New ceasefire agreement

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BBC report a new ceasefire agreement mediated by the US. Israel has agreed to it. Waiting for Hamas to decide if they also want a ceasefire.

That's what I think too. So many people I know have quiet sympathy for Israel but they don't say so on SM, they don't even get involved in these sort of debates on Mumsnet. They don't want the aggro.

I did use the word "most" in regard to the Israel government not "all". There are some in the government with extreme views, unfortunately.

What I meant by inevitable is that I do believe Hamas will eventually be forced to relinquish all power and disband/disarm as you suggest.

I don't think it looks very good for Palestinian civilians under the terms of the ceasefire. It's not their fault (apart from the Hamas supporters) but they have been dragged into something very inadvisable by their government. I definitely think they will be a worse position after the war than they were before it. I don't know if Israel will ever be prepared to allow a Palestinian state but I hope they do if a more moderate government is appointed to replace Hamas.

I'm not saying I hope Palestinian civilians will be worse off after the war, I just think it likely.

I do agree with most of that.

Ultimately though if Israel don't allow the Palestinian statehood this whole sorry situation will be repeated with the next generation who are the traumatized children of the current conflict. Neither country will know peace.

I fear though the Israeli government have learnt nothing with the announcement of the expanding settlements in the West Bank leading to more unrest which ultimately makes life less safe for Israeli citizens also.

@ArtTheClown
I really wasn’t thinking of social media. People on both sides will be silent to avoid the agro.
It’s very clear across the world support for the Palestinian people and awareness of what they have been going through for many many years has been heightened.

I think the silent majority view on this is maybe some apathy given that Gaza stories aren't really the top 10 of the most read on the BBC website. It is only places like this corner of mn where open discussion takes place.

There is a lot of disgruntled mutterings of the Palestinians bringing it on themselves and shouldn't we concentrating on the UK instead. I put a post on an alternative thread saying there was a bit of a political trap here if Keir Starmer puts too much political capital into this and he needs to read the room of the whole of the UK as a polotician. There is a vocal minority who are impassioned by this but a silent majority who really have a lot of other things on their mind (e.g. public sector funding cuts).

. this was written just 6 months into the current conflict

I do agree
but does apathy for the suffering of others just because it is not our own country make that right.
What would have happened historically if we all sat back and let such atrocities continue.

I suppose there is an apathy towards foreign states now as we accept that international aid is much reduced because we need to divert money to defence (we need new arsenals in case of future wars).

I notice Reform do not comment on Gaza often and the conservatives don't want us to play into the hands of terrorists. Labour did not get huge Ulrich in the polls after their comments Israel in parliament...people want to know what they are doing about immigration.

I noted that no Israeli diplomats have been dispelled from the UK which is a natural action if there is serious concern about the conduct of another country. I think the government has said what it needed to say and will now concentrate on the myriad of other things on its agenda.

I do think there is sympathy generally with Ukraine at the moment but again a bit of apathy is settling in but concerns of Russian aggression do concern the MoD.

I agree
I find it a very concerning trend.
We and many countries are becoming more focused on the ‘me’ and less on the ‘us’.

Quite Trump like

Yes I don't agree with the settlements or with the expanding settlements just announced.

What would have happened historically if we all sat back and let such atrocities continue.

But that's exactly what happened, historically, and continues to happen now. However most don't seem to attract the attention in quite the same way.

I agree and I thought that thread was interesting.

I haven't posted on there yet but I definitely agree that UK politicians like Keir Starmer shouldn't get too dragged into this issue and yes, most people in the UK are more worried about things that affect them directly like cost of living, etc plus concerned what he is going to do about illegal immigration.

Just because some don’t get much publicity doesn’t mean they shouldn’t
Atrocities should always be called out

Opinion piece on why Hamas won't agree to the ceasefire and why it doesn't care about Palestinian people.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-hamas-wont-accept-witkoffs-gaza-ceasefire-offer/

Interesting piece @Namechangedformyanswer

although I disagree Hamas don’t care about their own people. They are trying to create a Gaza without Israeli influence. Something they haven’t experienced since the end of WW2. ( Hamas, have said they will step down in terms of control of the country if the war ends ).

This piece from the article is perhaps the most interesting in terms of why the ceasefire wasn’t agreed upon.
ie Hamas do not trust Netanyahu to ever agree to a permanent ceasefire and withdrawal as ‘both’ parties would have to agree to it.
I would say I think this is true given Netanyahus main plan for Gaza even before the war started.

Hamas says ready to enter into new talks for 'permanent ceasefire' with Israel in Gaza

Hamas's lead negotiator Khalil al-Hayya said the group was ready to enter a new round of talks aimed at sealing a permanent ceasefire in Gaza, where rescuers said Israeli strikes killed at least 37 people on Thursday, June 5.

"We reaffirm that we are ready for a new, serious round of negotiations aimed at reaching a permanent ceasefire agreement," Hayya said, adding the group was in contact with mediators.

As reported in Le Monde, Israel and Hamas appeared close to an agreement late last month, following discussions mediated by Qatar, Egypt and the United States. US President Donald Trump said on May 30 that he believed an agreement for a truce in exchange for the release of hostages held by Hamas was "very close."
Israel and Hamas then accused each other of scuppering a proposal submitted by US special envoy Steve Witkoff, with the envoy himself describing the Palestinian militants' response as "totally unacceptable."

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/06/05/hamas-says-ready-to-enter-into-new-talks-for-permanent-ceasefire-with-israel-in-gaza_6742058_4.html

although I disagree Hamas don’t care about their own people. They are trying to create a Gaza without Israeli influence. Something they haven’t experienced since the end of WW2. ( Hamas, have said they will step down in terms of control of the country if the war ends ).

They deliberately get as many Gazan civilians as possible killed for propaganda purposes. The committed the worst terrorist atrocity against Jewish people since the Holocaust, knowing what the outcome would be for Gaza as a whole, particularly as they embed themselves beneath crucial civil infrastructure like hospitals.

They don't give a single shit about the life of the people unfortunate enough to live under their rule.
And I don't believe they have any intention of giving up power. They could already have ended the war by doing so.

They only want a ceasefire because their annihilation is otherwise assured. The US backs Israel, as do the rest of the Western world.
The social media support is not changing government’s stances on Israel.
It’s game over and they are trying to save their skins and stay in power.

This is blatantly untrue

The rest of the world voted for a ceasefire with the US standing alone in the last UN security councils last ceasefire resolution

Hamas could have had a ceasefire only a few days ago, but they rejected it.
They are the masters of their own (and the Gazans) destruction.

and Israel could have stuck to the previous one that they both agreed to months ago.

They'd rather boom and kill instead. They got what they wanted after stage 1 then carried out some of the heaviest bombing in the whole war.

You know this.

I assume You haven’t read the terms of that recent ceasefire agreement.
I only say so as it’s very clear to all who appreciate its contents that it was entirely one sided.

The previous one agreed to buy both sides was far more balanced.

Netanyahu would have to be either stupid or a complete narcissist to not see the reality of the recent one. The later I think. A ceasefire won’t complete his grand plan, an Israeli flag flying over Gaza and all Palestinians dead or excommunicated.

It’s really very simple and clear every country has realised this. Hence their voting.

Hamas have lost. They have ‘no cards’.
They should have come to the table a lot sooner. It would have saved the destruction of Gaza.

Absolutely.

Hamas aren't going to get better terms the longer this drags on

So at this stage it's pointless them not agreeing to the best deal they can get (which is already a worse deal than they could have got a few months ago).