anyone explain, simply and objectively, what is happening between Israel and Iran? It seems mad to me that Israel would take on another war right now!

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sualipa · 14/06/2025 09:11

BreakingBroken · 14/06/2025 00:34

Iran funds Hamas and the Houthi’s.
Both very destabilizing chaotic groups.
BTW, the attacks were extremely precise with very few non military casualties.

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See it can be done Israel.

Abhannmor · 14/06/2025 09:19

When the war ends the governing coalition breaks up and Bibi faces ruin on corruption charges , possibly jail. So , endless war it is. And he has nothing left to destroy in Gaza.

Clocking · 14/06/2025 10:22

Thank you to all the clever and knowledgeable people who have taken the time to respond.

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PITCHpink · 14/06/2025 10:30

Swirlythingy2025 · 14/06/2025 01:29

the joy of democracy

The joy of religion….

Twiglets1 · 14/06/2025 10:35

sualipa · 14/06/2025 09:11

See it can be done Israel.

Of course it helps when the targets aren't hiding underneath civilian buildings.

Yassnass134 · 14/06/2025 12:19

MeganM3 · 13/06/2025 23:30

Because the nuclear bomb Iran are building is a massive threat to Israel (not only Israel).
They were at war for many years.
Iran would be likely to attack Israel when strong enough, they want all nations in the Middle East to be Islamic, so Isreal are fighting Iran through fear of future attacks from Iran. Targeting their weapons and the people in charge of the weapons.
Nuclear was is bad news for everyone on earth.

I think Israel with it's nuclear power house is a far bigger threat.

1dayatatime · 14/06/2025 12:51

@mouthpipette

"Iran has no desire to go to war with Israel. "

Sorry this is simply not true and yet another statement that you just made up (along with the false claim that Israel provided medical aid to ISIS during the Syrian civil war).

Iran has publicly called for the destruction of the state of Israel. Iran through its proxies of Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis have and still do wage war

1dayatatime · 14/06/2025 12:56

@Yassnass134

"I think Israel with its nuclear power house is a far bigger threat."

So you think that Iran which through its proxies (Houthis) attacked British ships, that Iran which kidnapped Royal Navy sailors on several occasions and the recent planned Iranian terrorist attack in London is less of a threat having nuclear weapons than Israel having nuclear weapons.

Your statement is either based on clear anti semitism or is incredibly naive / ill informed or you support such attacks on the UK.

mouthpipette · 14/06/2025 13:10

"Iran has no desire to go to war with Israel. "
Sorry this is simply not true @1dayatatime

Iran, at present, does not want to get embroiled in a war with Israel as shown by it refusing to aid Hamas after 7/10. Iran to Hamas "You didn't tell us, don't expect us to support you" and almost certainly after 7/10 it told Hezbollah, don't do the doomsday scenario because they knew it would drastically escalate the conflict. The doomsday option was to launch thousands of missiles and rockets simultaneously at Israel. That onslaught would have overcome their defences and caused extensive damage. Hezbollah were always beholden to Iran and it must have been the latter that told them instead to do the controlled, "tit for tat" over the border option, which is what happened.

and yet another statement that you just made up (along with the false claim that Israel provided medical aid to ISIS during the Syrian civil war).

You're obviously in denial. I provided a number of links that verified that Israel had helped patch up IS fighters. In future, if you're not going to bother reading the links I send, I'll probably not bother responding to you. Shabbat Shalom.

1dayatatime · 14/06/2025 13:26

@mouthpipette

"Iran, at present, does not want to get embroiled in a war with Israel"

Well firstly well done for getting at least this part correct, that is that Iran would prefer to avoid conflict with Israel until it has developed nuclear weapons.

However it is true that Iran has called for the destruction of the State of Israel as confirmed by the Iranian President:

"I hope that God will liberate Palestine as soon as possible, and we witness the final moments of Israel's existence and celebrate its end." Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi November 2023

www.iranintl.com/en/202311194318

If you want to disprove your track record of posting false statements then I would need something a bit more substantial ( eg Wiki or Reuters) than some random Danish website alleging that some of the injured Syrian civilians treated by Israel were actually members of ISIS, which may of course been true of the very many Syrian civilians treated by Israel but doesn't constitute active or knowingly medical support for ISIS.

TinklySnail · 14/06/2025 13:31

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Indeed. Well said.

dogcatkitten · 14/06/2025 13:43

Clocking · 13/06/2025 23:16

Thanks @HellsBalls

But why might Iran want to destroy Israel? What’s in it for them?

Israel was a created country for jews after WW2, other countries in the region don't think Israel should have been created and that the land belongs to the arab people of the region. This has led to many conflicts in the area and Iran is particularly hard line on this. It's more complicated than this, but it's a start. And Iran is developing nuclear weapons under the guise of nuclear power, Israel already has them (almost certainly). Also Iran is comparatively weak at the minute it's main military supporter is Russia and they are a bit busy in Ukraine.

1dayatatime · 14/06/2025 13:48

@mouthpipette

Also I'm not quite sure about the "Shabbat Shalom" comment unless you are implying you are Jewish which may or may not be correct (as I have no means of proving it one way or the other) or that you are implying that I am Jewish which would be yet another false statement (sorry
to disappoint but C of E Christian).

HerNeighbourTotoro · 14/06/2025 14:06

Israel needs some distractions from the genocide they are committting, so attacked Iran knowing Iran will retaliate and will try to portray themselves as victims of an aggression, justifying further genocide.

Whatsinanamehey · 14/06/2025 14:13

HerNeighbourTotoro · 14/06/2025 14:06

Israel needs some distractions from the genocide they are committting, so attacked Iran knowing Iran will retaliate and will try to portray themselves as victims of an aggression, justifying further genocide.

Netanyahu sure knows how to pick his moments. Israel were getting increasingly ostracised, two of their ministers were just sanctioned by our government. There was going to be a conference taking place in taking steps to recognise a Palestinian state (which had to be postponed) due to the strikes.

I think there was a good chance the Israeli knesset was on it's way to being dissolved which would have been a huge headache for Netanyahu.

All of that is on the back foot now. Netanyahu sure does know how to time these escalations.

BelleHathor · 14/06/2025 15:51

1dayatatime · 14/06/2025 12:51

@mouthpipette

"Iran has no desire to go to war with Israel. "

Sorry this is simply not true and yet another statement that you just made up (along with the false claim that Israel provided medical aid to ISIS during the Syrian civil war).

Iran has publicly called for the destruction of the state of Israel. Iran through its proxies of Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis have and still do wage war

Except for Israel did provide aid to "Syrian Rebels" many groups of which were associated with ISIS. It was confirmed on the record in 2015:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-syrian-rebels-keeping-druze-safe-in-exchange-for-israeli-aid/

And also in 2016 :
https://network.aljazeera.net/en/pressroom/former-mossad-director-efraim-halevy-defends-israeli-medical-assistance-al-nusra-front

Former Mossad director, Efraim Halevy, defends Israeli medical assistance to Al Nusra Front fighters | Al Jazeera Media Network

Efraim Halevy, former director of Israel’s national intelligence agency, Mossad, speaks with UpFront:

https://network.aljazeera.net/en/pressroom/former-mossad-director-efraim-halevy-defends-israeli-medical-assistance-al-nusra-front

JaneEyre40 · 14/06/2025 16:15

SharonEllis · 14/06/2025 07:06

How many times do we have to over this? Iran has consistently vowed to obliterate Israe and supported or been part of regular attacks on Israel. Iran is an unstable, theocratic dictatorship that oppresses its people and foments unrest around the world. Having nuclear weapons gives it power regardless of whether it actually launches a nuclear attack on Israel. People with a lot more knowledge than you have consistently worked to prevent iran getting nukes for decades.

The real question is, why are you so keen to downplay the threat of Iran and delegitimise Israel's legitimate concerns about Iran?

😂😂😂 she's in cahoots with the Ayatollah, he thought Mumsnet was the best port of call for this kind of propaganda. Looooolllll

MushMonster · 14/06/2025 16:41

OP, the why is very very complex.
Logical reasons like Iran supporting Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis will be given. Plus the possibility of a nuclear weapon being built.
But, to add to the mixture, Netanyahu is having problems in Court and Parliament, which could mean he will lose power. And that, to me, is too much of a coincidence.
Like the reasons above have been there for a while, you know.
But there seems to be a coincidental timing between Netanyahu's personal boos and new countries to bomb, of lately.
Plus the theme of his actions portraing the US President as a mere puppet of Netanyahu's. As US President say no to something, multiple times, in the press and international arena. But Netanyahu follows it with a yes, we did it, next day.

MushMonster · 14/06/2025 16:48

Whatsinanamehey · 14/06/2025 14:13

Netanyahu sure knows how to pick his moments. Israel were getting increasingly ostracised, two of their ministers were just sanctioned by our government. There was going to be a conference taking place in taking steps to recognise a Palestinian state (which had to be postponed) due to the strikes.

I think there was a good chance the Israeli knesset was on it's way to being dissolved which would have been a huge headache for Netanyahu.

All of that is on the back foot now. Netanyahu sure does know how to time these escalations.

He does, indeed. It is all very convenient for him, but old. It is far too crystal clear. And I think more people that he bargains for can see it.
Also, I do not think Trump is a man to be messed up in the same way as Biden was and Netanyahu has just played it up in the very same fashion he did with Biden. This could end like Trump- Musk.

Ambaallen4 · 14/06/2025 16:55

This is a very simplified statement for a very long conflict i know, but none of us have the time to write out every single thing that has happened.

Iran were attacking israel a bit, as i think thst they dont like what israel are doing to palestine. They also have other reasons.

Israel repsonded by attacking Iran.

Iran responded by attacking Israel in a bigger way.

TwilightSkies · 14/06/2025 16:57

Israel just loves attacking other countries then playing the victim card when the countries retaliate. But yeah ‘antisemitism’ ad infinitum.

Arafina · 14/06/2025 16:59

TokyoSushi · 13/06/2025 23:01

The theory is that Iran is developing nuclear weapons at a very fast rate, so Israel are attacking them to stop that before they use the weapons against Israel.

We could write for weeks about ‘everything else’ that goes with that.

They've been saying that since the early 1990's, doesn't seem very fast to me

beetr00 · 14/06/2025 17:07

EdisinBurgh · 13/06/2025 23:00

Agree credible media sources are best but I have not seen any simple, accessible, short (not a book or a 10,000 word article) explainers on why Israel has gone to war with Iran now, and the history behind the action. Do share if you know of any!

this is useful @EdisinBurgh

Zuve · 14/06/2025 17:16

War never solved anything. As Churchill said, jaw jaw don't war war