Eurovision - was the jury vote impacted by politics?

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So Israel massively won the public vote but with relatively few jury votes.....strange.

Was the jury possibly trying to prevent Israel beating Austria as an Israel won would maybe have got the Eurovsion organisers in a tight spot?

Brilliant song and it shows the general public aren't automatons swayed by politics when it comes to music and acknowledging a brilliant human back story.

There's all kinds of everything going on at ESC.
Everybody was making their minds up whether to feel empathy for the Israel artist or hostility for what Israel is doing to Gaza.
In my eyes it's always been a political contest. Nothing happens in isolation, if you believe it does that's simply a European fairytale.
Malta vote for the UK due to World War 2 or Turkey don't vote for Greece and vice versa due to the Cyprus issue.

I wanna enjoy it as international artists coming together to sing a song. We don't know anyone's ideology. We just know the UK is hugely unlikely to win.

Do we go through the same stuff with people trying to stop Israel competing next year? When does that end?

I can see a complete repeat next year.

Well I think the Moroccan Oil contract is up.for renewal this year so depends how that goes.

It’s certainly not rocket science. Maybe those who voted for Israel liked the song, the meaning and the amazing voice of the singer.

Have you even listened to the song?

She only became a professional singer in 2023 and shortly afterwards suffered the horrific trauma of experiencing a terrifying terrorist attack at a music festival at age 22, having to hide under the dead bodies of other young people, who had just been enjoying themselves with her, for hours and very likely suffers from PTSD, but she still got on stage at another music festival just a year and half later and performed extremely well knowing that there were protests against her participation making her security a massive risk, booing from the crowds, and people even tried to storm the stage obviously to try to do something to her!

None of the other participants went through that. She is amazing IMO.

Do think she’s a disgrace to humanity because she represented her country, who were invaded and attacked in one of the worst terrorist attacks on record (which she was also involved in) for participating?

If she was from any other country in the same circumstances, the reaction on here would be very different and the consensus would be that she thoroughly deserved her win.

Palestinians sadly chose their cause of trying to destroy Israel and kill Jews over having their own country (and potentially being able to enter the Eurovision but would they want to?) and are in a war that was deliberately started by their leaders, with the full support of a majority of adults who voted them in and still support them, knowing the consequences to their own people.

Thats not rocket science either.

AIBUhere

Exactly.

There has also been a concerted effort from the BBC to avoid mentioning the back story which is incredibly moving which I found odd. There seem to be few consipracy theories in this thread about the voting as well.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp92zjejzvyo

Backstory.

I just can't fathom how anyone who is siding with those people booing her, abusing her and even trying to storm the stage to attack her can possibly think that they're the good guys?!

I didn't watch it but the Jury is absolutely always political. Germany votes for Türkiye, Türkiye votes for Germany etc. One of the many reasons I stopped watching.

Sure on here the ones who are starving children , murdering babies and torturing doctors are the good guys so it's a funny old world.

Palestinians sadly chose their cause of trying to destroy Israel and kill Jews over having their own country (and potentially being able to enter the Eurovision but would they want to?) and are in a war that was deliberately started by their leaders, with the full support of a majority of adults who voted them in and still support them, knowing the consequences to their own people.

Did they? How come Israelis get to 'choose their cause of trying to destroy Palestine' and starve, rape and murder and still get to have their own country and enter the little singing competition? Palestinians have to earn the right to self determination apparently but no one else does. Israel can rape, murder, steal, commit pogroms, elect genocidal leaders, openly talk of committing ethnic cleansing and commit war crime after war crime and no one is taking away their right to self determination. I wonder why that is? I'm sure when the 'consequences' of Israels actions smack them in the face in future you will be shrugging just as hard.

Well, you have the 'actual facts' and then you have the 'hamas propaganda that is completely unverified and certainly at least exaggerated, if not entirely false '. An actual fact is that a young woman who had to lie still for several hours under corpses, surrounded by the screams of people being raped and murdered, is booed and threatened, and even experiences a man launching himself violently at her. And that's who you are aligning yourself with. So forgive me if I don't show much interest in your thoughts on good guys and bad guys.

Keep drinking the Kool Aid hun.

Israel didn’t choose to destroy Gaza (what is Palestine btw?), Hamas chose to dig all those damn tunnels and underground bunkers though. Stupid is as stupid does.

Palestinians didn’t have to ‘earn anything’? Where did you get that from? They had the same opportunities as Israel did.

HTHs.

Can you explain which part of my post was untrue and propaganda and I'll retract it.

Ah right, you are one of those who defaults to insulting people, there's been a lot of that going around from pro Israel posters on this board lately so you are in good company.

Whatever. Likewise getting sick of people who don’t support demonic terrorists being labelled as a ‘disgrace to humanity’.

Rather tiresome and childish.

Great post. I thought she did an amazing performance, I voted for her!

Myklegishangingoff- Palestinians had the same opportunities as Israel did back in 1948 and on numerous occasions since then. They've always rejected a 2 state solution and instead concentrated all their efforts on terrorism and killing Jews. They took could have had a thriving economy like Israel has if they hated a bit less.

It seems like you just misunderstood my post then. I never said that people who don't support demonic terrorists are a disgrace to humanity. I'm sure you'll be quick to apologise for jumping to even more insults after you re read my post.

Good luck with that, I'm still waiting to find out which part of my post was a lie so I can retract it.

Have you ever considered the radical concept that there are loads of people who don’t support Hamas AND think Isreal’s actions are against the whole Palestinian population are a disgrace to humanity?

@AIBUHere I do not think she is a disgrace to humanity. She has done nothing wrong. She is a victim of terrorism, a civilian and an artist. But I wouldn’t vote for Isreal, even in an inconsequential song competition because I don’t support their actions as a country.

This from another thread.
It seems 20 times wasn’t enough for some

So Israel massively won the public vote but with relatively few jury votes.....strange

It was blatantly the other way round. The song wasn't great, no surprise it didn't attract the jury panels. On the other hand, there was clearly political voting going on - I personally saw people on social media encouraging others to vote Israel to 'own the libs'. Because there were so many choices to vote for, that kind of concentrated effort would have boosted israel, while the other votes were distributed between all the other options.

Exactly
The same as last year

I think the only way to stop this cheating is to stop the public vote.
Its a great shame of course but things could go on like this a very long time as people continue with this as some way of trying to prove the world supports the war and the Israeli Governments actions.

Tbh, it's really helpful people have been so blatant in posting that online as it gives Eurovision more to work with to change the way public voting operates next year.

I agree and I hope they have been on the ball in watching out for this cheating and pressuring of peoples choice

Maybe anyone who sees it should take a screen shot and forward it on to Eurovision !

it shows the general public aren't automatons swayed by politics

The irony.

There were numerous posts on here from people saying "hate Eurovision, haven't heard the song, but I'm going to vote 20 times for Israel".

That sounds like automatons swayed by politics to me.