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What did you do during the genocide in Gaza?

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ssd · 22/05/2025 22:05

This is a brilliant article.

This will be taught in schools one day and our grandkids will ask us but what did you do when you knew this was happening?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide

What did you do during the genocide in Gaza? | Arwa Mahdawi

When future generations read about Gaza with horror and wonder how we allowed a livestreamed genocide to happen, what will you say?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide

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Anonimummy · 12/07/2025 15:25

Stirabout · 12/07/2025 15:18

It really is isn’t it and racist.!! This assumption that all adults in Gaza are not innocent. Disgraceful

No it’s the truth.

It’s certainly not racist to accuse people who voted in a terrorist government, who wanted to annihilate their neighbours, of doing so,

How many gave information regarding the hostages, even the offer of $5 million and safe passage out of Gaza.

How many cheered in the streets in Oct 7th and at the hostage/body handovers?

How many civilians held hostages in their homes?

How about you prove me wrong and evidence how many in Gaza doesn’t support terrorism?

Hamas is not the only terror faction there btw.

Western lib Pro Palestinians are totally deluded, although I think many of them actually know that, IMO.

Eatcakeplease · 12/07/2025 15:27

Stirabout · 12/07/2025 15:18

It really is isn’t it and racist.!! This assumption that all adults in Gaza are not innocent. Disgraceful

It's so sad that people have dehumanised Palestinians to such an extent that they don't consider any of them innocent. Once that mindset takes hold, it then excuses and even justifies all violence against them.

Eatcakeplease · 12/07/2025 15:28

By 'them' i am referring to the poster who thinks only Palestinian children can be afforded some partial sympathy.

Beachtastic · 12/07/2025 15:31

Eatcakeplease · 12/07/2025 15:27

It's so sad that people have dehumanised Palestinians to such an extent that they don't consider any of them innocent. Once that mindset takes hold, it then excuses and even justifies all violence against them.

But you seem to be dehumanising adult Palestinians by saying that they have no agency. (Edited to add: Hamas certainly exerts a tyrannical rule, but it's rather cock-eyed to blame Israel for this!)

Stirabout · 12/07/2025 15:32

Eatcakeplease · 12/07/2025 15:27

It's so sad that people have dehumanised Palestinians to such an extent that they don't consider any of them innocent. Once that mindset takes hold, it then excuses and even justifies all violence against them.

Which then gives perceived justification for killing the civilian population of Gaza. Which is abhorrent. I see why some have very extreme views on the situation in Gaza now if this opinion is generally held. I’m hoping it isn’t and I haven’t seen much of this sort of attitude before on MNet.

Martymcfly24 · 12/07/2025 15:40

Stirabout · 12/07/2025 15:32

Which then gives perceived justification for killing the civilian population of Gaza. Which is abhorrent. I see why some have very extreme views on the situation in Gaza now if this opinion is generally held. I’m hoping it isn’t and I haven’t seen much of this sort of attitude before on MNet.

Edited

Exactly as @Anonimummy they are responsible for killing their children not Israel dropping 500lb bombs on sleeping children in tents .

Hamas being voted in in 2006 and not allowing more elections that's their fault too.

Nicely absolves Israel of any blame here.

Edited to add I hadn't seen it either. Most pro Israeli posters would not (and most still so not)have held views like this or the post earlier about no one caring about Palestinians .

Martymcfly24 · 12/07/2025 15:45

Beachtastic · 12/07/2025 14:59

But... they actually don't! Not systematically saturating social media, the way Hamas does (presenting it, of course, as simply "people's voices being heard"). Israel has been very restrained. Graphic content is sometimes shared with foreign diplomats and journalists behind closed doors to influence policy or media coverage, rather than being widely broadcast. Greta had the chance to see it, but wasn't interested.

You would have to actively search for disturbing images online - partly out of respect for the dead and not wanting to exploit or further traumatise their families. There are also legal and investigative concerns, not wanting to compromise war crimes documentation or legal proceedings. And of course, crazy though this may sound, reluctance to feed the grotesque delight some people take in seeing the suffering of Jews.

And that's their choice to do so.

They have the world's media interviewing them and their ambassadors to tell their story and their leader has private dinners with the American president.

Palestinians don't have that luxury.

Namechangedformyanswer · 12/07/2025 15:47

ForgeOfEmpires · 02/07/2025 23:52

When people ask me what I was doing, I will say I wasn't virtue signalling on message boards because it was the fashionable thing.

I would say that in the 634 days since Gaza invaded Israel, 61,000 people have been killed in the Sudanese civil war, 378,000 in Tigray, 150,000 in Yemen, 258,000 in Ukraine. For those I know how many were civilians and how many were combatants - but in Gaza I still don't have that information because one side hides it's combatants amongst the civilian population.

I would say that outside of direct conflict, more than 500,000 children under 5 have starved to death in Sudan since the war started, more than 100,000 women were killed by their partners around the world in acts of domestic violence, while 21.88 million women in Afghanistan were stripped of their right to be seen, heard, to laugh, cry, see a doctor, go to school or even be seen from a window in the house.

And I will wish, as I have wished, for 634 days that Hamas did not invade Israel, that they did not hide amongst their women and children and they they would just give the hostages back so innocent people could stop needlessly dying.

And I will be pretty proud that I said the same thing every day: give up your guns, return the hostages, and stop trying to annihilate Israel. Palestinian people have been cannon fodder for far too long. These ridiculous articles just perpetuate the chain of dishonesty that feeds fuel to the conflict.

100%

The posters who make stupid comments about people supporting the killing of children are frankly ridiculous.

Namechangedformyanswer · 12/07/2025 15:49

I've been away from the CITME thread for weeks and come back and see the same virtue signalling, the same lack of understanding of the long history of hatred and the same people spouting nonsense.

Stirabout · 12/07/2025 15:57

Namechangedformyanswer · 12/07/2025 15:49

I've been away from the CITME thread for weeks and come back and see the same virtue signalling, the same lack of understanding of the long history of hatred and the same people spouting nonsense.

I agree. The most recent shocking of which is on this thread regarding all adult Palestinians. We really need everyone to step back from the racism, Islamophobia and anti semitism if there’s to be a peaceful solution.

Eatcakeplease · 12/07/2025 16:02

Beachtastic · 12/07/2025 15:31

But you seem to be dehumanising adult Palestinians by saying that they have no agency. (Edited to add: Hamas certainly exerts a tyrannical rule, but it's rather cock-eyed to blame Israel for this!)

Edited

Stop making things up that I did not say. Do you agree with the poster that the only innocents in Gaza are the children?

Anonimummy · 12/07/2025 16:03

Stirabout · 12/07/2025 15:32

Which then gives perceived justification for killing the civilian population of Gaza. Which is abhorrent. I see why some have very extreme views on the situation in Gaza now if this opinion is generally held. I’m hoping it isn’t and I haven’t seen much of this sort of attitude before on MNet.

Edited

Did I justify killing the civilian population of Gaza?

What is the reason for the war that is going on right now in your view?”

ForgeOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 16:03

Martymcfly24 · 12/07/2025 15:21

Ambulance driver might have made a poor choice carrying the child while doing CPR yes but we are constantly being told here about the IDF who make poor choices because "it's war" so we will have to use that argument for both sides.

My point stands if the other ambulance driver hasn't filmed the stop we would all have believed the IDF bull.

"just evidence and the courage of survivors".

So don't document it now wait till this mystical time that Israel will stop killing you and then you will be the perfect victim and can tell your story.

If the stories/images are true do you class them as propaganda?

Right. So your contention is that this video showing allegedly a paramedic holding a baby, whilst driving and using one hand to change gears and the other to perform what looks like fake CPR (with a caption that gives credit to the cameraman) is all being done to stop Israeli lies?

Why not film after you're finished driving? Why not allow the paramedic to focus on saving the baby's life rather than catching its supposed imminent death on camera? Why not let the cameraman drive so the "medic" can perform CPR?

It's obvious to me this is a completely staged video, down to the camera credits, the gang of people chilling out and chatting in the back of the ambulance and what seems obviously to be a sleeping baby with a bit of cloth loosely wrapped around it's head, but if I give it the benefit of the doubt...

If anyone, especially a baby has a head injury, you wouldn't let them flail around like that. CPR on a baby is performed with two fingers, not a flat hand. CPR also requires rescue breaths. So the other explanation aside from it being staged, is that these two idiots are seriously risking the life of that baby to get a good video.

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Martymcfly24 · 12/07/2025 16:20

ForgeOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 16:03

Right. So your contention is that this video showing allegedly a paramedic holding a baby, whilst driving and using one hand to change gears and the other to perform what looks like fake CPR (with a caption that gives credit to the cameraman) is all being done to stop Israeli lies?

Why not film after you're finished driving? Why not allow the paramedic to focus on saving the baby's life rather than catching its supposed imminent death on camera? Why not let the cameraman drive so the "medic" can perform CPR?

It's obvious to me this is a completely staged video, down to the camera credits, the gang of people chilling out and chatting in the back of the ambulance and what seems obviously to be a sleeping baby with a bit of cloth loosely wrapped around it's head, but if I give it the benefit of the doubt...

If anyone, especially a baby has a head injury, you wouldn't let them flail around like that. CPR on a baby is performed with two fingers, not a flat hand. CPR also requires rescue breaths. So the other explanation aside from it being staged, is that these two idiots are seriously risking the life of that baby to get a good video.

That's not my point at all.

I said it was a poor choice..
I agree with you.

War causes people to make poor choices and we have seen that from both sides.

The Israeli lies was in relation to the ambulance drivers being shot and the ambulances buried.

Anonimummy · 12/07/2025 16:20

Stirabout · 12/07/2025 15:57

I agree. The most recent shocking of which is on this thread regarding all adult Palestinians. We really need everyone to step back from the racism, Islamophobia and anti semitism if there’s to be a peaceful solution.

Is it racism and Islamophobia (does that mean opposition to an ideological death cult btw?) to state facts?

Why aren’t adult Palestinians requesting safe haven for their children? The UN is there, the US and Israel is there along with plenty of other international NGOs like the Red Cross and Amnesty. It’s not like there is no one to listen to them and put pressure on the international community to do so.

Ah, you’ll say but Hamas won’t let them do that, but also many on here believe Israel should withdraw and leave Hamas to it and also that there will only others to replenish them even if Hamas is partially dismantled now and so it continues.

I suppose we’re moving on now a bit now from pro-Israelis being accused of justifying the killing of Palestinian children……….

Not advocating for safe haven for children because ‘land’ and for Hamas to surrender seems to be justifying killing Palestinian children to me.

Martymcfly24 · 12/07/2025 16:21

Stirabout · 12/07/2025 15:57

I agree. The most recent shocking of which is on this thread regarding all adult Palestinians. We really need everyone to step back from the racism, Islamophobia and anti semitism if there’s to be a peaceful solution.

Absolutely or stating that no one cares about Palestinians.

When as humans we should care about everyone regardless of religion or ethnicity.

Stirabout · 12/07/2025 16:23

Anonimummy · 12/07/2025 16:20

Is it racism and Islamophobia (does that mean opposition to an ideological death cult btw?) to state facts?

Why aren’t adult Palestinians requesting safe haven for their children? The UN is there, the US and Israel is there along with plenty of other international NGOs like the Red Cross and Amnesty. It’s not like there is no one to listen to them and put pressure on the international community to do so.

Ah, you’ll say but Hamas won’t let them do that, but also many on here believe Israel should withdraw and leave Hamas to it and also that there will only others to replenish them even if Hamas is partially dismantled now and so it continues.

I suppose we’re moving on now a bit now from pro-Israelis being accused of justifying the killing of Palestinian children……….

Not advocating for safe haven for children because ‘land’ and for Hamas to surrender seems to be justifying killing Palestinian children to me.

An attempt at deflecting away from that appalling post upthread doesn’t work with me I’m afraid. Racism disgusts me and I do not engage.

Anonimummy · 12/07/2025 16:24

ForgeOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 16:03

Right. So your contention is that this video showing allegedly a paramedic holding a baby, whilst driving and using one hand to change gears and the other to perform what looks like fake CPR (with a caption that gives credit to the cameraman) is all being done to stop Israeli lies?

Why not film after you're finished driving? Why not allow the paramedic to focus on saving the baby's life rather than catching its supposed imminent death on camera? Why not let the cameraman drive so the "medic" can perform CPR?

It's obvious to me this is a completely staged video, down to the camera credits, the gang of people chilling out and chatting in the back of the ambulance and what seems obviously to be a sleeping baby with a bit of cloth loosely wrapped around it's head, but if I give it the benefit of the doubt...

If anyone, especially a baby has a head injury, you wouldn't let them flail around like that. CPR on a baby is performed with two fingers, not a flat hand. CPR also requires rescue breaths. So the other explanation aside from it being staged, is that these two idiots are seriously risking the life of that baby to get a good video.

There’s plenty of those videos about as well. Seems to be the current theme.

https://x.com/GAZAWOOD1/status/1943666771312930928

https://x.com/GAZAWOOD1/status/1943666771312930928

Anonimummy · 12/07/2025 16:28

Stirabout · 12/07/2025 16:23

An attempt at deflecting away from that appalling post upthread doesn’t work with me I’m afraid. Racism disgusts me and I do not engage.

Edited

Explain the racism?

I don’t feel the need the deflect from what I post, maybe you do or you would have responded also replying to the questions in my post.

Anonimummy · 12/07/2025 16:36

Martymcfly24 · 12/07/2025 15:45

And that's their choice to do so.

They have the world's media interviewing them and their ambassadors to tell their story and their leader has private dinners with the American president.

Palestinians don't have that luxury.

Be serious please.

Palestinians don’t have the world’s media and SM focused on them, the world’s media are not quoting Hamas constantly, there isn’t protests all around the world almost every day, they don’t have representation in the UN, and are not in negotiations with one of the world’s most powerful countries?

ForgeOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 16:37

Of course there are innocent Palestinians.

Hamas controls Gaza through fear and violence. It is not a democracy—there haven’t been elections since 2006—and dissent is brutally punished. Speaking out against Hamas can mean imprisonment, torture, or execution. Many people are simply too afraid to say anything.

I saw a video just this week of them dropping breeze blocks of the limbs of a man to break his bones because he got food from the israelis. They shoot people in their kneecaps. Its like the mafia, people are bonded in silence.

At the same time, Hamas has spent years indoctrinating the population through education, media, and religious institutions. From childhood, Gazans are taught that Jews are enemies, martyrdom is honourable, and violence is justified. This isn’t incidental—it’s systematic.

That propaganda shapes minds, and it has worked. The truth is, a significant portion of the population does support Hamas, and this was made plain when thousands celebrated the massacre on October 7. That doesn’t mean all Gazans support terror, but too many clearly do.

As for the hostages, the sad truth is that many Gazans don’t view them as innocent. They’ve been taught to see all Israelis as settlers or soldiers, not civilians. Helping return hostages would be considered collaboration, and in Hamas-run Gaza, that’s a death sentence. Worse, some support holding hostages as leverage or revenge. There’s been little evidence of widespread outrage over their captivity.

The risk isn't just your life, it's your whole family. There will be loads who don't want to live like this but they're trapped. The people who are meant to help them like Amnesty or the UN are actually helping the terrorists!!!!!!

Many wonder why Gazans don’t evacuate to protect their children. The reality is that Hamas deliberately prevents evacuations, blocks routes, steals aid, and uses civilians as human shields. Egypt won’t accept mass refugees, and Israel cannot absorb a hostile population. In practice, there is no safe way out for most. I have never in my life seen a civilian population locked in a warzone like this.

The better question is why the UN and the international and NGO community allow it to happen. I don't agree with all anons comments as I've said above, but I 100,% agree that if the UN or politicians are not doing everything they can to get Gazan children out, then they do not genuinely believe they're in a genocide.

It's easy to stand on principles here, but when Jews were experiencing genocide in Germany or facing systemic violence and persecution in Iraq or Egypt - they got out willingly even if it meant moving from their homes. What's going on here looks like it's being deliberately orchestrated and the loudest critics care more about delegitimising Israel than saving Palestinian lives.

It looks to be like an ideological battle and in a sense there, every Palestinian is probably a victim of it.

Namechangedformyanswer · 12/07/2025 16:40

ForgeOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 16:37

Of course there are innocent Palestinians.

Hamas controls Gaza through fear and violence. It is not a democracy—there haven’t been elections since 2006—and dissent is brutally punished. Speaking out against Hamas can mean imprisonment, torture, or execution. Many people are simply too afraid to say anything.

I saw a video just this week of them dropping breeze blocks of the limbs of a man to break his bones because he got food from the israelis. They shoot people in their kneecaps. Its like the mafia, people are bonded in silence.

At the same time, Hamas has spent years indoctrinating the population through education, media, and religious institutions. From childhood, Gazans are taught that Jews are enemies, martyrdom is honourable, and violence is justified. This isn’t incidental—it’s systematic.

That propaganda shapes minds, and it has worked. The truth is, a significant portion of the population does support Hamas, and this was made plain when thousands celebrated the massacre on October 7. That doesn’t mean all Gazans support terror, but too many clearly do.

As for the hostages, the sad truth is that many Gazans don’t view them as innocent. They’ve been taught to see all Israelis as settlers or soldiers, not civilians. Helping return hostages would be considered collaboration, and in Hamas-run Gaza, that’s a death sentence. Worse, some support holding hostages as leverage or revenge. There’s been little evidence of widespread outrage over their captivity.

The risk isn't just your life, it's your whole family. There will be loads who don't want to live like this but they're trapped. The people who are meant to help them like Amnesty or the UN are actually helping the terrorists!!!!!!

Many wonder why Gazans don’t evacuate to protect their children. The reality is that Hamas deliberately prevents evacuations, blocks routes, steals aid, and uses civilians as human shields. Egypt won’t accept mass refugees, and Israel cannot absorb a hostile population. In practice, there is no safe way out for most. I have never in my life seen a civilian population locked in a warzone like this.

The better question is why the UN and the international and NGO community allow it to happen. I don't agree with all anons comments as I've said above, but I 100,% agree that if the UN or politicians are not doing everything they can to get Gazan children out, then they do not genuinely believe they're in a genocide.

It's easy to stand on principles here, but when Jews were experiencing genocide in Germany or facing systemic violence and persecution in Iraq or Egypt - they got out willingly even if it meant moving from their homes. What's going on here looks like it's being deliberately orchestrated and the loudest critics care more about delegitimising Israel than saving Palestinian lives.

It looks to be like an ideological battle and in a sense there, every Palestinian is probably a victim of it.

100%

Stirabout · 12/07/2025 16:42

Anonimummy · 12/07/2025 16:24

There’s plenty of those videos about as well. Seems to be the current theme.

https://x.com/GAZAWOOD1/status/1943666771312930928

Wow Gazawood on X Really !. I’d read some of Reuters fact checking on their propaganda. There’s a reason they’re only on X.

What did you do during the genocide in Gaza?
What did you do during the genocide in Gaza?
Namechangedformyanswer · 12/07/2025 16:42

quantumbutterfly · 12/07/2025 14:03

Actually this is what shocked me most, it wouldn't and it didn't for the hard core. I saw celebrations of 7/10 in western countries while it was happening, celebrations of the atrocities. I saw rape denial and accusations of hasbara, I heard a hamas official in a BBC interview deny what happened on 7/10.

I heard Yuval Raphael's testimony and I saw the crowds vilifying her.

I've heard people justify it and gaslight the meaning of jihad, or from the river to the sea, or kill all the zionists, in my country thousands of miles from Israel, from people with no skin in the game ( unless for some you count the ummah - I could at least understand that).

Israelis and Jewish people have been successfully de-humanised by a swathe of people whilst accusing those who don't join them of doing that to Gazans.

Indeed.

Anonimummy · 12/07/2025 17:14

ForgeOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 16:37

Of course there are innocent Palestinians.

Hamas controls Gaza through fear and violence. It is not a democracy—there haven’t been elections since 2006—and dissent is brutally punished. Speaking out against Hamas can mean imprisonment, torture, or execution. Many people are simply too afraid to say anything.

I saw a video just this week of them dropping breeze blocks of the limbs of a man to break his bones because he got food from the israelis. They shoot people in their kneecaps. Its like the mafia, people are bonded in silence.

At the same time, Hamas has spent years indoctrinating the population through education, media, and religious institutions. From childhood, Gazans are taught that Jews are enemies, martyrdom is honourable, and violence is justified. This isn’t incidental—it’s systematic.

That propaganda shapes minds, and it has worked. The truth is, a significant portion of the population does support Hamas, and this was made plain when thousands celebrated the massacre on October 7. That doesn’t mean all Gazans support terror, but too many clearly do.

As for the hostages, the sad truth is that many Gazans don’t view them as innocent. They’ve been taught to see all Israelis as settlers or soldiers, not civilians. Helping return hostages would be considered collaboration, and in Hamas-run Gaza, that’s a death sentence. Worse, some support holding hostages as leverage or revenge. There’s been little evidence of widespread outrage over their captivity.

The risk isn't just your life, it's your whole family. There will be loads who don't want to live like this but they're trapped. The people who are meant to help them like Amnesty or the UN are actually helping the terrorists!!!!!!

Many wonder why Gazans don’t evacuate to protect their children. The reality is that Hamas deliberately prevents evacuations, blocks routes, steals aid, and uses civilians as human shields. Egypt won’t accept mass refugees, and Israel cannot absorb a hostile population. In practice, there is no safe way out for most. I have never in my life seen a civilian population locked in a warzone like this.

The better question is why the UN and the international and NGO community allow it to happen. I don't agree with all anons comments as I've said above, but I 100,% agree that if the UN or politicians are not doing everything they can to get Gazan children out, then they do not genuinely believe they're in a genocide.

It's easy to stand on principles here, but when Jews were experiencing genocide in Germany or facing systemic violence and persecution in Iraq or Egypt - they got out willingly even if it meant moving from their homes. What's going on here looks like it's being deliberately orchestrated and the loudest critics care more about delegitimising Israel than saving Palestinian lives.

It looks to be like an ideological battle and in a sense there, every Palestinian is probably a victim of it.

You will note though that I said in my deleted (of course) earlier post that I can’t now refer back to that Palestinians supported terrorism and IMV the adults are not innocent, I was referring to the elections in 2006 where Hamas were voted in on 44.45% of the vote with Fatah taking 41.43% and the remaining 14% of the vote being spread around 5 other parties.

Fatah hardly has a record of wanting peace with Israel.

Not sure what platform the other 5 parties were on but they got between 2-4% of the vote each. Mustafa Barghouti of the PNI and Salam Fayyad of the Third Way seem to be the only parties which did not advocate violence. Barghouti got 2.72% of the vote and Fayyad 2.41%

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election

My bad, I shouldn’t have said ALL Palestinians. I should have said 95% of Gazan adults in 2006 whose children are now suffering the consequences and have been since 2006.

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