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Conflict in the Middle East

New ceasefire agreement

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Namechangedformyanswer · 30/05/2025 07:13

BBC report a new ceasefire agreement mediated by the US. Israel has agreed to it. Waiting for Hamas to decide if they also want a ceasefire.

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Namechangedformyanswer · 08/06/2025 09:03

HellsBalls · 08/06/2025 08:56

Hamas have lost. They have ‘no cards’.
They should have come to the table a lot sooner. It would have saved the destruction of Gaza.

That's assuming they actually care about the citizens of Gaza. They don't care much for them, they are merely pieces to be used in their hatred of Israel. Millions has been taken by the top Hamas and is held in other countries. In my opinion it should be seized and used for the people of Gaza.

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quantumbutterfly · 08/06/2025 12:43

Namechangedformyanswer · 08/06/2025 09:03

That's assuming they actually care about the citizens of Gaza. They don't care much for them, they are merely pieces to be used in their hatred of Israel. Millions has been taken by the top Hamas and is held in other countries. In my opinion it should be seized and used for the people of Gaza.

Now that would be a good idea, it was originally intended for them.

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 14:21

Jerusalem Post: Hamas’s talk of leaving Gaza: Real change or just buying time? - opinion

Do Hamas’s recent statements about potentially giving up control of Gaza signal a real change of heart, or are they just another calculated move to buy time and polish their image on the world stage? And what should we make of their carefully crafted political language that oscillates between “proposals” and “possibilities” while avoiding any firm commitments?

Hamas’s latest pronouncements expose deep-seated contradictions that display just how strategically confused and politically rattled the movement has become after enduring more than 19 months of relentless Israeli military operations following the terrorist group’s terror attacks on October 7, 2023.

Here is a terror organization that dragged Gaza into an unparalleled humanitarian disaster, now desperately trying to rebrand itself as some kind of responsible political actor looking for solutions while conveniently forgetting they are the ones who caused this tragedy in the first place.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-856868

Hamas’s talk of leaving Gaza: Real change or just buying time? | The Jerusalem Post

Hamas’s latest pronouncements expose deep-seated contradictions that display just how strategically confused and politically rattled the movement has become.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-856868

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 14:25

From the same article: Empty promises or real change?

Hamas has finally woken up to the fact that they are staring down the barrel of complete annihilation, especially after Israel’s recent precision strikes took out key leaders, including Mohammed Sinwar, brother of Yahya Sinwar, who Israel had killed previously. Jerusalem has made it crystal clear it is not stopping until every last Hamas leader is eliminated and the entire military and organizational apparatus is dismantled.

FACED WITH this grim reality, Hamas is desperately trying to spin negotiations and political grandstanding into a lifeline, hoping against hope that something, anything, might shift on the regional or international stage to pull them back from the brink.

Evidently, the terror group knows perfectly well that their October 7 rampage was essentially organizational suicide, not just for themselves, but for all of Gaza. This is the same movement that spent years claiming to be the great defenders of Palestinian interests, only to lead their own people straight into the worst humanitarian catastrophe they have ever seen.

They destroyed Gaza’s infrastructure, and got tens of thousands of civilians killed or displaced. And now, instead of owning up to what they have done, they are cynically using the suffering of ordinary Gazans as bargaining chips in their negotiations with Israel.

Looking at the bigger picture, it is obvious that Hamas’s recent talk about possibly stepping down from leadership of Gaza is really about achieving four main goals: First, they want to win over international opinion by playing the part of the reasonable, compromise-ready political player. Second, they are trying to drag out negotiations for as long as possible to buy time and figure out their next move.

Third, they are scrambling to find some kind of safe haven for their leaders, who are now living with targets on their backs. And fourth, they want to dump the massive responsibility of rebuilding Gaza on someone else’s shoulders while somehow keeping their own political and military power intact.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-856868

Stirabout · 08/06/2025 14:53

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 14:21

Jerusalem Post: Hamas’s talk of leaving Gaza: Real change or just buying time? - opinion

Do Hamas’s recent statements about potentially giving up control of Gaza signal a real change of heart, or are they just another calculated move to buy time and polish their image on the world stage? And what should we make of their carefully crafted political language that oscillates between “proposals” and “possibilities” while avoiding any firm commitments?

Hamas’s latest pronouncements expose deep-seated contradictions that display just how strategically confused and politically rattled the movement has become after enduring more than 19 months of relentless Israeli military operations following the terrorist group’s terror attacks on October 7, 2023.

Here is a terror organization that dragged Gaza into an unparalleled humanitarian disaster, now desperately trying to rebrand itself as some kind of responsible political actor looking for solutions while conveniently forgetting they are the ones who caused this tragedy in the first place.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-856868

This isn’t the first time Hamas have said they’d leave the control of Gaza to others.

It was mentioned a long time ago.

NotABottie · 08/06/2025 15:02

Stirabout · 08/06/2025 14:53

This isn’t the first time Hamas have said they’d leave the control of Gaza to others.

It was mentioned a long time ago.

Like tfey’ve been leaving control of Aid to others?

Can we assume you believe them as you’re parroting them?

Stirabout · 08/06/2025 15:14

NotABottie · 08/06/2025 15:02

Like tfey’ve been leaving control of Aid to others?

Can we assume you believe them as you’re parroting them?

Israel has taken control of aid distribution and before that the UN.

Regarding the Control of Gaza.
Im pointing out Hamas discussion re control of Gaza is not a new thing.
They've been saying this for over a year. If there’s peace that can be part of the peace negotiations.

Stirabout · 08/06/2025 15:15

NotABottie · 08/06/2025 15:02

Like tfey’ve been leaving control of Aid to others?

Can we assume you believe them as you’re parroting them?

Your use of the term ‘parroting’ is offensive and suggestive.
Theres no call for that irrespective of how passionate you may be about this subject.

I won’t be engaging with the likes of this language again.

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 15:33

Stirabout · 08/06/2025 14:53

This isn’t the first time Hamas have said they’d leave the control of Gaza to others.

It was mentioned a long time ago.

Maybe Hamas aren’t actually offering anything new then despite their rhetoric of entering a “new serious round of negotiations”?

Stirabout · 08/06/2025 16:30

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 15:33

Maybe Hamas aren’t actually offering anything new then despite their rhetoric of entering a “new serious round of negotiations”?

Possibly.
I don’t know.
Im just commenting that they are re iterating previous offers.

Martymcfly24 · 08/06/2025 16:42

If Hamas leave which we all hope will happen who do posters see in charge of Gaza?

Namechangedformyanswer · 09/06/2025 07:15

Twiglets1 · 08/06/2025 14:25

From the same article: Empty promises or real change?

Hamas has finally woken up to the fact that they are staring down the barrel of complete annihilation, especially after Israel’s recent precision strikes took out key leaders, including Mohammed Sinwar, brother of Yahya Sinwar, who Israel had killed previously. Jerusalem has made it crystal clear it is not stopping until every last Hamas leader is eliminated and the entire military and organizational apparatus is dismantled.

FACED WITH this grim reality, Hamas is desperately trying to spin negotiations and political grandstanding into a lifeline, hoping against hope that something, anything, might shift on the regional or international stage to pull them back from the brink.

Evidently, the terror group knows perfectly well that their October 7 rampage was essentially organizational suicide, not just for themselves, but for all of Gaza. This is the same movement that spent years claiming to be the great defenders of Palestinian interests, only to lead their own people straight into the worst humanitarian catastrophe they have ever seen.

They destroyed Gaza’s infrastructure, and got tens of thousands of civilians killed or displaced. And now, instead of owning up to what they have done, they are cynically using the suffering of ordinary Gazans as bargaining chips in their negotiations with Israel.

Looking at the bigger picture, it is obvious that Hamas’s recent talk about possibly stepping down from leadership of Gaza is really about achieving four main goals: First, they want to win over international opinion by playing the part of the reasonable, compromise-ready political player. Second, they are trying to drag out negotiations for as long as possible to buy time and figure out their next move.

Third, they are scrambling to find some kind of safe haven for their leaders, who are now living with targets on their backs. And fourth, they want to dump the massive responsibility of rebuilding Gaza on someone else’s shoulders while somehow keeping their own political and military power intact.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-856868

Someone else will need to rebuild Gaza. Hamas have lead their people into a disaster with the 7th October attack and someone else will have to sort out the future.

What the people of gaza need is leadership that can build rather than terrorists running the country. They deserve better than the scum running their country for their own financial gain (squirelling away billions over the years) whilst leaving the people of Gaza stuck in a permanent situation of aid dependency.

A leader who has foresight to look forward for a future that doesn't involve attempting to wipe their neighbour off the face of the earth.

October 7th unleashed a conflict where too many innocents have died.

I'm hoping there is a tiny fragment of thought from the Hamas leadership left to think of their people and sod off (no doubt with their money safely held in other countries) and let a new government form.

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Namechangedformyanswer · 09/06/2025 07:18

Martymcfly24 · 08/06/2025 16:42

If Hamas leave which we all hope will happen who do posters see in charge of Gaza?

No idea.

Perhaps an international organisation. Its going to take years to rebuild.

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Twiglets1 · 09/06/2025 07:20

Namechangedformyanswer · 09/06/2025 07:15

Someone else will need to rebuild Gaza. Hamas have lead their people into a disaster with the 7th October attack and someone else will have to sort out the future.

What the people of gaza need is leadership that can build rather than terrorists running the country. They deserve better than the scum running their country for their own financial gain (squirelling away billions over the years) whilst leaving the people of Gaza stuck in a permanent situation of aid dependency.

A leader who has foresight to look forward for a future that doesn't involve attempting to wipe their neighbour off the face of the earth.

October 7th unleashed a conflict where too many innocents have died.

I'm hoping there is a tiny fragment of thought from the Hamas leadership left to think of their people and sod off (no doubt with their money safely held in other countries) and let a new government form.

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I agree someone will need to rebuild Gaza. Don't know who though.

Edited to say: Not Trump!

Namechangedformyanswer · 09/06/2025 09:09

Twiglets1 · 09/06/2025 07:20

I agree someone will need to rebuild Gaza. Don't know who though.

Edited to say: Not Trump!

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Good grief definitely not Trump.

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