Page 6 | Anti Israel Rhetoric is rife. Why?

cindyhove · 2025-04-05T13:19:45+00:00

As of April 5, 2025, numerous armed conflicts are ongoing worldwide, varying in scale and intensity. According to the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights, over 110 armed conflicts are currently being monitored, encompassing both international and non-international engagements. why is israel the only one to be demonised out of the current 110 conflicts? The answer is blindingly obvious

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 17:59

KrisAkabusi · 05/04/2025 14:47

Because it's happening close to home. Because it is being televised. Because it is part of a long term conflict.

Also because there is enough evidence for credible accusations of war crimes to be investigated. Because there is enough credible evidence for war crimes for arrest warrants to be issued for heads of state.

Because there are Israeli soldiers happily posting on social media about the war crimes they have committed!

Because representatives of the Israeli government, in public and in parliament support war crimes and talk about theur intention to commit them.

Because tens of thousands of men,women and children gave been killed and injured in a relatively small period of time

You may argue that there are other conflicts, but this is on a different scale and is much more public.

And it's abhorrent.

You are right. It is a different scale. Actually much much smaller than most other conflicts

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:00

beezlebubnicky · 05/04/2025 14:56

I don't see that the state of Israel is the only power waging a war that's being condemned. There have been deaths on both sides but Israel is trying to obliterate Palestinians out of existence.

Israel is a settler colony that annexed land that didn't belong to it in the first place. They've commited war crimes and murdered countless Palestinian men, women and children. Not to mention the suffering of those left behind.

I don't hate Jewish people or their religion and there are many people in the Jewish diaspora who also condemn the actions of Israel. I understand why Israel exists, but the memory of the Holocaust should not be used to justify a new genocide of Arab people.

Read your history books. Israel didn’t annexe anything

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:02

VeraMyHero · 05/04/2025 15:01

Snipers aiming at small children.

Taking out children too young to run away fast, yet too old to be carried.

Does it bother you that these atrocities are being witnessed by the whole world op?
Were Israel hoping to annihilate all of the Palestinians and nobody would notice.

I don't understand how you can defend these actions.

Oh you mean when terrorists came and murdered raped and burnt to death party goers and babies?

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:03

Odras · 05/04/2025 15:16

You think that because of the actions of a terrorist group that Israel should be allowed to to kill innocent civilians with impunity??

It’s not just people in the UK thankfully. People all over the world are horrified.

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They are absolutely not killing with impunity. Find me one other army that gives notice before attacking

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:05

528htz · 05/04/2025 15:32

I think it's a bit crass to start threads complaining about others objecting to this indiscriminate killing of those in Gaza. Can't people just be happy that Israel is getting what it wants? It's clearing Gaza of its citizens. So quit complaining. What the rest of the world thinks doesn't matter if you are convinced you're right. So quit complaining. Everyone else can't do anything to help the Gazans and they need to learn that their deaths are for the greater good. So quit complaining. No need to rub salt into the wounds is there? It's just unnecessary.

Why am I complaining? I’m fed up of living in an anti semetic and Jewish world. We exist and always will. Get used to it!

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effie19 · 05/04/2025 18:06

cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:02

Oh you mean when terrorists came and murdered raped and burnt to death party goers and babies?

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That's not a justification

effie19 · 05/04/2025 18:10

No one says Hamas were "right" to do what they did because of X, Y and Z, but you say Israel were right to murder and continue to do so and here's why. You are one of the few people who sound anti-race yet you accuse everyone else of anti-semitism

singlewhitetrashheap · 05/04/2025 18:11

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kungfoofighting · 05/04/2025 18:14

Yeah because it’s fucking abhorrent what they are doing, and for strategic reasons, the UK government is supporting them. Pretty obvious, you’re spot on.

Comedycook · 05/04/2025 18:17

I've always said and will continue to do so, if this conflict were between two Islamic countries, the response in the UK would be totally different...

Twiglets1 · 05/04/2025 18:18

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Educate me then - why do you think Hamas started this war?

Wildflowers99 · 05/04/2025 18:19

I wonder what posters here would expect the UK to do if a terror group slaughtered 1000 Brits and took hundreds hostage? Why is it only Israelis that are expected to be diplomatic and non-reactionary?

everythingeverything1981 · 05/04/2025 18:21

Well they do seem pretty frigging evil.

everythingeverything1981 · 05/04/2025 18:22

Wildflowers99 · 05/04/2025 18:19

I wonder what posters here would expect the UK to do if a terror group slaughtered 1000 Brits and took hundreds hostage? Why is it only Israelis that are expected to be diplomatic and non-reactionary?

Not slaughter innocent people?

Swiftie1878 · 05/04/2025 18:22

cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:05

Why am I complaining? I’m fed up of living in an anti semetic and Jewish world. We exist and always will. Get used to it!

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Are you completely happy with the way Israel has responded to Hamas’s attack?

Mylegishangingoff · 05/04/2025 18:24

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 17:58

If this country was invaded and your fellow women were raped, and children murdered, how would you want our Government to react?

No it didn’t all start on October 7th - but it wasn’t started by Israel in the beginning.

It also threw into doubt the “poor defenceless Palestinians” narrative. October 7th required extreme and prolonged planning, infrastructure and intelligence to pull off. Hardly the poor little unequal victims that westerners naively swallow.

Do you realise the strong anti-Jewish hatred in neighbouring countries? If you were surrounded by nations that wanted you dead for merely existing how would you feel?

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Do you realise the strong anti-Jewish hatred in neighbouring countries? If you were surrounded by nations that wanted you dead for merely existing how would you feel?

Well I'm sure the rampant occupying they do of other nations doesnt help matters there. Let's not pretend Israel is sitting around merely existing while all of those other horrid countries hate on them. From the Nakba at its very creation where they raped and murdered(we've all seen those disgusting videos of the old Israeli men laughing about how they raped and slaughtered Palestinians back then) it's taken its place in the world through extreme violence but you expected that everyone would just go cool, I know you raped and murdered my mum, and ethnically cleansed all of my relatives but let's be friends

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:26

Workhardcryharder · 05/04/2025 15:45

Does there have to be a side? I’d be fine if it were just hamas being brutally bombed and murdered. It’s innocent civilians, (men, women, children) in obscene numbers. Is that ok because their government killed people? An eye for an eye right?

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I agree with your idea but that’s sadly not the reality on the ground. The terrorists hide behind women and children

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verysmellyjelly · 05/04/2025 18:27

Remainsofthehay · 05/04/2025 17:49

It really is. I wish there was a block feature here. There are some posters who again and again, bend themselves out of shape in support of Israel.

The mental gymnastics required to defend the slaughter of 15,000 babies and children makes me feel very unwell.

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The majority of Palestinians killed are male combatants.

JandamiHash · 05/04/2025 18:27

Letstheriveranswer · 05/04/2025 17:48

YANBU OP, but YABU to post it here as we all know what this thread will become.
There is no genocide except the one that certain radical Islamist factions are trying to carry out on the only Jewish state. Those factions have played a long game of media manipulation over very many years, tapping into existing antisemitis so now people believe them because 24% if the world population is Muslim and people are bending over backwards to not piss them off because we know they'll kick off in violent ways.
It's far easier to incessantly focus on every move Israel makes. Even if Israel had never put a single foot wrong (which is a standard no country has ever reached) it would be the same. The Arabs didn't want Israel resurrected in that spot (excuse the mixed religious metaphor) because Islam cannot conceive that they will ever cede land they consider they have taken, and they have chosen that tiny strip of land as the hill they want to die on. Plus the grand Mufti of Jerusalem was in league with Hitler.

Nobody ever talks about the 900,000 Jews living in Arab lands who were expelled and had to flee to Israel where they were absorbed. Or the Jews living in North Africa who were rounded up and sent to concentration camps in Europe.

Yes the war has been horrendous and the horrendousness of it has largely been created by Hamas. At any point they could have handed the hostages back, but they did not. They have hundreds of miles of underground shelters they could have let their population use, but they did not. They could have abandoned their expressed desire to have one Muslim state from river to sea, but they did not. They could have not invaded Israel and raped, tortured and murdered hundreds of civilians, but they did.

I used to have a lot of sympathy for the Palestinian cause as they were caught as pawns in a situation that benefitted only the wider middle east but I have no sympathy left now. Empathy for human suffering, yes. But no sympathy for their cause. They have kille, both literally and metaphorically, the left wing in Israel who wanted to find peace.

I have many issues with Netanyahu and members of his government. I don't know if there was an alternative way to prosecute the war because I am not a military expert. However high level western military experts have been, and investigated what is happening and concluded everything is above board in the way it's being carried out. The end result may be horrendous, all war is horrendous, and things happen in war that should never happen. But it is not genocide.

By the way Hamas have already significantly revised down their death figures announced last week, for those who like to closely follow and repeat the figures announced by a homicidal terrorist organisation.

I follow various news sourced both UK, Israeli and other overseas sources and the level to which the UK news is biased is truly shocking. The antisemitism I have seen in society is truly shocking. No, it is not antisemitic to criticise Israel in the same way as any other country. But how many times have you heard anyone say that any other country created as a result of decolonisation after WW2 - also along sometimes difficult partitions and with a lot of upheaval - shouldn't exist because people don't like something they have done? The excessive focus on Israel to the exclusion of all other countries and struggles in the world, and the leap to say it should not exist, (which is basically because the Arab countries said they didn't want it to exist and have consistently kicked off since about it existing) IS antisemitic.

I see it very clearly now and I also see - and this is now a widespread view amongst Jews - that there is no future for Jews in Europe as the demographics of Europe are changing. At least we do now have another country to go to, and the last 18 months have proven how important it is that Israel does exist.

Absolutely brilliant post!

AMuffinWalloper · 05/04/2025 18:28

Mylegishangingoff · 05/04/2025 18:24

Do you realise the strong anti-Jewish hatred in neighbouring countries? If you were surrounded by nations that wanted you dead for merely existing how would you feel?

Well I'm sure the rampant occupying they do of other nations doesnt help matters there. Let's not pretend Israel is sitting around merely existing while all of those other horrid countries hate on them. From the Nakba at its very creation where they raped and murdered(we've all seen those disgusting videos of the old Israeli men laughing about how they raped and slaughtered Palestinians back then) it's taken its place in the world through extreme violence but you expected that everyone would just go cool, I know you raped and murdered my mum, and ethnically cleansed all of my relatives but let's be friends

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Apart from the Occupied Territories, which nations are Israel rampantly occupying?

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:29

Mylegishangingoff · 05/04/2025 16:00

I guess people just don't like seeing a country being supported in breaking International law. Israel and all the countries supporting them are making the world less safe for us all by openly disregarding the laws that make us all safer. Now you can withold aid to innocent people, you can kill aid workers, you can rape and sexually assault women and girls and you will be supported in doing so. It used to be normal to be 'anti' these things, now people try and you shame you for it.

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Ask of those things are exactly what hamas did and why we are in this situation now

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:30

Mylegishangingoff · 05/04/2025 16:01

Do you think people should be demonised for shooting 15 aid workers in cold blood, destroying life saving equipment and then lying about it?

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I agree with that but in all honesty 15 people is not genocide

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verysmellyjelly · 05/04/2025 18:31

Nothing will get through to those who are set on defending Hamas, sadly.

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 05/04/2025 18:32

cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:00

Read your history books. Israel didn’t annexe anything

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Wow

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cindyhove · 05/04/2025 18:32

effie19 · 05/04/2025 16:01

This debate is so tired now, but why does being horrified by Israel's actions mean that someone is "aligning themselves" with Hamas? Why does thinking one is awful = the other one must be great? That seems to be the argument that Israel's supporters use to prove anti-semitism, it must be a Jewish thing because you love Gazans and they're not Jewish.

I think Hamas and Israelis making decisions to or actively killing civilians are awful, Israel are doing more of it.

Supporters of Israel in this war seem to label anyone pro-Palestine as either uneducated or anti-semitic which is a very lazy way of blocking out any opposing view.

Except israel did not deliberately target civilians like hammas do

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