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Conflict in the Middle East

Heartbreaking news report from Gaza - Dr receives bodies of her children

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Applenation · 24/05/2025 23:27

Many of you will already have read about this. Paediatric specialist Dr Alaa al-Najjar was on duty when the bodies of nine of her 10 children were received by her in the hospital, after a strike in Khan Younis hit her home.

This report just stopped me in my tracks. I don't know what to say beyond this. I cannot stop thinking about this poor woman tonight.

er children killed by a strike in Khan Younis. Guardian link

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Biscuitsformeandyou · 04/06/2025 20:08

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AIBUHere · 04/06/2025 23:09

Kindatired · 04/06/2025 19:51

@AIBUHere You’re continuing to post on a thread dedicated to the 9 children of Dr Alan Al Najarr in a way that appears to intimate that the children are responsible for their own deaths. That they are in some way associated with Hamas. The IDF is the direct cause of these children being burned alive. The IDF knew they would be there and they burned them alive and blew up their father and brother despite this.
You’re saying that it’s ok to either exterminate them while the IDF bomb the tunnels because it’s too risky for the IDF. So it’s better to kill the kids or displace them to concentration camps is the implication so the IDF can carry on..
But if you use this logic , it could argued that attacking civilians and taking hostages is ok if it fulfils the war objectives. Because all wars have civilian casualties.But everyone acknowledges that Hamas are brutal terrorists and this type of attack cannot be condoned. So why is it ok for Isral? On the scale of depravity, Hamas were leading, but on the scale of numbers it’s Israel and the gao in depravity level is narrowing by the day.

I did not intimate or say any of that at all.

If you read through my posts on this thread, I was responding to what other posters had posted. I didn’t derail it.

Carry on making things up. It’s rather disingenuous but that’s to be expected on this board.

It is true that the other civilians in the area had evacuated, otherwise there’d have been more casualties yes? The IDF expected the building to be empty. Warnings were given.

I attached an article from a journalist who stated the reason the IDF bomb (did you even read it?) and said nothing to the effect that it was better to kill kids or displace them.

Sadly displacement is a fact of war though. Has there ever been one where people haven’t been displaced?

You obviously don’t want me to post on this thread but this is a public debate forum and there has to be some countering of the constant anti Israel rhetoric/Hamas propaganda or do you just want an echo chamber?

Maybe ask MN to ban anyone who deviates from that narrative?

I’m happy to be corrected/challenged on anything I have ACTUALLY SAID in my posts which is misinformed/not factually correct/without evidence btw.

Insanityisnotastrategy · 05/06/2025 00:18

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 04/06/2025 15:10

Jerusalem post is a biased publication and they do not supply any verification or proof. How exactly and where were the photographs obtained or any context. It is not balanced at all.

Children attending hostages does not make them terrorists - Hamas put hostages in family homes. Children being in tunnels again shows some Hamas soldiers have kids, there is nothing to indicate that these children have been recruited. I have read that Hamas will use children as messengers which is awful but again does not make the child an armed combatant.

The other reports seem to mostly pertain to 20+ years ago and point to a very small number of cases (10 cases in 4 years) and again mostly references teenagers. It seems Hamas leadership made several statements over 20 years ago that child soldiers should never be used - at least one Hamas leader ignored that and said that people are adults from 16 but he died 21 years ago which might account for the lack of recent reports. Completely wrong and abhorrent but the small numbers (and none that I can see that relate to the last few years) give no justification for the murder and maiming of 50,000 children! Not one child’s body was reported to have been armed, even the IDF did not claim self defence or that kids were firing weapons - you are pretty much clutching at straws there. Please stop trying to justify children as legitimate war targets on a site for mothers, it is abhorrent.

Israel have been cited as abusing children by using them as human shields and torturing children to get them to agree to be informants!

https://www.refworld.org/reference/annualreport/cscoal/2004/en/64756

Thank you for taking that apart. Gross.

YourOnMute · 05/06/2025 01:30

Biscuitsformeandyou · 04/06/2025 10:52

Oh come on, the media coverage is utterly nowhere near comparable. And you can say I am wrong, but I have provided evidence, you are just going off your beliefs

It's not just my beliefs though. Many world leading humanitarian organisations think this and let's not forget the ICJ.
Many leading authorities and governments agree.
And I did mention those attacks about Yemen and Syria, because they're very recent attacks committed by Israel. Why add to other country's humanitarian crises? You were the one who brought them up first. I'm well aware of what has happened in both, but to ignore Israel's acts upon both is disingenuous.

YourOnMute · 05/06/2025 01:34

Biscuitsformeandyou · 04/06/2025 10:54

Ah yes, of all the things you remember about Yeman and Syria, it is that Israel bombed the Houthis and took Syrian land after the fall of Assad. Says it all really.

Israel took the Golan Heights going back to 1968! It's not a new development.

YourOnMute · 05/06/2025 01:41

Also: I'm correct in what I said. Bombing residential areas, schools and hospitals is prohibited under international law. However if a system believes that these are being used to attack it, the burden of proof is upon that state to evidence and there are procedures to be followed in both doing this and attacking.
Not complying with this is one of the reasons for the warrant from the ICJ. It has stayed that Israel's claims for hospitals in particular are "grossly exaggerated".
So both and I and the ICJ are wrong I suppose.

ssd · 05/06/2025 08:49

AIBUHere · 04/06/2025 23:09

I did not intimate or say any of that at all.

If you read through my posts on this thread, I was responding to what other posters had posted. I didn’t derail it.

Carry on making things up. It’s rather disingenuous but that’s to be expected on this board.

It is true that the other civilians in the area had evacuated, otherwise there’d have been more casualties yes? The IDF expected the building to be empty. Warnings were given.

I attached an article from a journalist who stated the reason the IDF bomb (did you even read it?) and said nothing to the effect that it was better to kill kids or displace them.

Sadly displacement is a fact of war though. Has there ever been one where people haven’t been displaced?

You obviously don’t want me to post on this thread but this is a public debate forum and there has to be some countering of the constant anti Israel rhetoric/Hamas propaganda or do you just want an echo chamber?

Maybe ask MN to ban anyone who deviates from that narrative?

I’m happy to be corrected/challenged on anything I have ACTUALLY SAID in my posts which is misinformed/not factually correct/without evidence btw.

If displacement is a fact of war, how many Israelis have been displaced?

And don't say the hostages, that isn't displacement.

YourOnMute · 05/06/2025 11:05

Thank you @quantumbutterfly . That must be very tough on those people. Having to leave your home is always extremely difficult,the article says some of them have experienced rocket fire. Another example of how this conflict is affecting so many and I wish it would all just end. I'm glad that most are being accommodated in safe, clean places and are getting support.

However I read that "people have been displaced from Gaza border towns in the southwest and Lebanon border towns in the north". Now I'm genuinely not trying to nitpick, as I do acknowledge there is pain and suffering on both sides (and honestly I am so sick of people suffering) but would these be illegal settlements as recognised under international law? I didn't think that Israel was legally allowed to create settlements in those areas. I might be mis-reading that and open to correction.
(If anyone else knows too, not just singing out Quantum!).

YourOnMute · 05/06/2025 11:15

I saw an article yesterday showing that a crowd of Israelis are walking from Tel Aviv to the Gaza border to protest at what is happening (Gaza itself and also they feel that the current approach is not right for the hostages looked up on SM and they were told yesterday on the second day of their walk they are no longer allowed walk on the roads. General feeling seems to be that the Govt wants to reduce their visibility and throw spanners in their protest.

sualipa · 05/06/2025 14:51

Let's hope Greta makes a difference - they wouldn't assasinate her surely ?

www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-856590

Twiglets1 · 05/06/2025 15:27

sualipa · 05/06/2025 14:51

Let's hope Greta makes a difference - they wouldn't assasinate her surely ?

www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-856590

Really cannot see how she is going to make a positive difference. Tend to agree with this writer's opinion that Greta Thunberg’s narcissism has escalated to terrifying levels

Bored with saving the planet, Greta Thunberg now wants to save Gaza. Yes, Sweden’s prophetess of doom has a new moral crusade.

It’s no longer the coming heat death of the Earth that keeps her up at night – it’s Israel’s “live-streamed genocide” in Gaza, as she calls it.

She and a gaggle of self-righteous pals have set sail for that benighted strip of land. They departed Sicily yesterday, their boat a riot of keffiyehs and Palestine flags. They hope to dock in Gaza in a week’s time.

Their aim is nothing less than to “break the Israeli blockade” of Gaza. “We are seeing a systematic starvation of two million people. Every single one of us has a moral obligation to do everything we can to fight for a free Palestine”, said Ms Thunberg.

Of all the smug stunts of the faux-virtuous activist class, this is surely the most preposterous. The idea that 12 woke fainthearts from Europe might “liberate” Gaza would be funny if it were not so dangerous.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/02/greta-thunberg-activism-gaza-woke-elite/

AIBUHere · 05/06/2025 16:44

Twiglets1 · 05/06/2025 15:27

Really cannot see how she is going to make a positive difference. Tend to agree with this writer's opinion that Greta Thunberg’s narcissism has escalated to terrifying levels

Bored with saving the planet, Greta Thunberg now wants to save Gaza. Yes, Sweden’s prophetess of doom has a new moral crusade.

It’s no longer the coming heat death of the Earth that keeps her up at night – it’s Israel’s “live-streamed genocide” in Gaza, as she calls it.

She and a gaggle of self-righteous pals have set sail for that benighted strip of land. They departed Sicily yesterday, their boat a riot of keffiyehs and Palestine flags. They hope to dock in Gaza in a week’s time.

Their aim is nothing less than to “break the Israeli blockade” of Gaza. “We are seeing a systematic starvation of two million people. Every single one of us has a moral obligation to do everything we can to fight for a free Palestine”, said Ms Thunberg.

Of all the smug stunts of the faux-virtuous activist class, this is surely the most preposterous. The idea that 12 woke fainthearts from Europe might “liberate” Gaza would be funny if it were not so dangerous.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/02/greta-thunberg-activism-gaza-woke-elite/

Quite. They are seemingly trying to provoke some kind of action from Israel which will obviously be an interception of the boat and deportation of the occupants which they will ‘resist’ and can then spin as illegal detainment, IDF brutality, Israel trying to hide the truth of what’s going on in Gaza and preventing humanitarian assistance (how much exactly did they fit that on that boat?) etc.

As if civilians from other countries would normally be able to, or want to, rock up and enter an active war zone with hostages still being held by a fanatical terrorist organisation for almost two years, and capable of the Oct 7th atrocities, and who have stated they want as many of their people killed as possible for their cause and have no responsibility to them.

If they are allowed to enter Gaza without IDF protection, what do you think are the chances are of Hamas or one of the other terrorist groups killing them either accidentally on purpose and/or blaming the IDF? You’d assume they won’t want IDF protection as they’re allegedly committing genocide.

Interesting that one of the people on board (the Brazilian activist) seems to be a supporter of Hezbollah leader Nasrallah and attended his funeral. I won’t post a link but it’s on his X account for the ‘Freedom Flotilla’. Odd this hasn’t been picked up by the MSM when reporting on this.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 05/06/2025 17:02

They are exemplary human beings - they are risking their lives to deliver food to a starving population. I would be so thrilled if my daughter turned out to be half the person Greta is! Remarkable young lady.

Says a lot that you think Israel would be “making” them attack them, they have no right to attack peaceful people in international waters. Palestine is not their country, they have NO right to block aid to starving people. They are invaders, just like Russia is in the Ukraine.

Twiglets1 · 05/06/2025 17:30

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 05/06/2025 17:02

They are exemplary human beings - they are risking their lives to deliver food to a starving population. I would be so thrilled if my daughter turned out to be half the person Greta is! Remarkable young lady.

Says a lot that you think Israel would be “making” them attack them, they have no right to attack peaceful people in international waters. Palestine is not their country, they have NO right to block aid to starving people. They are invaders, just like Russia is in the Ukraine.

Come off it, Random - even the activists on board the boat have said the amount of aid they are carrying is “symbolic” rather than say, useful.

Twiglets1 · 05/06/2025 17:32

Luckily for them Israel have said they won’t allow the boat to dock in the Gaza Strip anyway so it’s not helping anyone.

Martymcfly24 · 05/06/2025 17:46

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 05/06/2025 17:02

They are exemplary human beings - they are risking their lives to deliver food to a starving population. I would be so thrilled if my daughter turned out to be half the person Greta is! Remarkable young lady.

Says a lot that you think Israel would be “making” them attack them, they have no right to attack peaceful people in international waters. Palestine is not their country, they have NO right to block aid to starving people. They are invaders, just like Russia is in the Ukraine.

Agree. She is really the symbol of hatred for Daily Mail style readers: climate change and pro Palestinian: if she was buddies with Harry and Megan they would combust!.it's like all their nightmares rolled into one. Fair play to her for standing up on this one.

Israel have blocked so much going into Gaza for years that this is nothing new. Wedding dresses were banned at one stage, because we all know how deadly white lace is...

And their are risking their lives when you think about the flotillas of 2010/11

Namechangedformyanswer · 05/06/2025 18:36

Twiglets1 · 05/06/2025 15:27

Really cannot see how she is going to make a positive difference. Tend to agree with this writer's opinion that Greta Thunberg’s narcissism has escalated to terrifying levels

Bored with saving the planet, Greta Thunberg now wants to save Gaza. Yes, Sweden’s prophetess of doom has a new moral crusade.

It’s no longer the coming heat death of the Earth that keeps her up at night – it’s Israel’s “live-streamed genocide” in Gaza, as she calls it.

She and a gaggle of self-righteous pals have set sail for that benighted strip of land. They departed Sicily yesterday, their boat a riot of keffiyehs and Palestine flags. They hope to dock in Gaza in a week’s time.

Their aim is nothing less than to “break the Israeli blockade” of Gaza. “We are seeing a systematic starvation of two million people. Every single one of us has a moral obligation to do everything we can to fight for a free Palestine”, said Ms Thunberg.

Of all the smug stunts of the faux-virtuous activist class, this is surely the most preposterous. The idea that 12 woke fainthearts from Europe might “liberate” Gaza would be funny if it were not so dangerous.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/02/greta-thunberg-activism-gaza-woke-elite/

Oh my.

Namechangedformyanswer · 05/06/2025 18:38

Twiglets1 · 05/06/2025 17:30

Come off it, Random - even the activists on board the boat have said the amount of aid they are carrying is “symbolic” rather than say, useful.

Symbolic. Sounds about right. Slogans. Symbols. Chants. Soundbites. Hamas will love them.

Let's hope negotiations for a ceasefire are fruitful.

AIBUHere · 05/06/2025 18:54

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 05/06/2025 17:02

They are exemplary human beings - they are risking their lives to deliver food to a starving population. I would be so thrilled if my daughter turned out to be half the person Greta is! Remarkable young lady.

Says a lot that you think Israel would be “making” them attack them, they have no right to attack peaceful people in international waters. Palestine is not their country, they have NO right to block aid to starving people. They are invaders, just like Russia is in the Ukraine.

Who said that Israel would making them attack them or even mentioned Israel attacking them? It really is a sign of a weak challenge to a debate when people stoop to making things up. Happens over and over on here

Taking action does not mean attacking. Obviously Israel will have to stop these idiots landing in Gaza for their own safety which will probably mean intercepting the boat and detaining them before deportation which is what they want so they can ‘resist’.

I would be absolutely horrified and sincerely disappointed in my DD if she did something like this. Putting herself and others at risk in a war zone for a publicity stunt. Thats what they’re doing it for not to deliver food!

Martymcfly24 · 05/06/2025 19:19

Imagine calling someone an idiot for wanting to land aid during a famine.

Think if my baby was dying because another country had prevented formula coming in I would take every bit of support I could get whether the giver was a performative virtue signaller or not .

And any publicity stunt that lets the world see what Israel is doing is a good thing.

ssd · 05/06/2025 19:41

i would be so proud if my dcs did this. And i know they would if they could. So would hundreds of others.
Its so typical of the pro Israeli posters to try to patronise and denigrate these actions. Its really pathetic. They cant stand the fact that Israel is slipping further and further into isolation. Its becoming a pariah on the world stage. Of course they will say this is because we hate jews. That's what they focus on, rather than face the fact Israels actions are turning the workd against them and exposing what has been happening to the Palestinians for years. I pity the many decent people who live in Israel and are against Netanyahu and his corrupt government. They know what is happening is wrong and they have the courage to speak up. They are to be admired.

AIBUHere · 05/06/2025 19:46

Martymcfly24 · 05/06/2025 19:19

Imagine calling someone an idiot for wanting to land aid during a famine.

Think if my baby was dying because another country had prevented formula coming in I would take every bit of support I could get whether the giver was a performative virtue signaller or not .

And any publicity stunt that lets the world see what Israel is doing is a good thing.

Err not just a ‘famine’ though, an active war zone with a ‘genocidal, monstrous, evil, fascist’ Army on one side and barbaric gang raping, head chopping, dismembering, shooting rampaging, baby kidnapping, terrorist organisations (and civilian partipants), on the other.

Would you advise your 23 year old daughter or any one you knew it was ‘a good thing’ to deliberately get caught up in that.

I personally would have advised against it but that’s just me.