This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 6)

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/08/idf-has-long-history-of-denying-involvement-in-civilian-killings

The utterly heartbreaking thing about starting these threads is how simple it is to find the opening link.

When will they stop?

I'm saying the 2 year old child was a civillian and your claim of 'after all they weren't killing civillians before Oct 7' is wrong, false. The words that you said, not the words I put into your mouth as you claimed are wrong. That toddler was a civillian and they killed her.

You are now claiming that they accidently killed 10s of children in 2023 prior to Oct 7? Even if that were the truth do you think that accidently killing 10s of children in a 'ceasefire' should be supported? 38 parents without their children, more than one child 'accidently' killed each week before Sept 18 2023 and you are defending this? If that many children were killed in car crashes people would be asking questions but killed from IDF fire whoops an accident. How many Israeli children do you think the IDF managed to 'accidently' kill in 2023 in the months leading up to Oct 7?

I couldn’t find a full report of the incident in Times of Israel only a mention of it. It appears from a full report in Al Jazeera that the man was used as a human shield which I 100% condemn - though both sides of the war do use this tactic unfortunately.

The man & his wife shouldn’t have even been in the area as the IDF had given notice of evacuation. They were sent on their way after using him as a human shield & were subsequently shot while walking away from the first group of soldiers & towards other IDF soldiers. The first group had failed to inform the second group that they were harmless civilians. So they were shot because they were a perceived threat, being in an area that they should have evacuated fron earlier.

The deaths would be categorised by the IDF as a mistake. Though I agree it is horrific and should never have happened.

The organization carried out an investigation into four Israeli strikes, three in December 2023, after the humanitarian pause ended, and one in January 2024, that killed at least 95 civilians, including 42 children, in Rafah, Gaza’s southernmost governorate at a time when it was supposedly the “safest” area in the strip.

In all four attacks, the organization did not find any indication that the residential buildings hit could be considered legitimate military objectives or that people in the buildings were military targets, raising concerns that these strikes were direct attacks on civilians and civilian objects and must therefore be investigated as war crimes.

Amnesty International visited the site of the strike on two occasions and reviewed the list of those killed and wounded in the attack. The organization did not find any evidence that there were any military objectives in the area or that any of those present in the buildings at the time of the attack were legitimate military targets.

Among those killed in these unlawful attacks were a baby girl who had not yet turned three weeks.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-opt-new-evidence-of-unlawful-israeli-attacks-in-gaza-causing-mass-civilian-casualties-amid-real-risk-of-genocide/

'We will destroy everything' including a 3 week old baby girl apparently.

Where is your source for the 2 year old ( obviously a civilian). I have not heard this before so if you’re telling me something, please provide a reputable source so I can read it for myself.

Tbh I find it crazy that you are even commenting things like Israel weren't killing civillians before Oct 7 when you clearly have no idea about what has been happening? Save the children, human rights watch, Amnesty, they were all talking about the increase in child killings by Israel prior to Oct 7. The rise of Israeli settler terrorism in the West Bank was in the news. The pogroms against Palestinians by settlers armed by Israel mid 2023 was in the news. A story from 2022 by Human Rights Watch about a child killing. Poor lad standing waiting for the violence to end only to be killed anyway. If you know anything about guns you would know that it's actually quite difficult to aim correctly and shoot someone. The idea that this boy was killed with a single shot 'accidentally' is farcical.

Human Rights Watch investigated the case of Mahmoud al-Sadi, 17, killed by Israeli forces as he walked to school near the Jenin refugee camp on November 21, 2022. The Israeli military did not address his killing specifically but said its forces had been conducting arrest raids in the camp, during which they exchanged fire with Palestinian fighters. However, the nearest exchange of fire occurred at one of the alleged fighter’s homes, about 320 meters away from where Mahmoud was shot, based on residents’ statements.

Mahmoud stood by the side of a road, waiting for the sounds of shooting in the distance to stop, and was not holding any weapon or projectile, a witness said and a security-camera video that Human Rights Watch reviewed showed. After the distant shooting had stopped and the Israeli forces were withdrawing, a single shot fired from an Israeli military vehicle roughly 100 meters away struck Mahmoud, the witness said. No Palestinian fighters were in the area, the witness said. Mahmoud was killed a block away from the street where Israeli forces killed the journalist Shireen Abu Aqla on May 11, 2022.

The killing of the two year is mentioned in a report by Save the children where they expressing concern about the level of child killings by Israel for the second year in a row.

I cannot find the Save the children report you mention @Mylegishangingoff about the killing of a 2 year old so perhaps you could provide a link to it?

I did find this report by Save the Children 2022 becomes the deadliest year for Palestinian children in the West Bank in over 15 years.
The report said, So far, 34 Palestinian children in the West Bank have lost their lives in 2022, in what has become the deadliest year for children in more than 15 years. One Israeli child was reportedly also killed in an attack just yesterday morning. Once again, children are paying the heaviest price for a conflict they have no control over.

In 2023, 36 Israeli children were killed in the Hamas massacre but I don't see you expressing any sympathy for them. However, based on the Save the Children report I retract my earlier statement that the IDF weren't killing civilians before October 7th.

www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/2022/2022-becomes-the-deadliest-year-for-palestinian-children-in-the-west-bank-

Five of the Palestinian children killed this year were under 12 years old, and three were under eight. The youngest was just two years old.

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/2023-marks-deadliest-year-record-children-occupied-west-bank

You've ignored the post about poor Mahmoud ál-Sadi murdered while minding his own business. Ignored amnestys report on atrocities in Gaza. I'm glad you have accepted that you were spreading false information though. That's the only reason I started posting this morning because it disgusts me when people erase the deaths of Palestinians and rewrite history to suit their false narrative. I actually don't want to get into anything with you because it is a waste of time but couldn't leave that false information there for others to believe.

Equally, you’ve ignored the post I made about the 36 Israeli children murdered by Hamas in 2023, others were taken hostage of course.

You are unnecessary antagonist for someone who “doesn’t want to get into anything” but I’m happy to leave the conversation there.

Thank you for looking into it further and I appreciate your condemnation of the incident.

I agree with you the area had been evacuated by the IDF and he was seen as a threat however this man was walking using a cane and as we know there can be very short evacuation warnings (15 mins in the case of the hospital attack the other night) and therefore a speedy evacuation would never have been possibly his age.

I genuinely don't see how it's antagonist to correct blatent misinformation.

I do believe that the goal of the IDF is to destroy Hamas not Palestinian civilians. After all they weren’t killing civilians before October 7th so it is not like it is their stated or actual intention to kill Palestinians.

They were killing civillians before Oct 7, lots of civillians. They stated their aim really clearly 'We will destroy everything'. Your post was designed to obscure the truth and it's really important not to do that.

I ignored your mention of 'you didn't show sympathy for the Israeli children killed on Oct 7' because I didnt see the relevance it had to you spreading false information about what happened prior to Oct 7 and Israels stated aim. It seemed to me like you were trying to distract. My posts that you ignored were on the topic of Israel killing civillians without cause something you denied or murder as it is commonly know.

Remember you "actually don't want to get into anything with you because it is a waste of time" - follow your heart & let it go, love.

This simply isn’t true. Prior to 7 October gazans had no idf or other Israelis in their midst. Sadly Hamas (their elected government) used this period and the billions upon billions of aid to plan terrorism and violence against their neighbors as well as enrich themselves (the top Hamas figures are actually billionaires). It’s horrifying that anyone supports this.

can you imagine having a situation like that on your border? It’s terrifying to see the lack of humanity from terrorists and their supporters

Thanks for the advice. I just wanted to reiterate for any silent readers that Israel do in fact have a stated aim to 'destroy everything', one which they are clearly carrying out for example the destruction of 36 hospitals and as we have established there is no evidence to support the need for their destruction. They have also been killing innocent Palestinians for many years in very questionable circumstances. What is happening in Gaza is nothing new it is simply an escalation of their violence buoyed on by their proud supporters.

You'll have to expand on what isn't true there User46576 because my post is true as I have shown.

.... and 7/10 was an escalation of hamas 'resistance' buoyed on by it's proud supporters.

That’s not true. Israel’s aim is to destroy Hamas capability to hurt their people. Rightly so.

It certainly was an awful escalation yes. I don't think anyone here would deny that thankfully.

You might want tell their defence minister that. His words were clear.

Oh , is he on Mumsnet too?

I suspect this is something you’ve read on antisemitic media so I’m not going to engage further.

the Israeli government has been clear that their war aims are to rescue the hostages and stop Hamas capability to hurt their people. Rightly so.

You are being silly now quantum.

Thanks.

Thought you were implying he was a 'silent reader' , it's often hinted that any voices on here that don't condemn Israel are agents.

sigh - so you insist on carrying on despite saying that you don't want to.

What Israel actually vowed to do after October 7th massacre was to "crush and destroy Hamas" so that it no longer posed any threat, and to bring all the hostages home.

Perfectly reasonable under the circumstances, wouldn't you say?