Eurovision - was the jury vote impacted by politics?

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So Israel massively won the public vote but with relatively few jury votes.....strange.

Was the jury possibly trying to prevent Israel beating Austria as an Israel won would maybe have got the Eurovsion organisers in a tight spot?

Brilliant song and it shows the general public aren't automatons swayed by politics when it comes to music and acknowledging a brilliant human back story.

She not “making stuff up” off her own bat. This is all stuff that the Israeli government say.

It sounds completely bonkers now but people still believe it I guess.

I’m sure there is a really good reason that so many healthcare workers and aid workers have been killed too.

Some of the batshit comments on here are still tame compared to the total psycho statements by some members of the Israeli government.

Yes you are totally right.

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Gosh do you remember when the ceasefire was announced back it January this year, social media was set alight with Palestinian activists claiming that the Palestinians had won the war! Israel was defeated! Long live Hamas! Hamas are true warriors. There was one journalist (BayanPalestine) that even posted “Next on the list: the day Israel ceases to exist.” https://x.com/BayanPalestine/status/1879586510745539009

Then there were scenes of Palestinians in Gaza shouting that they are the soldiers of Deif (the mastermind of 10/7) while praising Hamas’ military brigades. And then videos of regular Palestinians boasting that 10/7 will happen over and over.

But so strange, no talk of rebuilding, no talk of coexistence, no talk of maybe a new non-Hamas government. And zero talk of no more war.

Weirdly in this universe, the dubious claims of “genocide” exist alongside boasts of “victory”. To hear the victim of any true genocide emerge in the aftermath and shout "we won" and yearn for more war is truly unprecedented and quite telling.

Seeing the Jews suffer is worth any amount of sacrifice, it would appear. It's why some Palestinians will boast of victory while at the same time speaking of genocide (as if none of us will notice the blatant contradiction).

The Palestinian narrative from the beginning has consisted of two polar opposite contentions - we are the ultimate victims and we are also winning!! Unlucky for them though, some of us can actually see it for what it is.

And the saddest part? The fact that this war has claimed tens of thousands of Palestinian lives (many innocent, a fair few not innocent at all) it’s sad to see that calls for destroying Israel really rise to the surface, and that calls for rebuilding and peace and an end to permanent bloodshed remain few and far in between, and are arguably not visible at all.

What a pointless tragedy that a state of “resistance” constantly trying to eradicate Israel is preferable, in their view, to a state that is living in peace next to a sovereign Jewish state.

Oh really? This is an Instagram post which shows the famous Mr FAFO (he who has repeatedly risen from the dead and has been photographed/videoed in various poses such as a medic, journalist, hospital patient and even a dead body) and other Palestinians changing ‘costume’ from press vests to other garb.

Mr FAFO is well recognised by many who have followed his acting career from being a celebratory Gazan citizen thanking Allah for Oct 7th onwards.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFBVp5bvuzW/?igsh=ZXVkYm9tdnBndW84

A lot in that Wikipedia list are from Al Aqsa TV which is Hamas run, a lot not affiliated or freelance. No evidence of any journalistic credentials either and it is not a ‘verified’ list. Anyone can add to a Wiki page.

I don’t doubt some members of the press innocently going about their jobs were killed in a war. Sadly it is a risky occupation.

Yes really. Reporters without Borders and the IFJ also disagree. Of course Israel will smear and tarnish them to discredit them, that’s what it has done all along to any critics.

https://www.ifj.org/war-in-gaza
https://rsf.org/en/gaza-ceasefire-rsf-calls-open-borders-journalists-and-end-impunity-israel-s-war-crimes

I’m not sure if anyone is swallowing the “they’re all Hamas” type arguments at this point. If you care about Isreal, you’d be asking why this government are risking so much internationally now, and internally.

Maybe Eurovision gave the silent majority a bit of a say? You know some of us have fees but don't go marching on streets; in fact quite a lot of us. Even those not particularly interested in the conflict have a massive sympathy of the survivor of a terrorist attack especially with such personal courage.

I think Israel's vote did not fit a narrative some of the larger broadcasters maybe wanted to give as if not being a supporter of the 'Palestinian cause' is something to be derided by media elites (looking at you Gary). Eurovision isn't media driven to an extent but is guided by public opinion.

I hope this isn't the last Eurovision as I think there are now moves to disband it because of the 'risks' of Israel doing well again unfortunately despite its massive popularity.

Moves to disband the Eurovision? Where did you read this?

Maybe you have mixed it up with the complaints about the televoting rules or the moves the Israeli government are making to privatise Kan?

www.timesofisrael.com/european-broadcasting-union-warns-privatizing-kan-could-undermine-israels-democracy/amp/

@WhatMothersDo22 allow me to explain: Russia are banned because they started an unprovoked war (much like Hamas).

Israel are not banned because they didn’t start the war.

So are you saying Israel faked that video to smear the Gazans who quite obviously took it themselves? What a load of nonsense!

There are some people whose hatred of Israel is so strong, which can only be due to inbred antisemitism, that they will refuse to see the truth even if it’s staring them right in the face, making themselves look like absolute fools in the process.

Still can’t spell Israel correctly then?

Inbred antisemitism. Good grief. All I can say is that I hope to be proved wrong and to be the “fool” in all of this. And, no I was talking about Israel smearing NGOs. I tend not to watch the home made videos coming out of Gaza, they aren’t verified.

Yeah, just killing children as a hobby according to this Israeli minister.

Yair Golan, head of the opposition Democrats, issues a scathing denouncement of the government and the war in Gaza, saying that Israel was killing children in Gaza “as a hobby.

Some people however, will still try to maintain it is still all just self defence.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/golan-israel-becoming-a-pariah-state-is-killing-children-as-a-hobby/

Well he’s the opposition so he kind of wants his political rivals to look bad doesn’t he?

it’s not rocket science is it?

Do you think you prove something with that article?

Yes I do actually. So what if he is the opposition, he's not going to make such a serious claim just to make the opposition look bad. Unless I suppose he's also an anti-semite.

He's also had to apologise to the families of serving and deceased soldiers.

It wasn't just a couple sadly, I was at one of the semi final shows and there were around 5 or 6 flags being waved in the seated area by masked spectators and a lot of whistles being blown all the way through her performance, and with booing so we could barely hear her.

My friend went to the evening semi final and it was the same. A guy got on to the shoulders of someone and held a flag infront of her on stage.

During the Sunday opening parade there were a bunch of protestors waiting on the bridge with flags as the trams passed. One made visible "beheading" gestures to her, and was arrested by the police. https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/various/basel-authorities-clarify-threatening-gestures-against-israel-at-the-esc/89304888

On the evening of the final there was a large illegal protest in the centre of thr city, disrupting a few of the organised free viewing events and stopping public transport for a while as the police dealt with it.

To quote an oft used phrase, the ‘war’ didn’t begin on October 7 though did it? It’s decades of conflict and oppression (predominantly meted out by Israel) that we’re talking about.

PM of Spain sums it up perfectly. Break international law and commit human rights violations, regardless of whether you think you’re in the right or not, you should not be allowed to compete.

You don’t have tens of thousands of people protesting about the genocide a state is accused of committing the day after Eurovision, if it was the right decision to let them in.

When it comes to Russia v Israel, the West has a massive double standard that Ukrainians themselves have pointed out.

It only takes a few people to stir up a mob, anonymously masked or on the internet. Those lovely people making throat cutting gestures at a young women who played dead under the bodies of people shot and blown apart by grenades in order to survive. Her narrative and thousands of others are drowned out and mocked by people who claim the right side of history, but whose playbook is straight from the far left. (And anyone who's survived those regimes will recognise it)

Israel created an iron dome and bomb shelters so they could live with the rocket fire from the houthis, hamas & hezbollah. Hamas built tunnels and bought weapons with aid money from the west, stole the food aid given by the west, and puts civilians in harms way to martyr them, then celebrates their martyrdom and pays blood money to their families. Martyrdom as a business model.

At the beginning of this war, open source journalists showed that images from the Syrian war were being used and claimed as Gaza, (remember Syria? Still bloodshed but it's internicene, no Jews, no news) hamas have the death and destruction they need for their narrative now.

They know they've lost their power in Gaza, now they're trying to make a deal and scamper off into hiding with their families as sinwar did after he unleashed hell on 7/10.

This current war leading to what - 52,000 Palestinian deaths is as a direct result of October 7th and the Hamas massacre of 1,200 Israeli civilians.

Here's the Spotify streaming figures which give us a good indication of the organic popularity of the songs - undoubtedly the Israeli goverments avowed policy of getting the vote out was successfull - all the relevant embassies joined in the message - there was a whole pinned megathread on r/Israel on Redditt and no doubt other areas campaigning for mutiple voting. That said its a stupid competition well past it's sell by date. With blocs and campaigns to skew the vote virtually every year - hence our frequent nul points.

No @Twiglets1
Israel aren’t banned because Eurovision is heavily funded by Israel and Morrocan oil.

The world does not support them invading Gaza and committing genocide, that’s everywhere in the news so clearly not enough to get them out of Eurovision.
The Eurovision Song Contest just need their money…..that’s it

Thanks for that.
Another bit of proof that we need to stop the public vote and maybe re think why some countries are allowed to take part

That’s just your opinion that Israel isn’t banned for monetary reasons. Which you’re entitled to but it isn’t a fact.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14729377/Major-broadcasters-accuse-Eurovision-vote-rigging-Israels-controversial-performance-came-second.html