Execution style killings of Palestinian doctors

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I’ve spoken about them in other threads. But I think they deserve their own thread as the outrage should be much bigger. Why is the world allowing this???

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/02/evidence-execution-style-killings-palestinian-workers-israeli-forces-doctor-says

Just because they present as aid workers it doesn’t mean they aren’t working with Hamas who have now turned down yet another peace proposal.

You should read this, how the IDF's initial and subsequent lies have all been caught out. Additionally not a single shred of evidence of the IDF's claims have been shown by them.

https://news.sky.com/story/two-hours-of-terror-sky-news-investigation-reveals-how-israels-deadly-attack-on-aid-workers-unfolded-13348776

So how did the medics get tied up and shot at close range?

Doubts about those claims in the Sky News link posted by Whatsinanamehey;

Dr Ahmed, the pathologist who carried out the post-mortem examinations, said his team were unable to determine whether the shots were fired from close range because the bodies arrived in an "advanced state of decomposition".

IDF claim: The victims did not have their hands or feet tied together

What we know: There is no evidence to suggest the victims were restrained before being killed

Representatives of PRCS and Civil Defence, as well as a doctor who saw the bodies, have said that at least one victim was found with their hands or legs tied together - claims that Israel has denied.

Photos shared with Sky News and other media outlets as evidence of this claim do show a black plastic tie around one victim's wrist. Attached to the tie is an empty white information card.

The tie appears only on one limb, however, and sources at Red Cross and Civil Defence told us that the white tag appears to be of the kind used by emergency workers in Gaza to identify bodies.

Dr Ahmed Dahair told Sky News he saw "no clear signs of physical restraints" during the post-mortem examinations.

"In one case, there were areas of discolouration around the wrists, which may suggest possible binding. Nevertheless, there was no definitive evidence of restraints in the remaining cases," he said.

If this is correct about the identification tag, then ITV News and others need to relook at their reports from earlier this month and ask if the original photographs they obtained had been deliberately cropped and blurred - as the new photo in the Sky News report clearly shows the identification/name tag. They must also doubt the doctor they interviewed (here);

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-04-02/itv-news-uncovers-new-claims-that-gaza-paramedics-shot-by-idf-were-executed

Because it is not a ‘peace proposal’.

Oh I see now its not just Palestinian = Hamas, it's also aid worker/medic = Hamas. 🙄

I guess that justifies the narrative that the IDF is the “world’s most moral army” 🙄.

Analysis of the audio of the shootings gives a pretty good idea of how far away the guns were when fired (not very far).

@Clavinova
“Doubts about those claims in the Sky News link posted by Whatsinanamehey;
Dr Ahmed, the pathologist who carried out the post-mortem examinations, said his team were unable to determine whether the shots were fired from close range because the bodies arrived in an "advanced state of decomposition".”

No, the forensic examinations do NOT cause any doubts about the Sky news audio analysis of the video which proved they were shot at close range and proved the eye witness survivor was telling the truth.

As quoted, because the bodies were decomposed it was impossible to tell whether they were shot at close range or not shot at close range. In other words, the forensic post-mortems are silent on the subject of close/far range for being shot. The absence of evidence on range, isn’t evidence they were not shot at close range.

What they did also find is that they were shot in the chest and head region which means they were deliberately shot to kill, not to disable.

@Clavinova
The physical restraints thing is also not disproven by Dr Ahmad in the post mortem. First, there was never any claim that ALL the victims had been restrained and then murdered.

You read the initial reports, watch the video, and then read the eyewitness testimony and it is clear most of the victims were shot and killed at close range during their initial arrival on scene. There is no need to restrain a dead person.

The claims were that a few survivors of the initial hail of bullets were dragged out, restrained, beaten and then shot. Only one survived all of this, and he was restrained and beaten.

You would only see clear definitive forensic evidence of restraints if

• the victim had been restrained for many hours prior to death or
• the victim was killed and buried with the limbs still restrained.

If a person is handcuffed with zip ties for less than an hour before death and those restraints removed shortly before or after death and tossed on the ground, that’s all the evidence you will find. Bodies with restraints mixed up in the mass grave.. There isn’t going to be any definitive forensic evidence on bodies that are in an “advanced state of decomposition” that they were restrained for less than an hour prior to death.

The big mistake here is the very poor quality of the IDF cover up. Amateur hour, but then again Israel doesn't really care. Its a democracy, they know what they are doing both in Gaza and the West Bank. That's what they majority of the population wants their army to do.

LoremIpsumCici
The physical restraints thing is also not disproven by Dr Ahmad in the post mortem.

But how do you explain that the retrieval team and one doctor claim to have seen or photographed restraints on at least one of the victims - whereas the doctor who carried out the post-mortem examination has not identified any such restraints?

ITV link - early April;
The retrieval team claim that later, in hospital, they took these photographs which appear to show bindings on a victim’s wrist.
We have also interviewed Dr Ahmed al-Farra, a doctor who examined three of the bodies at the Nasser Hospital in Gaza.
"They were tightened, both hands, and we could see the kind of tight that it was," he told us. "Tightly, tightly, their hands.

Sky News link;
Dr Ahmed Dahair told Sky News he saw "no clear signs of physical restraints" during the post-mortem examinations.

Did you compare the photographs in the two links? I think I can see what they've done: In the ITV link, the name tag has been pushed along the binding so that it has been photographed upside down - with only the blank muddy side showing - so it's hardly noticeable in the photograph. Whereas in the Sky link, the name tag has been photographed the right side up.

https://www.thejournal.ie/israeli-prob-into-killings-of-palestinian-medics-finds-failures-6683054-Apr2025/

"Professional Failures".

There's an understatement. No evidence it's seems provided that the medics were Hamas members.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/20/israeli-military-admits-professional-failures-over-gaza-paramedic-killings

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c24q6201d8yo

It is argued here is is not a war crime to bomb hospitals as they are Hamas centres . However once again we have no evidence from the IDF that their targets were actually Hamas, therefore it is a plausible conclusion that actually they are simply bombing hospitals to target civilians which is a war crime.
Imagine if the videos had not surfaced.

1 person fired and 1 person given a disciplinary for the killings of 15 terrified aid workers, burying their bodies in a mass grave then lying through their teeth. Why is the other man still in detention? Why has no evidence been given of Hamas affiliation, you would think given the aforementioned lying through their teeth they would be keen to show this? Why did they not mention the destruction and burial of life saving medical equipment?

None of this is surprising, say it was a 'mistake' and people will nod their heads and agree and talk about how great the IDF are for 'investigating' themselves after being caught lying on the world stage because they don't give a fuck about Palestinians anyway.

And the only reason it's even been investigated @Mylegishangingoff is because of the video footage. I don't know why they bothered though it's not like any of their cheerleaders in world governments actually give a shit.

If it was so easy to know they were Hamas on a dark night before they shot them why can't they provide the obvious evidence.

@Scirocco Thanks for article links. @Martymcfly24 Agreed. If it was Hamas, the deputy commander would not have been so easily dismissed. I do think the videos provided ample evidence hence why the Israeli military weren’t harping on about Hamas this time unless I probably missed it. But it’s always the same wording even when WCK was targeted. It’s always some sort of mistake or operational misunderstanding etc. which is surprising coming from “the world’s most moral army”.

This is the fight with paramedics where israel have already given evidence over half the “paramedics” were Hamas terrorists.

israel isn’t “executing” anyone. The idea that Israeli troops are going round executing innocent paramedics is ridiculous. No sane person believes he’s nonsense like this.

World central kitchen do you mean? The aid organization who had over 10% of their staff who were Hamas members?

Please back up what you're saying with facts.

www.sbs.com.au/news/article/israel-blames-professional-failures-for-the-killing-of-15-emergency-responders-in-gaza/zfanlafwv

@User46576 Are you seriously saying that the innocent aid workers were Hamas members? It says in this Guardian article: Israeli defence sources told Haaretz that the aid workers’ vehicles had been hit three times by missiles fired from a drone because of erroneous suspicions that a terrorist was travelling with the convoy.

'The fight with paramedics' in what world can what happened be described as a 'fight'? . One of the aid workers clearly knew that this would be the narrative so he filmed their deaths, exactly so this sort of nonsense wouldn't be perpetuated this time.

Israel claim 6 were members of Hamas, most of us who can do math know that isnt over half of 15 and as is repeatedly stated in the articles posted they have provided no evidence of this.

You clearly care so little about the deaths of these aid workers that you haven't even bothered your hole to read anything about it. Why bother commenting at all?

Do you have evidence of what you've alleged?

If Israel has provided evidence that over half the paramedics were terrorists, I think a lot of people would be keen to see that evidence, so it would be helpful to share it if you have seen it yourself.

Quite a few fairly reputable media sources have reported on this incident, and been pretty clear in their conclusions about the circumstances in which these men were killed. This has included audio and visual recordings, analysis of distances at which gunshots were fired, analysis of the remaining vehicles, post-mortem assessment of injuries. The IDF itself has given statements as per the articles shared above. If you have evidence of a different set of circumstances, it would be helpful to share that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp317zx3r93o