Anti Israel Rhetoric is rife. Why?

[cindyhove]

As of April 5, 2025, numerous armed conflicts are ongoing worldwide, varying in scale and intensity. According to the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights, over 110 armed conflicts are currently being monitored, encompassing both international and non-international engagements.
why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts?
The answer is blindingly obvious

Of course there are churches there. What made you say that?

Oh knock it off OP. Why don’t you stop butchering in massive quantities, instead of doing it anyway then claiming to be a victim of antisemItism. What gaslighting. The whole world knows you’ve gone far enough, and way beyond.

This always seems to be the ace card - there’s far more protesting for the protection of Israel.

The fact is new is extremely anti-Israel including the BBC, I’ve already complained to them about their bias, and people miss the nuance and use deeply and historical antisemitic tropes in conversations about Israel, whilst refusing to acknowledge WHY they are at war and protecting their country. It affects Jewish people all over the world. I am not Jewish but I am an ally and I’m fucking sick of the thinly veiled antisemitism. Especially in defence of a country that is run by terrorists and hates women and gay people

@cindyhove , there are an awful lot of repugnant, filthy antisemites. Mumsnet is predominantly left leaning and always comes up with the same proportion of respondents against Isreal. I never get used to their venom. 😔

This. The world would be singing a different tune if a festival in any other country in the world had been invaded by raping, murdering terrorists. Imagine it was Glastonbury? coachella? The world would have been weeping and furious for months, and many would expect the strongest military action to be taken. The might be anti war protests as there often are, but there would also be an incredibly strong consensus that the innocent victims who were just festival goers or living quietly on a kibbutz (in some cases even peace activists working to help Gazans) were utterly betrayed and tragically, horribly butchered.

Instead, Hamas has successfully laundered their image and portrays themselves as rebels who have some kind of justification for their butchery. And the world will wink at the October massacre because it was Jews being slaughtered.

Great post. If you hear about mass rapes and murders and say “but yeah, why” like many did including on MN, you’re an evil a cunt. If it’s mass murders and rapes of Jewish women, you’re an antisemitic cunt

As anti semitism is very real. However there has been an attempt to shut down legitimate criticism of the actions of the Israeli government by calling this criticism anti semitism. And unfortunately far right parties are also jumping on this despite being racist themselves. It’s more about dividing people who would be allies really and it does no favours to your average Jewish person who is suffering in the very real uptick of antisemitism that is happening.

It must be terrifying to be Jewish. No political side to call home. The far left hate Jews but never say it out loud. The far right hate Jews and are open about it. And yet everyone claims they’re just “anti-Israel”. Funny how atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan, especially against women and girls (including legalising rape of children in the former) doesn’t attract people saying Islamophobia isn’t a thing or making demands of U.K. Muslims to renounce these countries. Funny that.

Yes!!! 🙌🏻

but if anyone dares to point out the tens of thousands of murdered civilians they’re accused on being anti semitic. The IDF have power to slaughter men, women and children and the public are shamed if they disagree with it by supporters of the genocide.

Oh yes...all true.

What a lot of the left wing types have started doing is using the word Zionist and thinking they're fooling us....we all know what they mean when they say Zionist.

The problem is that the “legitimate criticism” is all too often steeped in very antisemitic tropes - the very same tropes that have been used for millennia to exile, execute and eradicate Jewish people. The same tropes that were used in anti-Jewish and Nazi literature in the early 20th century ahead of the progroms and Holocaust. Such as “They’re just playing the victims. They’re the REAL bad guys here” whilst ignoring the threat against them. It’s the reason no one gave a fuck when Jewish people were removed from their homes and marched into ghettos in the 1930’s - they’d been bombarded with propoganda. It’s happening again through the medium of Israel. And pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel people need to at least acknowledge this rather than whining about being censored

Absolutely! And there’s NOTHING wrong with Zionism. It’s the concept of Jewish people having a homeland to call their own. I mean, Muslims have 50+ countries of their own. Christians even more. The fact the far left not only lose their shit when Jewish people want ONE, they appropriate a Jewish word and use it as a slur, shows their racism loud and clear.

@Odras has nailed it. This:

“As anti semitism is very real. However there has been an attempt to shut down legitimate criticism of the actions of the Israeli government by calling this criticism anti semitism. And unfortunately far right parties are also jumping on this despite being racist themselves. It’s more about dividing people who would be allies really and it does no favours to your average Jewish person who is suffering in the very real uptick of antisemitism that is happening.”

Anti-semitism is horrifying and real. It is not, however, anti-semitic to criticise actions led by Netanyahu any more than it is anti-Islamic to criticise Hamas. It has to be possible to express critical views of any government and any state. Without that, what happens to the checks and balances? Look at North Korea. Look at Russia. Look at Iran. Look at what happens when a government or state decides it is above criticism. It is a dangerous thing. Nowhere is perfect and it would be deeply troubling to live in a world where all criticism of governments/states is routinely shut down.

Also Israel is not the first, or even the most recent, to have people displaced due to immigration/giving of land. But it’s the only example that people lose their shit over en-masse. Ask yourself why. The Jewish people got Israel fair and square and frankly if I’d been tortured in a concentration camp for years,literally seen all my family die, then leave to find my home gone and that I was not welcome ANYWHERE in the world because rather than sympathy I was met with abject hate again, and that Holocaust 2.0 could happen any moment, I’d frankly grab the opportunity with both hands too.

The Jewish people and Israelis have turned Israel into a very liberal openly women and LGBT friendly democracy too. They didn’t waste it. Yet they’re the bad guys

I don’t have links with either side but think this whole situation is entirely Hamas’ fault.

The atrocities on the day they attacked the ordinary Jewish people were so shockingly inhuman, things that no people should ever, ever do to anyone else. Grabbing babies from dinner tables and murdering them in front of their parents, mass rape and murder of innocents, that kind of thing. They started all this and hide among the ordinary people of Gaza so are also risking Gazan lives (including those of children) for their selfish political ends.

There are no good guys here.

Who is the you being vilified in your post? Who do you think the OP is?

Are you holding them personally responsible for this conflict and if so, why?

Honestly OP your faux-question thread title is extremely inflammatory, and then to say that it's because of anti-semitism is hugely minimising the horror that we are seeing being committed. How many children's detached limbs have we seen? Children trapped under rubble? Babies in incubators dying? Starving children. The world should be incredibly anti-Israel. The government are ordering its army to mass murder and maim, purposely defy conventions and ratifications, without any care. They seem proud of it too.
Shame on you OP.

Why do you think all of that has happened? And what do you think would happen if Israel downed their arms?

YANBU OP, but YABU to post it here as we all know what this thread will become.
There is no genocide except the one that certain radical Islamist factions are trying to carry out on the only Jewish state. Those factions have played a long game of media manipulation over very many years, tapping into existing antisemitis so now people believe them because 24% if the world population is Muslim and people are bending over backwards to not piss them off because we know they'll kick off in violent ways.
It's far easier to incessantly focus on every move Israel makes. Even if Israel had never put a single foot wrong (which is a standard no country has ever reached) it would be the same. The Arabs didn't want Israel resurrected in that spot (excuse the mixed religious metaphor) because Islam cannot conceive that they will ever cede land they consider they have taken, and they have chosen that tiny strip of land as the hill they want to die on. Plus the grand Mufti of Jerusalem was in league with Hitler.

Nobody ever talks about the 900,000 Jews living in Arab lands who were expelled and had to flee to Israel where they were absorbed. Or the Jews living in North Africa who were rounded up and sent to concentration camps in Europe.

Yes the war has been horrendous and the horrendousness of it has largely been created by Hamas. At any point they could have handed the hostages back, but they did not. They have hundreds of miles of underground shelters they could have let their population use, but they did not. They could have abandoned their expressed desire to have one Muslim state from river to sea, but they did not. They could have not invaded Israel and raped, tortured and murdered hundreds of civilians, but they did.

I used to have a lot of sympathy for the Palestinian cause as they were caught as pawns in a situation that benefitted only the wider middle east but I have no sympathy left now. Empathy for human suffering, yes. But no sympathy for their cause. They have kille, both literally and metaphorically, the left wing in Israel who wanted to find peace.

I have many issues with Netanyahu and members of his government. I don't know if there was an alternative way to prosecute the war because I am not a military expert. However high level western military experts have been, and investigated what is happening and concluded everything is above board in the way it's being carried out. The end result may be horrendous, all war is horrendous, and things happen in war that should never happen. But it is not genocide.

By the way Hamas have already significantly revised down their death figures announced last week, for those who like to closely follow and repeat the figures announced by a homicidal terrorist organisation.

I follow various news sourced both UK, Israeli and other overseas sources and the level to which the UK news is biased is truly shocking. The antisemitism I have seen in society is truly shocking. No, it is not antisemitic to criticise Israel in the same way as any other country. But how many times have you heard anyone say that any other country created as a result of decolonisation after WW2 - also along sometimes difficult partitions and with a lot of upheaval - shouldn't exist because people don't like something they have done? The excessive focus on Israel to the exclusion of all other countries and struggles in the world, and the leap to say it should not exist, (which is basically because the Arab countries said they didn't want it to exist and have consistently kicked off since about it existing) IS antisemitic.

I see it very clearly now and I also see - and this is now a widespread view amongst Jews - that there is no future for Jews in Europe as the demographics of Europe are changing. At least we do now have another country to go to, and the last 18 months have proven how important it is that Israel does exist.

It really is. I wish there was a block feature here. There are some posters who again and again, bend themselves out of shape in support of Israel.

The mental gymnastics required to defend the slaughter of 15,000 babies and children makes me feel very unwell.

Anti semetic in modern terms means something totally different and assuming you have any education at all you’d know that

And the other 100 odd??

If this country was invaded and your fellow women were raped, and children murdered, how would you want our Government to react?

No it didn’t all start on October 7th - but it wasn’t started by Israel in the beginning.

It also threw into doubt the “poor defenceless Palestinians” narrative. October 7th required extreme and prolonged planning, infrastructure and intelligence to pull off. Hardly the poor little unequal victims that westerners naively swallow.

Do you realise the strong anti-Jewish hatred in neighbouring countries? If you were surrounded by nations that wanted you dead for merely existing how would you feel?