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What did you do during the genocide in Gaza?

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ssd · 22/05/2025 22:05

This is a brilliant article.

This will be taught in schools one day and our grandkids will ask us but what did you do when you knew this was happening?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide

What did you do during the genocide in Gaza? | Arwa Mahdawi

When future generations read about Gaza with horror and wonder how we allowed a livestreamed genocide to happen, what will you say?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-genocide

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Beachtastic · 12/07/2025 08:14

ssd · 11/07/2025 22:35

History will certainly judge Israel as completely over the top aggressors here. Their response to oct 7th has been genocide in Palestine. I don't know anyone in rl who still supports Israel and thinks murdering 56000 people is justified. Only on mn do we get unconditional support for whatever Israel chooses to do from certain posters. Which I take with a big pinch of salt...

Only on MN do we get "virtue signalling" threads like this, using words like aggressors, genocide, murder, and unconditional as though they mean whatever you want them to mean.

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Odras · 12/07/2025 08:39

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I don't know anyone in rl who still supports Israel - you might not, hundreds of millions do support Israel, and most people do not care about the Palestinians and think they had this coming to them after the worst terrorist attack in the world since 9/11.

I don’t think even all the pro Israel people on this thread think all the Palestinians “ had this coming” Never mind worldwide. Polls show Israel has lost a lot of support as people think, at a minimum, they have gone too far. For those that support the military action as it is right now, some are buying the line from the Israeli authorities that the deaths of Palestinians are “ collateral damage” . It’s shocking that you would say that out loud really.

Twiglets1 · 12/07/2025 09:03

Beachtastic · 12/07/2025 08:14

Only on MN do we get "virtue signalling" threads like this, using words like aggressors, genocide, murder, and unconditional as though they mean whatever you want them to mean.

I agree.

Completely made up statements like Only on mn do we get unconditional support for whatever Israel chooses to do from certain posters

The reality is no Israel supporters on these threads has offered unconditional support for whatever Israel chooses to do. Most of us are against the Settlers for example, & many of us have expressed concern over the GHF.

What none of us have said is Israel is perfect and can do no wrong.

Twiglets1 · 12/07/2025 09:12

@Odras no it is not my opinion that Palestinian civilians had this coming and I do care about innocent Palestinians caught up in this hell.

My personal view is that Hamas had it coming and I'm pleased that the IDF are doing what they can to destroy their capabilities in Gaza (and what they did in Iran).

However, I have very little sympathy for Hamas supporters in Gaza or elsewhere. For those that celebrated October 7th with cheering and celebrations, yes in my heart I think they had it coming.

ssd · 12/07/2025 09:13

And no one on here has said hamas are justified in what they did on oct 7th. I haven't seen anyone doing anything but condemn what hamas did. Same as in rl. But on here its taken as the truth that you agree with hamas if you show horror at what has happened in Gaza

@HellsBalls , I've got nothing to say to you. Your views are appaling to me.

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quantumbutterfly · 12/07/2025 09:15

Twiglets1 · 12/07/2025 09:03

I agree.

Completely made up statements like Only on mn do we get unconditional support for whatever Israel chooses to do from certain posters

The reality is no Israel supporters on these threads has offered unconditional support for whatever Israel chooses to do. Most of us are against the Settlers for example, & many of us have expressed concern over the GHF.

What none of us have said is Israel is perfect and can do no wrong.

I get a 'lord haw haw' vibe from posters who claim (sometimes with faux sympathy) that Israel is alone on the world stage, or that Israel is the cause of antisemitism.

Beachtastic · 12/07/2025 09:25

ssd · 12/07/2025 09:13

And no one on here has said hamas are justified in what they did on oct 7th. I haven't seen anyone doing anything but condemn what hamas did. Same as in rl. But on here its taken as the truth that you agree with hamas if you show horror at what has happened in Gaza

@HellsBalls , I've got nothing to say to you. Your views are appaling to me.

But if you condemn Hamas, how do you think Israel (facing an immediate genocidal threat from them and others) should deal with them? Offer them cake?

Lolapusht · 12/07/2025 10:01

Beachtastic · 12/07/2025 09:25

But if you condemn Hamas, how do you think Israel (facing an immediate genocidal threat from them and others) should deal with them? Offer them cake?

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Yes. Let them eat cake. Cake for everyone!

Cake shall be passed around in celebration of peace once Israel has put it’s weapons down and the millions of Israeli-loving Gazans can finally get on with living in harmony with their once genocidal neighbours.

That’s what will happen, won’t it, once Israel stops the genociding? Peace shall spontaneously spread forth across the land from the river to the sea?

I wouldn’t spend quite so much time defending Israel if the pro-Palestine people would actually say something other than “Israel needs to…but Israel…if only Israel…why does Israel”.

And as for the “…of course what Hamas did on 7 Oct was terrible and I absolutely condemn it, but…” crowd. Oy vey!

SisforSusanna · 12/07/2025 10:02

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cupfinalchaos · 12/07/2025 10:09

Lolapusht · 12/07/2025 10:01

Yes. Let them eat cake. Cake for everyone!

Cake shall be passed around in celebration of peace once Israel has put it’s weapons down and the millions of Israeli-loving Gazans can finally get on with living in harmony with their once genocidal neighbours.

That’s what will happen, won’t it, once Israel stops the genociding? Peace shall spontaneously spread forth across the land from the river to the sea?

I wouldn’t spend quite so much time defending Israel if the pro-Palestine people would actually say something other than “Israel needs to…but Israel…if only Israel…why does Israel”.

And as for the “…of course what Hamas did on 7 Oct was terrible and I absolutely condemn it, but…” crowd. Oy vey!

Exactly. I count the seconds till the “but” after mention of 7th. Unfortunately it’s well beyond oy vey.

Martymcfly24 · 12/07/2025 10:23

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most people do not care about the Palestinians and think they had this coming to them after the worst terrorist attack in the world since 9/11.

Saying the quiet part out loud.
Always good when the mask drops and people show you who they are.

quantumbutterfly · 12/07/2025 10:30

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Your concern is touching.

Lolapusht · 12/07/2025 10:39

Martymcfly24 · 12/07/2025 10:23

most people do not care about the Palestinians and think they had this coming to them after the worst terrorist attack in the world since 9/11.

Saying the quiet part out loud.
Always good when the mask drops and people show you who they are.

Usually goes hand-in-hand with a warning against conflating anti-semitism with anti-Zionism. It’s like they think if they’ve said “Of course I condemn what Hamas did, but…” and chucked in a “You’re conflating disagreeing with what Israel does and anti-Semitism! Anti-Zionism isn’t anti-Semitic” they then get a pass to say whatever they want because they’ve already shown their activist “activist” credentials so they can’t possibly be doing and ism as they’re the good guys.

Beachtastic · 12/07/2025 10:43

Lolapusht · 12/07/2025 10:01

Yes. Let them eat cake. Cake for everyone!

Cake shall be passed around in celebration of peace once Israel has put it’s weapons down and the millions of Israeli-loving Gazans can finally get on with living in harmony with their once genocidal neighbours.

That’s what will happen, won’t it, once Israel stops the genociding? Peace shall spontaneously spread forth across the land from the river to the sea?

I wouldn’t spend quite so much time defending Israel if the pro-Palestine people would actually say something other than “Israel needs to…but Israel…if only Israel…why does Israel”.

And as for the “…of course what Hamas did on 7 Oct was terrible and I absolutely condemn it, but…” crowd. Oy vey!

One of the most awful things about Israel's sly Hasbara campaign is how they faked those videos of innocent Gazan civilians parading Shani Louk's broken corpse around the streets to spit on, and dressed up as innocent Gazan civilians to swarm across the border on 7 Oct to have some fun. As well as faking Hamas's fouding ideology and modus operandi (of course they don't use hospitals, silly!). And all to justify their cynical land grab exercise! They really can't be trusted! It's just as well the more intelligent and discerning MN commentators can see right through their lies.

Martymcfly24 · 12/07/2025 10:51

Lolapusht · 12/07/2025 10:39

Usually goes hand-in-hand with a warning against conflating anti-semitism with anti-Zionism. It’s like they think if they’ve said “Of course I condemn what Hamas did, but…” and chucked in a “You’re conflating disagreeing with what Israel does and anti-Semitism! Anti-Zionism isn’t anti-Semitic” they then get a pass to say whatever they want because they’ve already shown their activist “activist” credentials so they can’t possibly be doing and ism as they’re the good guys.

What?

ForgeOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 11:02

Based on my own observations—and yes, a sweeping generalisation—I believe the pro-Israel movement broadly wants three things:

  1. The return of the hostages.
  1. An end to ongoing threats.
  1. A future where Gaza is free from Hamas and other terrorist factions, allowing true liberation and self-determination for Palestinians—provided that includes recognising the same right for Israelis.

By contrast, I rarely see the pro-Palestinian movement show consistent concern for Palestinian human rights. Almost none call for the removal of the actual dictators who oppress them daily. Instead, many deny the Jewish right to self-determination altogether, hold Israel to a standard no other state is held to, and exaggerate Israeli wrongdoing in a way that strongly echoes classic antisemitic tropes—depicting Jews as uniquely malevolent or undeserving of basic rights.

I struggle to understand how terms are twisted so far that when applied to Israel, they become unrecognisable from their dictionary meanings. I can’t comprehend how people argue that Palestinians have an exclusive right to return to the exact plot their relatives lived on 80 years ago—a right applied to no other refugee population, least of all the 850,000 Jews ethnically cleansed from Arab countries who were never offered peaceful return, equality in a single one of those countries or reparations.

I don’t understand how so many in this movement feel overwhelming sympathy for Arabs displaced in war, yet express none at all for the Jews who were displaced by Arab regimes—through documented policies of violence, seizure of property, and forced expulsion. Nor do I understand how blame is almost entirely placed on the one side that has repeatedly offered compromise, while the other side proudly declares that it wants everything and will accept nothing short of total “return.”

It’s bewildering how this has become a global obsession for some—and when Jews are assaulted, threatened, or murdered in its wake, the blame is flipped onto the victims. How can a logical conversation be had with people who accuse Israel of genocide but won’t even acknowledge that Hamas openly calls for one? Who speak endlessly of human rights, yet seem to mean only freedom of movement or control of airspace—while ignoring Palestinians’ total lack of press freedom, voting rights, or freedom of assembly under Hamas as well as basically every other right that exists.

They tear down posters of kidnapped civilians and still claim moral high ground. I have honestly struggled with how completely crazy it is, but I'm certain while many people have genuine sympathy for anyone killed, injured or suffering that it's absolutely nuts to not assign any of the blame for that to the people who started the war, refuse to surrender, will not give the hostages back and have made it crystal clear they operate on a "more the merrier" policy when their own citizens die.

In that context, it’s hard not to defend Israel—when the double standards are this glaring, and the animus this targeted. No, it’s not because Israel is uniquely wicked and therefore deserves it. This pattern of behaviour—demonising Jews and rationalising the hatred—goes back well before the modern state of Israel. In fact, it goes back before Christ. It's been revolting to watch.

SharonEllis · 12/07/2025 11:14

ForgeOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 11:02

Based on my own observations—and yes, a sweeping generalisation—I believe the pro-Israel movement broadly wants three things:

  1. The return of the hostages.
  1. An end to ongoing threats.
  1. A future where Gaza is free from Hamas and other terrorist factions, allowing true liberation and self-determination for Palestinians—provided that includes recognising the same right for Israelis.

By contrast, I rarely see the pro-Palestinian movement show consistent concern for Palestinian human rights. Almost none call for the removal of the actual dictators who oppress them daily. Instead, many deny the Jewish right to self-determination altogether, hold Israel to a standard no other state is held to, and exaggerate Israeli wrongdoing in a way that strongly echoes classic antisemitic tropes—depicting Jews as uniquely malevolent or undeserving of basic rights.

I struggle to understand how terms are twisted so far that when applied to Israel, they become unrecognisable from their dictionary meanings. I can’t comprehend how people argue that Palestinians have an exclusive right to return to the exact plot their relatives lived on 80 years ago—a right applied to no other refugee population, least of all the 850,000 Jews ethnically cleansed from Arab countries who were never offered peaceful return, equality in a single one of those countries or reparations.

I don’t understand how so many in this movement feel overwhelming sympathy for Arabs displaced in war, yet express none at all for the Jews who were displaced by Arab regimes—through documented policies of violence, seizure of property, and forced expulsion. Nor do I understand how blame is almost entirely placed on the one side that has repeatedly offered compromise, while the other side proudly declares that it wants everything and will accept nothing short of total “return.”

It’s bewildering how this has become a global obsession for some—and when Jews are assaulted, threatened, or murdered in its wake, the blame is flipped onto the victims. How can a logical conversation be had with people who accuse Israel of genocide but won’t even acknowledge that Hamas openly calls for one? Who speak endlessly of human rights, yet seem to mean only freedom of movement or control of airspace—while ignoring Palestinians’ total lack of press freedom, voting rights, or freedom of assembly under Hamas as well as basically every other right that exists.

They tear down posters of kidnapped civilians and still claim moral high ground. I have honestly struggled with how completely crazy it is, but I'm certain while many people have genuine sympathy for anyone killed, injured or suffering that it's absolutely nuts to not assign any of the blame for that to the people who started the war, refuse to surrender, will not give the hostages back and have made it crystal clear they operate on a "more the merrier" policy when their own citizens die.

In that context, it’s hard not to defend Israel—when the double standards are this glaring, and the animus this targeted. No, it’s not because Israel is uniquely wicked and therefore deserves it. This pattern of behaviour—demonising Jews and rationalising the hatred—goes back well before the modern state of Israel. In fact, it goes back before Christ. It's been revolting to watch.

Nail on head.

Beachtastic · 12/07/2025 11:35

ForgeOfEmpires · 12/07/2025 11:02

Based on my own observations—and yes, a sweeping generalisation—I believe the pro-Israel movement broadly wants three things:

  1. The return of the hostages.
  1. An end to ongoing threats.
  1. A future where Gaza is free from Hamas and other terrorist factions, allowing true liberation and self-determination for Palestinians—provided that includes recognising the same right for Israelis.

By contrast, I rarely see the pro-Palestinian movement show consistent concern for Palestinian human rights. Almost none call for the removal of the actual dictators who oppress them daily. Instead, many deny the Jewish right to self-determination altogether, hold Israel to a standard no other state is held to, and exaggerate Israeli wrongdoing in a way that strongly echoes classic antisemitic tropes—depicting Jews as uniquely malevolent or undeserving of basic rights.

I struggle to understand how terms are twisted so far that when applied to Israel, they become unrecognisable from their dictionary meanings. I can’t comprehend how people argue that Palestinians have an exclusive right to return to the exact plot their relatives lived on 80 years ago—a right applied to no other refugee population, least of all the 850,000 Jews ethnically cleansed from Arab countries who were never offered peaceful return, equality in a single one of those countries or reparations.

I don’t understand how so many in this movement feel overwhelming sympathy for Arabs displaced in war, yet express none at all for the Jews who were displaced by Arab regimes—through documented policies of violence, seizure of property, and forced expulsion. Nor do I understand how blame is almost entirely placed on the one side that has repeatedly offered compromise, while the other side proudly declares that it wants everything and will accept nothing short of total “return.”

It’s bewildering how this has become a global obsession for some—and when Jews are assaulted, threatened, or murdered in its wake, the blame is flipped onto the victims. How can a logical conversation be had with people who accuse Israel of genocide but won’t even acknowledge that Hamas openly calls for one? Who speak endlessly of human rights, yet seem to mean only freedom of movement or control of airspace—while ignoring Palestinians’ total lack of press freedom, voting rights, or freedom of assembly under Hamas as well as basically every other right that exists.

They tear down posters of kidnapped civilians and still claim moral high ground. I have honestly struggled with how completely crazy it is, but I'm certain while many people have genuine sympathy for anyone killed, injured or suffering that it's absolutely nuts to not assign any of the blame for that to the people who started the war, refuse to surrender, will not give the hostages back and have made it crystal clear they operate on a "more the merrier" policy when their own citizens die.

In that context, it’s hard not to defend Israel—when the double standards are this glaring, and the animus this targeted. No, it’s not because Israel is uniquely wicked and therefore deserves it. This pattern of behaviour—demonising Jews and rationalising the hatred—goes back well before the modern state of Israel. In fact, it goes back before Christ. It's been revolting to watch.

Thank you for summarising it all so succinctly.

Beachtastic · 12/07/2025 11:38

I am sorry to say that I think Hamas have an easy target with MN for their propaganda. Picture of dead and dying babies are deeply distressing and easier to relate to than strategic analysis. If Israel stooped so low, they could probably turn the tide on social media with graphic videos of the atrocities they have endured and the visible enjoyment of the perpetrators.

SisforSusanna · 12/07/2025 11:39

Twiglets1 · 12/07/2025 09:12

@Odras no it is not my opinion that Palestinian civilians had this coming and I do care about innocent Palestinians caught up in this hell.

My personal view is that Hamas had it coming and I'm pleased that the IDF are doing what they can to destroy their capabilities in Gaza (and what they did in Iran).

However, I have very little sympathy for Hamas supporters in Gaza or elsewhere. For those that celebrated October 7th with cheering and celebrations, yes in my heart I think they had it coming.

I don’t think anyone on this thread are shedding tears for Hamas fighters. I’d love for Israel to put an end to Hamas, but that’s not what they are doing. This is mass murder of civilians taking place under the cover that they are dealing with a Hamas. In fact, I am quite sure it will just create more hatred and terrorists in palestine and the cycle continues .

Martymcfly24 · 12/07/2025 12:22

Beachtastic · 12/07/2025 11:38

I am sorry to say that I think Hamas have an easy target with MN for their propaganda. Picture of dead and dying babies are deeply distressing and easier to relate to than strategic analysis. If Israel stooped so low, they could probably turn the tide on social media with graphic videos of the atrocities they have endured and the visible enjoyment of the perpetrators.

I know how could a site with a huge amount of mothers be taken in by those pictures of dead babies.

Imagine being so easily influenced by images of mothers keening over tiny white shrouds that you would want it to stop.
Ridiculous
People are so gullible.

Beachtastic · 12/07/2025 12:38

Martymcfly24 · 12/07/2025 12:22

I know how could a site with a huge amount of mothers be taken in by those pictures of dead babies.

Imagine being so easily influenced by images of mothers keening over tiny white shrouds that you would want it to stop.
Ridiculous
People are so gullible.

Israel has not used social media to publicise its suffering in quite the same way, respecting the privacy and dignity of its civilians. Had they done so, maybe this wouldn't seem like such a black-and-white conflict to you. They also face terrifying threats that they want to stop, rather urgently, but it is not an easy task.

Lolapusht · 12/07/2025 12:54

SisforSusanna · 12/07/2025 11:39

I don’t think anyone on this thread are shedding tears for Hamas fighters. I’d love for Israel to put an end to Hamas, but that’s not what they are doing. This is mass murder of civilians taking place under the cover that they are dealing with a Hamas. In fact, I am quite sure it will just create more hatred and terrorists in palestine and the cycle continues .

And why is it Israel’s responsibility to curate the thoughts and feelings of Gazans?

Do we expect Pakistan to worry about Indian’s views of them or is this just another example of Israel being held to a higher standard?

Why doesn’t the international community, or more aptly, neighbouring Arab countries take on the responsibility of deradicalising Gaza and let Israel deal with their own problems?

Of course there’s going to be more hatred for Israel after this war, but “we” are not more accepting of increased Israeli hatred towards Gazans. Israel is expected to take a beating and then turn round and apologise to their attacker for provoking them.

Martymcfly24 · 12/07/2025 13:24

Beachtastic · 12/07/2025 12:38

Israel has not used social media to publicise its suffering in quite the same way, respecting the privacy and dignity of its civilians. Had they done so, maybe this wouldn't seem like such a black-and-white conflict to you. They also face terrifying threats that they want to stop, rather urgently, but it is not an easy task.

So you are criticising Palestinians for posting pictures of the dead and dying trying to plea with the world for help because it's not like there are independent journalists to tell their story.

If my child was wrapped in that shroud I would want their story heard by every US politician who sends money for arms and writes shitty comments on bombs .Their privacy and dignity is long gone when they are dying on the street or in a tent.

Palestinians have so little control over their own lives getting their story out is not something I would criticize them for.

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